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Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:25:03 - [1] - Quote Dear CCP, I'd like for you to acknowledge that the RL cost of PLEX is having a negative effect on the player numbers. Lots of people are leaving and are finding it difficult to play the game because of limited time and RL finance. The goal of this petition is to request the revision of the RL cost of PLEX so that it is closer to the monthly sub cost. A lower RL PLEX cost may prompt the PLEX for isk sellers to lower their prices which will help PLEX users stay in the game. If the PLEX sellers have no customers we could see the plex sellers also leave the game. Please accept these signatures that will show the depth of support on this matter. Yours Faithfully, N.B. This is a serious thread which is intended to show the opinions of the players on this very important matter. _____________________________________________________________________________ Please sign this thread, I believe it is crucial to keeping Eve alive. Please try to keep this thread free of trolling because it is important, let us ensure that this thread stays open. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 874	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:39:41 - [2] - Quote So you're petitioning CCP to actually nerf their income? Yeah that sounds good. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:42:14 - [3] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: So you're petitioning CCP to actually nerf their income? Yeah that sounds good. Hi, I'll report this and get it deleted. I'm only interested in signatures here. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 248	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:43:18 - [4] - Quote Remove plex with the game? Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Jamyl Sarum "Good and evil" Jamyl Sarum in "EVE: Templar One" Jamyl the Great
Luckytania Bullets of Justice 38	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:45:09 - [5] - Quote My preference would be for the per PLEX price to be double the real money cost of a one month subscription.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9221	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:50:44 - [6] - Quote Lowering the price of PLEX will either be the best thing that has happened to the game...or the worst. Only one way to find out. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13964	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:54:16 - [7] - Quote Aaron wrote: Lots of people are leaving and are finding it difficult to play the game because of limited time and RL finance. Source? I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 878	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:57:00 - [8] - Quote Aaron wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: So you're petitioning CCP to actually nerf their income? Yeah that sounds good. Hi, I'll report this and get it deleted. I'm only interested in signatures here. So you want this thread to be an echo chamber wherein only those who agree with you will have their posts visible and all those who voice otherwise will be reported by you to have their posts deleted? You should try Reddit then because there is a built-in feature for that. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Loki Yamaguchi Level 42 Industries 2	Posted - 2015.09.16 22:59:37 - [9] - Quote My guess is that RL PLEX prices should counter ingame(IG) prices with a fixed minimum. ie as the price UG rises as it is now, the RL price falls and encourages more people to buy PLEX with $-ÑGé¼. As the IG price falls due to the oversupply of PLEX then the RL price rises again. Getting the balance right is key but as long it was done openly then tweaks would not be an issue as long as the multipliers were nudged in small increments. Just like all EVE commodities, prices rise and fall...RL PLEX should follow that truism too... SHORT ANSWER: No to a fixed price drop
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26084	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:10:32 - [10] - Quote Aaron wrote: Dear CCP, I'd like for you to acknowledge that the RL cost of PLEX is having a negative effect on the player numbers. Why would they? Also, nah. Not signed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 1019	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:10:58 - [11] - Quote In before the lock Another plex is too high thread So your saying that despite the team of economist that ccp has telling them to stay out the way they should ignore them and change plex prices to suit your needs? Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:37:11 - [12] - Quote Dradis Aulmais wrote: In before the lock Another plex is too high thread So your saying that despite the team of economist that ccp has telling them to stay out the way they should ignore them and change plex prices to suit your needs? The team of economists should be sacked imo. A more socialist attitude needs to be applied. What are we saying here? **** the poor people? Yes, PLEX prices should be changed to suit my needs. My need is for Eve to remain online for a very long time. If the PLEX customer base vanishes then a few thousand people will leave. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Raiz Nhell Demon-War-Lords SpaceMonkey's Alliance 425	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:40:09 - [13] - Quote Aaron wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: So you're petitioning CCP to actually nerf their income? Yeah that sounds good. Hi, I'll report this and get it deleted. I'm only interested in signatures here. Report this one to... Your idea is bad, PLEX cost what they cost; In game, set by a market of players for isk; Out of game, set by CCP for RL cash`. No amount of signatures will change that. Also threatening reports and deletions for those that disagree with you is pretty disgraceful. There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40152	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:46:22 - [14] - Quote Aaron, If the problem is the people can't afford the price of PLEX and you want CCP to reduce the PLEX price to be closer to monthly subscription price why not just suggest players subscribe instead of use PLEX? From recent figures supplied by CCP Quant, we know that almost 2/3 of the player base have just 1 account. So I assume you aren't talking about alt account here and believe many people pay their main account with PLEX. If its finances that are a problem, then I can understand why. It makes no sense to use PLEX paid for with cash, to stay active on a main account. People should subscribe and they'll instantly have the lower price you are petitioning for. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:46:40 - [15] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: Aaron wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: So you're petitioning CCP to actually nerf their income? Yeah that sounds good. Hi, I'll report this and get it deleted. I'm only interested in signatures here. Report this one to... Your idea is bad, PLEX cost what they cost; In game, set by a market of players for isk; Out of game, set by CCP for RL cash`. No amount of signatures will change that. Also threatening reports and deletions for those that disagree with you is pretty disgraceful. I can afford my sub. If **** poor people is the attitude of the likes of you and CCP then kiss good bye to more customers/players, this is the facts. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13966	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:49:10 - [16] - Quote Aaron wrote: A more socialist attitude needs to be applied. Yes, PLEX prices should be changed to suit my needs. Entitlement. Socialist attitude only works until it runs out of everyone else's money. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 1020	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:52:14 - [17] - Quote The argument of a weak mind. If we disagree you must be racist/bigit/against poor people. Hmm I am classified as poor by the government. I seem to be able to manage my money well enough to pay all my cost of living and extras like Internet and Eve. And your argument doesn't hold water. Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Loki Yamaguchi Level 42 Industries 2	Posted - 2015.09.16 23:54:54 - [18] - Quote Aaron wrote: I can afford my sub. If **** poor people is the attitude of the likes of you and CCP then kiss good bye to more customers/players, this is the facts. If poor people's ability to play EVE is determined by a $1-2 price change then their financial position is such that they shouldn't be playing EVE in the first place... Webvan's "entitlement" comment is bang-on...
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 157	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:01:30 - [19] - Quote Aaron wrote: Dear CCP, I'd like for you to acknowledge that the RL cost of PLEX is having a negative effect on the player numbers. Lots of people are leaving and are finding it difficult to play the game because of limited time and RL finance. The goal of this petition is to request the revision of the RL cost of PLEX so that it is closer to the monthly sub cost. A lower RL PLEX cost may prompt the PLEX for isk sellers to lower their prices which will help PLEX users stay in the game. If the PLEX sellers have no customers we could see the plex sellers also leave the game. Please accept these signatures that will show the depth of support on this matter. Yours Faithfully, N.B. This is a serious thread which is intended to show the opinions of the players on this very important matter. _____________________________________________________________________________ Please sign this thread, I believe it is crucial to keeping Eve alive. Please try to keep this thread free of trolling because it is important, let us ensure that this thread stays open. Sorry Dude this is not going to happen and CCP will not do anything about it and no I will not sign a petition regarding this matter. IBTL You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 1020	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:04:09 - [20] - Quote I just read the part where you wanted to keep the post clear of trolling and I laugh because this is GD and trolling Is what we do Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:10:55 - [21] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Aaron wrote: Dear CCP, I'd like for you to acknowledge that the RL cost of PLEX is having a negative effect on the player numbers. Lots of people are leaving and are finding it difficult to play the game because of limited time and RL finance. The goal of this petition is to request the revision of the RL cost of PLEX so that it is closer to the monthly sub cost. A lower RL PLEX cost may prompt the PLEX for isk sellers to lower their prices which will help PLEX users stay in the game. If the PLEX sellers have no customers we could see the plex sellers also leave the game. Please accept these signatures that will show the depth of support on this matter. Yours Faithfully, N.B. This is a serious thread which is intended to show the opinions of the players on this very important matter. _____________________________________________________________________________ Please sign this thread, I believe it is crucial to keeping Eve alive. Please try to keep this thread free of trolling because it is important, let us ensure that this thread stays open. Sorry Dude this is not going to happen and CCP will not do anything about it and no I will not sign a petition regarding this matter. IBTL Cool, if this is your attitude then you must accept failing numbers without crying about it. Open your eyes brother, can't you see the plex users crying on the forum? A petition thread is simply signed or not signed. Not signing means you disapprove and that you don't need to comment. Keep your short sighted opinions to yourself ! Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Paranoid Loyd 6884	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:13:29 - [22] - Quote Aaron wrote: keep your short sighted opinions to yourself ! Heh, pot meet kettle. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40154	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:16:45 - [23] - Quote Aaron wrote: 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Aaron wrote: Dear CCP, I'd like for you to acknowledge that the RL cost of PLEX is having a negative effect on the player numbers. Lots of people are leaving and are finding it difficult to play the game because of limited time and RL finance. The goal of this petition is to request the revision of the RL cost of PLEX so that it is closer to the monthly sub cost. A lower RL PLEX cost may prompt the PLEX for isk sellers to lower their prices which will help PLEX users stay in the game. If the PLEX sellers have no customers we could see the plex sellers also leave the game. Please accept these signatures that will show the depth of support on this matter. Yours Faithfully, N.B. This is a serious thread which is intended to show the opinions of the players on this very important matter. _____________________________________________________________________________ Please sign this thread, I believe it is crucial to keeping Eve alive. Please try to keep this thread free of trolling because it is important, let us ensure that this thread stays open. Sorry Dude this is not going to happen and CCP will not do anything about it and no I will not sign a petition regarding this matter. IBTL Cool, if this is your attitude then you must accept failing numbers without crying about it. Open your eyes brother, can't you see the plex users crying on the forum? A petition thread is simply signed or not signed. Not signing means you disapprove and that you don't need to comment. Keep your short sighted opinions to yourself ! But if it is really the in game PLEX users that you are concerned for, then that has nothing to do with the RL cost of PLEX. To subscribe an account for a hobby is normal discretionary spending we take into account when working out our finances. To purchase PLEX on top of that to sell for ISK in game is not something CCP needs to subsidise. People who can afford that don't need to worry about a couple of dollars in savings. So what you really are concerned about is the in game price of PLEX and believe that the shortage of supply is because of RL economic reasons. That doesn't make much sense. If you want to reduce the in game price that's one thing. But suggesting that the out of game price should be lowered to make discretionary spending easier is just asking for straight charity from CCP for the players that can already afford it anyway. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Scotchmo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:20:32 - [24] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Aaron wrote: 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Sorry Dude this is not going to happen and CCP will not do anything about it and no I will not sign a petition regarding this matter. IBTL Cool, if this is your attitude then you must accept failing numbers without crying about it. Open your eyes brother, can't you see the plex users crying on the forum? A petition thread is simply signed or not signed. Not signing means you disapprove and that you don't need to comment. Keep your short sighted opinions to yourself ! But if it is really the in game PLEX users that you are concerned for, then that has nothing to do with the RL cost of PLEX. To subscribe an account for a hobby is normal discretionary spending we take into account when working out our finances. To purchase PLEX on top of that to sell for ISK in game is not something CCP needs to subsidise. People who can afford that don't need to worry about a couple of dollars in savings. So what you really are concerned about is the in game price of PLEX and believe that the shortage of supply is because of RL economic reasons. That doesn't make much sense. If you want to reduce the in game price that's one thing. But suggesting that the out of game price should be lowered to make discretionary spending easier is just asking for straight charity from CCP for the players that can already afford it anyway. IS there enough that can afford it already that CCP is ok with them being the only group that buys plex? I would think they want to constantly grow instead of milk a selection of their population till the end.
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:26:12 - [25] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: keep your short sighted opinions to yourself ! Heh, pot meet kettle. My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty, if all the parties involved in PLEX reach a consensus we will see numbers stabilize and good prospects for the Eve economy. Some of the plex users are miners who pay for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts, if all of them were to suddenly stop using most of their accounts then the supply of minerals will be effected resulting in higher mineral prices. Industry will be affected and the price of everything will rise. This game seems to be catering for the capitalists among us, if it continues this way then CCP will lose more of their income as more people leave. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Ultim8Evil Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans 252	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:30:06 - [26] - Quote Even if you pay monthly, which is the most expensive way of doing it, Eve costs the same as a music CD, the price of two fancy coffees in Starbucks, a meal for two at McDonald's. F*** all. I guarantee the same people QQing on here about the cost of space pixels have/do at least one of the following: gym membership -ú400+ iPhone/Android Phone -ú100+ Beats headphones -ú800+ computer drink alcohol smoke cigarettes/weed have the opportunity to work overtime but turn it down eat out more than once a month own a "modified" car All these things cost money, but you choose to spend it there, rather than on Eve. If you really enjoy Eve so much that you feel the need to sperg here about paying for it, get your credit card out, pay for your subscription, join the "PLEX PRICE IS IRRELEVANT TO ME" master race, and laugh at stupid posts like this. Pr0tip, if you're half decent at managing your income, you can have/do all the things on that list and still play Eve Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13967	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:32:07 - [27] - Quote Aaron wrote: Some of the plex users are miners who pay for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts, if all of them were to suddenly stop using most of their accounts then the supply of minerals will be effected resulting in higher mineral prices. So... they would be making more ISK for their labor? OH THE HORROR!!! promises promises It's almost as if the OP is inadvertently attempting to turn this thread into a CODE. recruitment drive. Less miners = win profits etc. Might even make manufacturing viable again. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 605	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:32:20 - [28] - Quote Aaron wrote: Some of the plex users are miners who pay for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts, if all of them were to suddenly stop using most of their accounts then the supply of minerals will be effected resulting in higher mineral prices. By this logic, if the price of minerals were to rise, then PLEX would once again be in the reach of industrious miners. I.E. its a cycle and merely being patient will result in a return to the status quo. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:35:18 - [29] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Aaron wrote: 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Sorry Dude this is not going to happen and CCP will not do anything about it and no I will not sign a petition regarding this matter. IBTL Cool, if this is your attitude then you must accept failing numbers without crying about it. Open your eyes brother, can't you see the plex users crying on the forum? A petition thread is simply signed or not signed. Not signing means you disapprove and that you don't need to comment. Keep your short sighted opinions to yourself ! People who can afford that don't need to worry about a couple of dollars in savings. Again, what about the people who can't afford a couple dollars in savings? What's the answer? Is is **** you, you're poor? The in game price of a PLEX is affected by the RL cost of it. If plex were -ú9.99 then perhaps the in game cost of a plex could be 700m, all parties benefit in this example. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9221	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:36:44 - [30] - Quote Ultim8Evil wrote: Eve costs the same as a music CD, I seem to vaguely remember those. Try to come up with a more current example next time. Might as well compare it to an LP for all anyone is going to know what you are talking about. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40157	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:38:10 - [31] - Quote Scotchmo wrote: IS there enough that can afford it already that CCP is ok with them being the only group that buys plex? I would think they want to constantly grow instead of milk a selection of their population till the end. Who's being milked when they buy PLEX for cash and how is dropping the price by a couple of dollars suddenly going to open up a new market of players? The same people who an afford it now will be able to afford it then and people who now can't afford to purchase PLEX with cash aren't going to be able to afford it just because it's $2-3 cheaper. That's not much of a saving if discretionary spending is that tight for someone. It seems Aaron's real concern is that in game demand for PLEX is higher than current market supply which is causing inflation. He wants to see in game supply increased to match or exceed demand and drive prices in game down again so that those who PLEX their account are able to do so for less in game effort expended. If it's more supply that is needed, it would seem lowering the price of a single PLEX wouldn't be that significant. Better to give a bigger discount for purchasing the multiple PLEX packs so that when someone purchases PLEX the discount encourages them to purchase more than they otherwise would. That will create more supply to market as people sell the extra PLEX they buy compulsively because it looks like a good deal. But lowering the price of PLEX by a couple of dollars won't necessarily create increased buying. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:38:35 - [32] - Quote Ultim8Evil wrote: Even if you pay monthly, which is the most expensive way of doing it, Eve costs the same as a music CD, the price of two fancy coffees in Starbucks, a meal for two at McDonald's. F*** all. I guarantee the same people QQing on here about the cost of space pixels have/do at least one of the following: gym membership -ú400+ iPhone/Android Phone -ú100+ Beats headphones -ú800+ computer drink alcohol smoke cigarettes/weed have the opportunity to work overtime but turn it down eat out more than once a month own a "modified" car All these things cost money, but you choose to spend it there, rather than on Eve. If you really enjoy Eve so much that you feel the need to sperg here about paying for it, get your credit card out, pay for your subscription, join the "PLEX PRICE IS IRRELEVANT TO ME" master race, and laugh at stupid posts like this. Pr0tip, if you're half decent at managing your income, you can have/do all the things on that list and still play Eve A few more thousand people leaving is relevant to EVERYONE. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Johan Civire Flux Technologies Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor 970	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:39:16 - [33] - Quote O man the popcorn taste good here. Damn love this nonsense OP. Best one in a while.
Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 607	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:41:51 - [34] - Quote Aaron wrote: Again, what about the people who can't afford a couple dollars in savings? What's the answer? Is is **** you, you're poor? It's an entertainment product? If it was food, medicine, clothes, etc., then by most philosophical standards you have a right to them. Imagine going to the bar and complaining the drinks are too expensive. Imagine going to the movie theatre or concert, or sportball game, and demanding they lower the ticket price. As entertainment products or services go, it's among the absolute cheapest per hour. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Ultim8Evil Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans 253	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:43:53 - [35] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Ultim8Evil wrote: Eve costs the same as a music CD, I seem to vaguely remember those. Try to come up with a more current example next time. Might as well compare it to an LP for all anyone is going to know what you are talking about. Mr Epeen It was a semi-deliberate reference to see if anyone took the bait. As I torrent all my music, I don't actually know how much it costs to download an album, hence me not using that as an example. Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic 1660	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:45:57 - [36] - Quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40159	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:48:39 - [37] - Quote Aaron wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: People who can afford that don't need to worry about a couple of dollars in savings. Again, what about the people who can't afford a couple dollars in savings? What's the answer? Is is **** you, you're poor? The in game price of a PLEX is affected by the RL cost of it. If plex were -ú9.99 then perhaps the in game cost of a plex could be 700m, all parties benefit in this example. No, my answer them is the same as the question I asked in my first reply in this thread. If you are worried about people not being able to afford PLEX, why not recommend those people subscribe? That will be even cheaper for them than this petition. However, if someone is subscribed and they want to buy PLEX for cash on top of that to sell for ISK in game so that someone else can play based on PLEXing their account (that seems to be what you are concerned for), then the group that purchase PLEX for cash clearly have the discretionary budget to do so. A couple of dollars in savings isn't going to suddenly change the number of people that can afford extra again on top. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Lykouleon Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 1631	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:49:54 - [38] - Quote Aaron wrote: A lower RL PLEX cost may prompt the PLEX for isk sellers to lower their prices which will help PLEX users stay in the game. AAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. No. That's not how that works. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:50:04 - [39] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: Aaron wrote: Again, what about the people who can't afford a couple dollars in savings? What's the answer? Is is **** you, you're poor? It's an entertainment product? If it was food, medicine, clothes, etc., then by most philosophical standards you have a right to them. Imagine going to the bar and complaining the drinks are too expensive. Imagine going to the movie theatre or concert, or sportball game, and demanding they lower the ticket price. As entertainment products or services go, it's among the absolute cheapest per hour. How old are you? If a RL recession hits then everything you mention is put on the back burner. We stop going out to eat, we stop drinking alcohol, we generally stop doing and buying nice things. Lots of jobs will get lost in retail and leisure businesses due to the sales dropping. Reducing the plex price will ensure those of us that have to watch our pennies can still play. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Ultim8Evil Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans 253	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:52:00 - [40] - Quote Aaron wrote: Ultim8Evil wrote: Even if you pay monthly, which is the most expensive way of doing it, Eve costs the same as a music CD, the price of two fancy coffees in Starbucks, a meal for two at McDonald's. F*** all. I guarantee the same people QQing on here about the cost of space pixels have/do at least one of the following: gym membership -ú400+ iPhone/Android Phone -ú100+ Beats headphones -ú800+ computer drink alcohol smoke cigarettes/weed have the opportunity to work overtime but turn it down eat out more than once a month own a "modified" car All these things cost money, but you choose to spend it there, rather than on Eve. If you really enjoy Eve so much that you feel the need to sperg here about paying for it, get your credit card out, pay for your subscription, join the "PLEX PRICE IS IRRELEVANT TO ME" master race, and laugh at stupid posts like this. Pr0tip, if you're half decent at managing your income, you can have/do all the things on that list and still play Eve A few more thousand people leaving is relevant to EVERYONE. "People" aren't leaving, accounts are. The ISBoxer ban and the price of PLEX is forcing people to reduce the number of accounts they use. In the "good old days" of 60k PCU, how many of them were 20 account multiboxing miners? Hundreds. Thousands. Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
Loki Yamaguchi Level 42 Industries 6	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:53:55 - [41] - Quote Aaron wrote: Reducing the plex price will ensure those of us that have to watch our pennies can still play. Subs are cheaper...moot...
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40160	Posted - 2015.09.17 00:58:25 - [42] - Quote Ultim8Evil wrote: "People" aren't leaving, accounts are. The ISBoxer ban and the price of PLEX is forcing people to reduce the number of accounts they use. In the "good old days" of 60k PCU, how many of them were 20 account multiboxing miners? Hundreds. Thousands. Nearly 2/3 of players (64% +/-) have just 1 account. 86% of players have 2 or fewer accounts. It's been consistent like that for the last decade. The use of multiple accounts isn't as widespread in the player base as we often assume. It's only a relatively small percentage of us in the player base that have multiple accounts. We are probably the same people that post regularly in the forum, attend Fanfest, post on Reddit, etc. and are otherwise heavily invested in the game. So it probably seems to us that everyone has multiple accounts, because the group of people that we all converse with regularly have multiple accounts. But there's a larger group of people who just play the game with one account. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Ultim8Evil Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans 253	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:02:56 - [43] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Ultim8Evil wrote: "People" aren't leaving, accounts are. The ISBoxer ban and the price of PLEX is forcing people to reduce the number of accounts they use. In the "good old days" of 60k PCU, how many of them were 20 account multiboxing miners? Hundreds. Thousands. Nearly 2/3 of players (64% +/-) have just 1 account. 86% of players have 2 or fewer accounts. It's been consistent like that for the last decade. The use of multiple accounts isn't as widespread in the player base as we often assume. It's only a relatively small percentage of us in the player base that have multiple accounts. We are probably the same people that post regularly in the forum, attend Fanfest, post on Reddit, etc. and are otherwise heavily invested in the game. So it probably seems to us that everyone has multiple accounts, because the group of people that we all converse with regularly have multiple accounts. But there's a larger group of people who just play the game with one account. So when the (random percentage ahead) 1% who had 10-20+ accounts each start cutting back, which has the biggest effect on the PCU? Hint: It's not the 64% with one account Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 607	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:06:13 - [44] - Quote Aaron wrote: How old are you? Old enough to know not everything can be explained by one simple cause. Is player count low because PLEX is high as you assert, or is PLEX high because player count is low? Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1510	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:06:29 - [45] - Quote There was a 10% PLEX sale last week and PLEX in game still went up in price. Just saying.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40161	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:09:46 - [46] - Quote Ultim8Evil wrote: So when the (random percentage ahead) 1% who had 10-20+ accounts each start cutting back, which has the biggest effect on the PCU? Hint: It's not the 64% with one account. Someone with one account will either pay the subscription with RL cash, or grind that little bit harder to make 1.2 bill in 30 days. It's the 10-20+ account players who need to find half a Titan of ISK per month to keep their personal armada going. 30% drop in players online this year alone can't be accounted for with the reduction in accounts of just a few players. If you really believe people haven't left the game and it's only consolidation of accounts by <1% of players, then I'd like to see calculations in detail for that. e. I don't personally see the drop in players online as important. I think it's a lot to do with longer skills queues, sov issues, etc. but those people are all still subscribed and playing skill queue online. I'm just stirring with the above since it's a common line of argument by people. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25055	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:16:37 - [47] - Quote Aaron wrote: Dear CCP, I'd like for you to acknowledge that the RL cost of PLEX is having a negative effect on the player numbers. Lots of people are leaving and are finding it difficult to play the game because of limited time and RL finance. The goal of this petition is to request the revision of the RL cost of PLEX so that it is closer to the monthly sub cost. A lower RL PLEX cost may prompt the PLEX for isk sellers to lower their prices which will help PLEX users stay in the game. If the PLEX sellers have no customers we could see the plex sellers also leave the game. Please accept these signatures that will show the depth of support on this matter. Yours Faithfully, N.B. This is a serious thread which is intended to show the opinions of the players on this very important matter. _____________________________________________________________________________ Please sign this thread, I believe it is crucial to keeping Eve alive. Please try to keep this thread free of trolling because it is important, let us ensure that this thread stays open. Nope.Supply and demand is a natural market phenomenon, the fact that Eve's market is for all intents and purposes player driven, and the economy a form of hyper capitialism makes the idea of an artificial attempt at manipulation in this manner rather naive. It's akin to the idea of trickle down economics in the scope of its naivety. Cheaper RL cost won't make Plex sellers drop their prices, as long as people are willing to pay current prices they'll simply get a bigger RL cash to isk conversion; to some the current cost of Plex is a minor cost when compared with their income. Plex is a luxury item, especially with its increased utility, as such you should be prepared to pay luxury prices for it both in RL and ingame. CCP are unlikely to interfere, the last time I heard CCP Dr Eggnog talk about it he was shocked that the price of Plex hadn't hit 2 billion; I'll take his opinion over yours any day, Eve's economy is/was his field of expertise. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Ima GoodGirl Black Ballers 98	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:18:53 - [48] - Quote Aaron wrote: Dear CCP, I'd like for you to acknowledge that the RL cost of PLEX is having a negative effect on the player numbers. Lots of people are leaving and are finding it difficult to play the game because of limited time and RL finance. The goal of this petition is to request the revision of the RL cost of PLEX so that it is closer to the monthly sub cost. A lower RL PLEX cost may prompt the PLEX for isk sellers to lower their prices which will help PLEX users stay in the game. If the PLEX sellers have no customers we could see the plex sellers also leave the game. Please accept these signatures that will show the depth of support on this matter. Yours Faithfully, N.B. This is a serious thread which is intended to show the opinions of the players on this very important matter. _____________________________________________________________________________ Please sign this thread, I believe it is crucial to keeping Eve alive. Please try to keep this thread free of trolling because it is important, let us ensure that this thread stays open. This is space communism man!! The government (CCP) should give a break to the wealthy (PLEX buyers) so they can help support the poor (PLEX users). Flow of wealth from the state to the poors. No thanks. We got rid of that stuff.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:27:52 - [49] - Quote Aaron wrote: N.B. This is a serious thread which is intended to show the opinions of the players on this very important matter. Doesn't sound like a serious thread to me, just another whine thread about the price of PLEX. It's a player run market so the price is set by supply and demand.
Scotchmo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:31:01 - [50] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Scotchmo wrote: IS there enough that can afford it already that CCP is ok with them being the only group that buys plex? I would think they want to constantly grow instead of milk a selection of their population till the end. Who's being milked when they buy PLEX for cash and how is dropping the price by a couple of dollars suddenly going to open up a new market of players? The same people who an afford it now will be able to afford it then and people who now can't afford to purchase PLEX with cash aren't going to be able to afford it just because it's $2-3 cheaper. That's not much of a saving if discretionary spending is that tight for someone. It seems Aaron's real concern is that in game demand for PLEX is higher than current market supply which is causing inflation. He wants to see in game supply increased to match or exceed demand and drive prices in game down again so that those who PLEX their account are able to do so for less in game effort expended. If it's more supply that is needed, it would seem lowering the price of a single PLEX wouldn't be that significant. Better to give a bigger discount for purchasing the multiple PLEX packs so that when someone purchases PLEX the discount encourages them to purchase more than they otherwise would. That will create more supply to market as people sell the extra PLEX they buy compulsively because it looks like a good deal. But lowering the price of PLEX by a couple of dollars won't necessarily create increased buying. Do you think PVP activity (and dangerous PVE) would increase or decrease with lower plex prices? I do not know enough to say one way or the other.
Paranoid Loyd 6887	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:54:46 - [51] - Quote Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40164	Posted - 2015.09.17 01:59:31 - [52] - Quote Scotchmo wrote: Do you think PVP activity (and dangerous PVE) would increase or decrease with lower plex prices? I do not know enough to say one way or the other. In game or out of game? Aaron's proposal is to drop the RL price of PLEX by a couple of dollars so that supply to the market can be increased and people can PLEX their account and play easier. Since people trying to PLEX their account, need ISK to afford the PLEX, the amount of anything dangerous isn't likely to increase, since any loss affects their ability to meet the ISK need. I don't think Aaron's proposal will make any difference at all to the amount of PLEX purchased, or who purchases it. I don't believe that will increase supply on the market and won't create any deflationary pressure. It certainly won't increase the levels of risk people take. Players habits don't seem to have changed in terms of pvp or pve as a result of the increase in PLEX price, so why would it change if the price went down again? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:16:56 - [53] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. Decreasing numbers is not "just fine" imo. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40165	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:24:45 - [54] - Quote Aaron wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. Decreasing numbers is not "just fine" imo. What we don't know though Aaron is what those decreasing numbers are, other than decreasing numbers of people logging in. A large number of people could still be subbed, but not login as often currently, for a whole host of reasons. There was someone a while back that made the observation that if things were so grim, don't you think CCP would be doing something drastic to address it? People want security in their job no matter who they are. CCP just the same and I am sure the executive management and investors want security for the company too. So if things are so bad, they would be doing things with a short term view, in address it immediately. Yet still CCPs vision appears to be much longer term and they are progressing on the development plan at the pace outlined by CCP Seagull at Fanfest 2014, when we know at that time there were 480,000 odd active accounts (from the number of names on the monument). In addition, as much as I dislike a lot of what Ripard says, he makes a good point in a current Reddit thread about a mass dump of PLEX onto the market: http://puu.sh/kdZDL/b4b0a0836d.png Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Cancel Align NOW Maas Industries 589	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:25:31 - [55] - Quote Aaron wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. Decreasing numbers is not "just fine" imo. You need to read that again Aaron.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13969	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:28:23 - [56] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Ultim8Evil wrote: So when the (random percentage ahead) 1% who had 10-20+ accounts each start cutting back, which has the biggest effect on the PCU? Hint: It's not the 64% with one account. Someone with one account will either pay the subscription with RL cash, or grind that little bit harder to make 1.2 bill in 30 days. It's the 10-20+ account players who need to find half a Titan of ISK per month to keep their personal armada going. 30% drop in players online this year alone can't be accounted for with the reduction in accounts of just a few players. If you really believe people haven't left the game and it's only consolidation of accounts by <1% of players, then I'd like to see calculations in detail for that. e. I don't personally see the drop in players online as important. I think it's a lot to do with longer skills queues, sov issues, etc. but those people are all still subscribed and playing skill queue online. I'm just stirring with the above since it's a common line of argument by people. Prob is, we only know PCU, not actual account numbers, and that's what matters. The OP knows this, he couldn't shut me up by providing a source as I requested. May seem unfair, nothing to source, but you know what?!? I effect the PCU as well, lower time playing this past year compared to last year. But I still play, even though I don't push up the PCU by 1 each and every day, but enough. But then I don't need to be in x amount of hours, because I just pay cash for a sub, as I've always done. What if most people started just paying the sub cost? Likely lower PCU as people would not be compelled to grind massive hours for ISK to get PLEX. Oh gosh the EVE is DyingGäó crowd would try to eat this forum alive trying to convince us everyone left hehe. I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:34:15 - [57] - Quote Webvan wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Ultim8Evil wrote: So when the (random percentage ahead) 1% who had 10-20+ accounts each start cutting back, which has the biggest effect on the PCU? Hint: It's not the 64% with one account. Someone with one account will either pay the subscription with RL cash, or grind that little bit harder to make 1.2 bill in 30 days. It's the 10-20+ account players who need to find half a Titan of ISK per month to keep their personal armada going. 30% drop in players online this year alone can't be accounted for with the reduction in accounts of just a few players. If you really believe people haven't left the game and it's only consolidation of accounts by <1% of players, then I'd like to see calculations in detail for that. e. I don't personally see the drop in players online as important. I think it's a lot to do with longer skills queues, sov issues, etc. but those people are all still subscribed and playing skill queue online. I'm just stirring with the above since it's a common line of argument by people. Prob is, we only know PCU, not actual account numbers, and that's what matters. The OP knows this, he couldn't shut me up by providing a source as I requested. May seem unfair, nothing to source, but you know what?!? I effect the PCU as well, lower time playing this past year compared to last year. But I still play, even though I don't push up the PCU by 1 each and every day, but enough. But then I don't need to be in x amount of hours, because I just pay cash for a sub, as I've always done. What if most people started just paying the sub cost? Likely lower PCU as people would not be compelled to grind massive hours for ISK to get PLEX. Oh gosh the EVE is DyingGäó crowd would try to eat this forum alive trying to convince us everyone left hehe. My source is long winded responses from plex users in other threads. I read what they say carefully because its their experience and their opinion. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:35:23 - [58] - Quote Aaron wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. Decreasing numbers is not "just fine" imo. High price of PLEX is good for new players that would buy from CCP. So it won't be responsible for their declining numbers if they were declining. Most likely the accounts that are lost due to high PLEX prices are alt accounts ( for the most part), which is not really a problem until it starts to effect the price of PLEX drastically, which there's no sign of presently. So I don't really see the price of PLEX being an issue, except for maybe with the F2P crowd.
Aaron Eternal Frontier 309	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:39:33 - [59] - Quote Avvy wrote: Aaron wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. Decreasing numbers is not "just fine" imo. High price of PLEX is good for new players that would buy from CCP. So it won't be responsible for their declining numbers if they were declining. Most likely the accounts that are lost due to high PLEX prices are alt accounts ( for the most part), which is not really a problem until it starts to effect the price of PLEX drastically, which there's no sign of presently. So I don't really see the price of PLEX being an issue, except for maybe with the F2P crowd. The game is headed in a bad direction with regard to RL PLEX price. I am surprised few people see the knock on effect. In a few months we can let the numbers do the talking. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:43:02 - [60] - Quote Aaron wrote: The game is headed in a bad direction with regard to RL PLEX price. I am surprised few people see the knock on effect. In a few months we can let the numbers do the talking. So what is this knock-on effect that you see so clearly?
Scotchmo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:44:02 - [61] - Quote Avvy wrote: Aaron wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. Decreasing numbers is not "just fine" imo. High price of PLEX is good for new players that would buy from CCP. So it won't be responsible for their declining numbers if they were declining. Most likely the accounts that are lost due to high PLEX prices are alt accounts ( for the most part), which is not really a problem until it starts to effect the price of PLEX drastically, which there's no sign of presently. So I don't really see the price of PLEX being an issue, except for maybe with the F2P crowd. I think new players come to eve wishing they could F2P the game not buy plex. EVE (and CCP) gains access to POTENTIAL customers with a lower barrier to start playing. This game has the biggest "start" barrier ever. Lots of core skills, poor NPE, cant expect to plex in a reasonable amount of time. These factors have slowed new player growth.
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:49:34 - [62] - Quote Scotchmo wrote: Avvy wrote: Aaron wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Aaron wrote: My opinions promote customer satisfaction and loyalty. No not really, to me they show you don't understand basic economics and have selfishly requested that the company run itself into the ground. Unfortunately they seem to be doing that just fine without your ideas. Decreasing numbers is not "just fine" imo. High price of PLEX is good for new players that would buy from CCP. So it won't be responsible for their declining numbers if they were declining. Most likely the accounts that are lost due to high PLEX prices are alt accounts ( for the most part), which is not really a problem until it starts to effect the price of PLEX drastically, which there's no sign of presently. So I don't really see the price of PLEX being an issue, except for maybe with the F2P crowd. I think new players come to eve wishing they could F2P the game not buy plex. EVE (and CCP) gains access to POTENTIAL customers with a lower barrier to start playing. This game has the biggest "start" barrier ever. Lots of core skills, poor NPE, cant expect to plex in a reasonable amount of time. These factors have slowed new player growth. F2P players don't contribute much to the game, some don't even buy from the in-game shop (EVE's shop isn't good enough for that purpose as it is). All they really do is bolster the numbers, which can be good for a game that's heavily in decline. EVE's not got to that stage.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40167	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:53:00 - [63] - Quote Avvy wrote: F2P players don't contribute much to the game, some don't even buy from the in-game shop (EVE's shop isn't good enough for that purpose as it is). All they really do is bolster the numbers, which can be good for a game that's heavily in decline. EVE's not got to that stage. This is not quite true. Players that PLEX their account create a demand for PLEX, which is balanced against supply. More demand is good, because it drives inflation (as we are currently seeing) and encourages people to pay cash for PLEX to sell to those PLEXing their account. They still contribute just as much to the game as people that pay cash for their subscription and in some ways it can be argued that they contribute more to the financial stability of CCP, since PLEX costs more than a subscription. For every player using F2P by PLEXing their account, CCP still get paid. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 183	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:58:22 - [64] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Avvy wrote: F2P players don't contribute much to the game, some don't even buy from the in-game shop (EVE's shop isn't good enough for that purpose as it is). All they really do is bolster the numbers, which can be good for a game that's heavily in decline. EVE's not got to that stage. This is not quite true. Players that PLEX their account create a demand for PLEX, which is balanced against supply. More demand is good, because it drives inflation (as we are currently seeing) and encourages people to pay cash for PLEX to sell to those PLEXing their account. They still contribute just as much to the game as people that pay cash for their subscription and in some ways it can be argued that they contribute more to the financial stability of CCP, since PLEX costs more than a subscription. For every player using F2P by PLEXing their account, CCP still get paid. I realise that, but EVE is a bit different from a lot of other games. But the F2P crowd (doesn't necessarily mean someone that PLEXes their account) tend to be the same, so trying to attract that crowd isn't something a game should do, unless they're set up for it or the game's active player count is getting dangerously low.
S'Way 1210	Posted - 2015.09.17 02:59:41 - [65] - Quote Reducing the PLEX price would only be reducing CCP's income from sales - less income means less they can reinvest to the game. Would it reduce PLEX prices ? No, there's too many people with a lot of isk these days that can manipulate the market even if supply was increased. Aaron wrote: The team of economists should be sacked imo. A more socialist attitude needs to be applied. What are we saying here? ** the poor people? Yes, PLEX prices should be changed to suit my needs. My need is for Eve to remain online for a very long time. If the PLEX customer base vanishes then a few thousand people will leave. Aaron wrote:** Some of the plex users are miners who pay for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th accounts, In one sentence you're wanting to help the "poor people" who can't afford to sub, in another saying some PLEX users are paying for 2nd, 3rd, 4th accounts. More than one account doesn't really fit into the "poor" category. Adding more PLEX to the market will just make it easier for people to increase their stockpiles, prices won't drop unless isk generation is nerfed a lot or more isk sinks get added. However people don't want their isk generation nerfed so prices will continue to rise. Expect 2bil each and going even higher within a few months. (see serenity servers price history for an idea of what to expect). The problem isn't just lack of supply to the market, it's that PLEX are the best thing to invest in - they're guaranteed game time. In theory they could probably make it so any bought from CCP are able to be sold on the in-game market, but any bought from that market couldn't be relisted on it - only used. (I'd be against this idea as it breaks the whole player driven market formula). Maybe CCP could add something like a timer to new PLEX bought, so if not used within a set time (say 180 days or so) they just expire or get turned into aurum. Reducing the incentive for people to hoard them to protect against in-game inflation might keep more of them on the market.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40167	Posted - 2015.09.17 03:03:30 - [66] - Quote Avvy wrote: But the F2P crowd (doesn't necessarily mean someone that PLEXes their account) tend to be the same, so trying to attract that crowd isn't something a game should do, unless they're set up for it or the game's active player count is getting dangerously low. Ah yeah, totally agree. Keep Eve, Eve. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Scotchmo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.09.17 03:07:59 - [67] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Avvy wrote: But the F2P crowd (doesn't necessarily mean someone that PLEXes their account) tend to be the same, so trying to attract that crowd isn't something a game should do, unless they're set up for it or the game's active player count is getting dangerously low. Ah yeah, totally agree. Keep Eve, Eve. Its hard for me because that is how I started. A friend said hey you can play for free if you get good. I did and I got to play. Never even would have considered the game otherwise at the time. And now over the years I have put hundreds of dollars in. I went from a F2P to actually paying my own money. I think it could happen to others as well! Plex was 300 Mil when I started and a single 4/10 if lucky almost paid for it.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 13969	Posted - 2015.09.17 03:09:20 - [68] - Quote Aaron wrote: My source is long winded responses from plex users in other threads. I read what they say carefully because its their experience and their opinion. As relevant I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
ISD FlowingSpice SYAD 22	Posted - 2015.09.17 04:16:50 - [69] - Quote 17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked. As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. This is not productive. There's more trolling and fighting than discussion. I have deleted some innapropriate posts. Additionally, a note that you should not abuse the report button to police opinions. Thanks. - Locked.

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