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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:48:00 -
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To start, I am not and Alt.
Also, I want to go into invention to go into production to make isk, not an "i win button" for isk making, but a way to increase the value of my T1 commerce.
This is for the benefit of people that beleive I want the opposite of the above.
The devs did state that we would be getting Invention as a meyhod to go into T2 production for the masses, I read this as the dedicated industrialist/scientist players such as myself, as I;
A)Dont have the cash to build a Titan, let alone a HAC BPO
B)Have 5 L4 R&D agents that do very little.
I am going to go exploring soon to get an interface, but the problem stands at this bottleneck, and it just isnt good enough. I specalised in industry to excell in industry.
My point is, I cant go into invention because I realise I have a better chance of nailing the BoB titan in my Ibis than finding the materials nessacary to build an interfacce and lay my hands on a bpc.
/Sighned, I cant say what needs changed, but that isnt what im employed to do. I make ships, thats what I do.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:54:00 -
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 Originally by: maarud
Personally, I want a dev blog now saying, "hrrmm, we messed up with invention, we'll be changing it" or "invetion is fine, you guys are just going about it the wrong way, here's a couple pointers".
Humility on the subject would reinstate some lost faith in CCP, and some pointers would be an acceptable compromise.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Phyrr
look im not rich or lucky, but you seem to be missing the point here. Invention will take time. Exploring will take time. I really hope CCP doesn't cave into your whining and dumbs this new content down.
From what I gather, there is a bottleneck on the bpc for the interfaces and the materials to build them. As op pointed out, it would take 8 hours a day for 6 people in a week to aquire the materials for one. This isnt to say more people=faster, that covers the entire games spawn rate of these componens. Whilst we see capital ships being introduced en masse, they are T1 and the price dosent go down, no matter how many are built.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 15:11:00 -
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AS he is 4 months old, perhaps he dosent know that people dedicated enough make 100M+Isk/Hour. These people are those that have T2 BPOs, which is our problem. The solution to the new peep, was invention, creating our own bpc of T2, which is virtualy impossible.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: KIAEddZ
PLease read this, its gonna save a LOT of pointless argument.
IF INTERFACES WERE PURCHASABLE ON THE MARKET, IT STILL WOULDNT CRASH THE TECH 2 MARKET!
Datacore supplies (the consumable) would see to this, and of course the fact that the modules made from the BPCs created would cost 5+ times the amount of isk to produce. They are the balancer, they are a finite supply, and as such they would restrict naturally the inventing industry. Interfaces just stop people getting involved at all.
Please read this and swallow it before replying.
There are people out there who have been churning out RP with multiple accounts each with multiple RP agents for nearly 2 years now. If they thought they could turn that RP into T2 ships and modules with only a little effort (as would be the case without interfaces) they would, even if doing so at a reduced profit.
Even if it didn't crash the T2 market it would still make T2 production a no-brainer that everyone and his dog could do. Fly to Jita > buy components > get datacores > invent yourself up a BPC with little to no effort involved. What would be the point in specialising in T2 production if that were the case?
Sir, you said you did T1 production, and as such you will know that you can
1)buy minerals in jita (buy datacores)
2)build ship (invent bpc)
3)build bpc with T1 ship and bpc, having usin the morphite and extra materials u built earlier.
Construction is in reality a no brainer, thers just more of it in T2.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 15:23:00 -
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You dont even need miners, just buy off of market, my corp cant mine nearly enough o keep up with production, and I know of several corps that mine moons and sell reactions or whatever they called off market.
24k RP/ship?
Excuse me but, what were they smoking at the time?, noones going to risk odds less than 50/50 for what you can only do less than 12 times a year per fully trained toon.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Phyrr
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Phyrr
I give up. CCP give everyone in the game all the stuff they need to be Uber so everyone can happy having the same **** as everyone else. Free BPC's of interfaces and the parts to build them pls. The new WoW \o/
Clueless.
how am I clueless? sweeping statements ftw?
You sir, have crossed the line of the hypothetical and that of sheer ignorance. We dont want to be uber, that would be grinding, what we want is our specalisation (industrialist here) to pay off by a game mechanic declared and half delivered by CCP unless they decide to show us an instruction manual declaring that we are doing this wrong. Like I have stated before, I dont want an I-win button for Isk, I want to be able to make more Isk than I currently do.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.19 16:25:00 -
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I have stated throughout, and I am sure the op concurs "we dont want I-win buttons, we want an operationf game feature". If you arent posting then we only have our rational intelects left to discuss this problem.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2006.12.22 21:19:00 -
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Well then I have stocked up on probes and am taking a week off to explore 0.0, il`l tell you here if I fond anything of interest and if I do, if anyone will be willing to give a hand with those components. I need a hacking module I take, but do i need the encryption methods to find that interface bpc?
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