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salakhar
Gallente
Seriously Corrupt Information Industries
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: salakhar on 19/12/2006 17:06:00
it is true that sometimes pvpers can have no honour at all even at their deaths.
'die with honour' corp was founded by a guy who apparently got ganked (guess it probably wasnt his first) and decided not to give those that ganked him the opportunity to add his name to their kill mail lists.
if u dint figure it out already the guy just self destructed on us.
it seems that this way u deprive someone of the loot and the kill mails so two birds with only stone.
however there is simply 0 honour to that.
so this post is to make his death public to all. u can all find out what his name is easily.
he even had the nerve to request of me a 1 vs 1 that i obviously denied him.
lets see now if he got the nerve to reply to this one :)
SI-FI ftw
Salakhar
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 19/12/2006 17:04:35
What was he in that took you more than 2 minutes to kill?
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance  -Karl
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kharakan on 19/12/2006 17:10:06
Jumping someone with a whole crew is hardly *fighting* with honour so if he chooses not to extend a similar courtesy and *die* with honour I'm sort of on his side =/
 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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salakhar
Gallente
Seriously Corrupt Information Industries
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: salakhar on 19/12/2006 17:14:00
guy was in domi supported by a stabber.
us in mega, arazu, bb
let me know how many lets say 3 vs 3 u ve had till now m8?
Salakhar
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jimmyjam
Gallente
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:25:00 -
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I say if they want to blow them selfs up let them. |
Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jin Entres on 19/12/2006 17:34:06
Originally by: Kharakan
Edited by: Kharakan on 19/12/2006 17:10:06
Jumping someone with a whole crew is hardly *fighting* with honour so if he chooses not to extend a similar courtesy and *die* with honour I'm sort of on his side =/
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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"Two Wrongs Make A Right"
This fallacy involves the attempt to justify a wrong action by pointing to another wrong action. Often, the other wrong action is of the same type or committed by the accuser, in which case it is the subfallacy Tu Quoque. Attempting to justify committing a wrong on the grounds that someone else is guilty of another wrong is clearly a Red Herring, because if this form of argument were cogent, one could justify anything―always assuming that there is another wrong to point to, which is a very safe assumption.
"Tu Quoque"
Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.
And whether or not he should or should not "die with honour", the fact that he doesn't makes his corp name ironic.
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Exogene
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:33:00 -
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Doesn't make much sense, how in the hell were you not able to kill him in under 2 minutes with 3 ships??? 
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Amira Silvermist
Yazata Spenta
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:50:00 -
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Why should it be unhonorably to die by his own hand?
You just throw a fit because you didnt get loot and killmail. 
But hey, maybe I just missed the global message that salakhar is now the supreme judge of pvp honor in eve... 
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:54:00 -
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I actually believe that the self-destruct should be adjustable through settings to an "instant" switch.
That is, if you selected "instant", you blow up the moment you hit the switch.
So, before you went into pvp, or you're being ambushed by superior numbers, you can blow yourself and your loot to bits.
Would probably **** off a lot of players, being denied the loot and killmail.
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salakhar
Gallente
Seriously Corrupt Information Industries
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:02:00 -
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exogene m8 its called 'twin reppers and cap boosters'
Salakhar
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Destr0math
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:02:00 -
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That seems to me to be just as honorable as any other death- seems that to many warrior cultures in the past, suicide was the MOST honorable way to go.
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Jalal
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:15:00 -
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The guy pussied out and suicided ... If he was a pvper then he should have died and given up his killmail, he could do this all the time and keep a clean record, the guys tactics suck, its an exploit and theres no honour in what hes done...
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Mutant Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Mutant Caldari on 19/12/2006 18:28:28
You guys have room to call anyone dishonorable.You and your allies Ctrl-Q more then anyone I have ever seen before so dont come onto these forums and whine because your 3 people couldnt kill someone before they self destruct and you didnt get the killmail/loot because you guys are just as dishonorable as he is.
P.S this is pointed at the OP,his alliance and their allies.
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ZENITHEY
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:35:00 -
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Shut up m8, he was denied the roll of sword master simply because the DWH man ran away.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
I actually believe that the self-destruct should be adjustable through settings to an "instant" switch.
That is, if you selected "instant", you blow up the moment you hit the switch.
So, before you went into pvp, or you're being ambushed by superior numbers, you can blow yourself and your loot to bits.
Would probably **** off a lot of players, being denied the loot and killmail.
Um no that would make me very very poor
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance -Karl
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Destr0math
That seems to me to be just as honorable as any other death- seems that to many warrior cultures in the past, suicide was the MOST honorable way to go.
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hon+or /ˈɒnər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[on-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
ûnoun
1.honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.
2.a source of credit or distinction: to be an honor to one's family.
3.high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.
4.such respect manifested: a memorial in honor of the dead.
5.high public esteem; fame; glory: He has earned his position of honor.
6.the privilege of being associated with or receiving a favor from a respected person, group, organization, etc.: to have the honor of serving on a prize jury; I have the honor of introducing this evening's speaker.
7.Usually, honors. evidence, as a special ceremony, decoration, scroll, or title, of high rank, dignity, or distinction: political honors; military honors.
Does deriving your killers of loot and killmail represent honesty, fairness and integrity? To me it looks more like an act of cowardice - an attempt to deny defeat and earned spoils - clearly a display of the lack of integrity and fairness.
Does it give credit or a positive distinction to him or his associates? Most certainly not. On the contrary, it will undermine his credibility.
Has it earned him fame and glory, or does the public hold him in high esteem? You need only look at the other replies in this thread to see that the answer is yet again no. Publicity definitely, but not the good kind.
By these definitions, I can only conclude that he was not honourable in committing self-destruction. If his corp name was "Slippery Scumbags Incorporated" this thread wouldn't exist. It's the fact that his corporation name upholds a pretense statement of principles which now has manifested painfully ironic.
P.S. Suicide may be considered honourable in some cultures, but it's usually in an attempt to avoid leaking information to the opponent (prisoners of war) or to make up for shame (Japan). I don't know any sports teams that would consider breaking the prize trophy in case of a loss honourable (even though I admit that the analogy is perhaps not that closely related).
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Mutant Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.19 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: ZENITHEY
Shut up m8, he was denied the roll of sword master simply because the DWH man ran away.
Him and his allies deny alot of people Killmails with their Log Offs so I dont really feel sorry for him.Neither should anyone else thats ever seen them in action on the battlefield.
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Balor Rand
Caldari
Continuum Rift
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:02:00 -
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I admit that I'm a noob. I only know three people in the game and none of them have been online in months.
It seems to me that the OP is just ****** off because his intended victim used a game mechanic to deny him a victory.
Anyway, as I said I'm just a noob and I know my opinion will not count for much but thats just my 2 ISK worth.
Balor Rand
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Corvos
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Corvos on 19/12/2006 19:24:31
I had a guy scrambled recently. He was a 2003 player so I assumed he most likely had some implants or something to lose so I requested an appropriate fee (in my eyes) or I pod him. He told me he couldnt trust me to let him go and initiated the self destruct function on his pod. So I podded him and was done with it.
Being very honest who cares about honour. Above all I like just ganking people, killing miners with my HAC or BS is what I like, is there honour in that? Personally I dont thionk so but I also dont really think about it. Its killing. Why should there be honour in it. I mean so what if the guy tried to self destruct, you can see when he starts the countdown...
If you want the sec hit (depending on what system your in) and inevitably the kill mail then just blow the f*cker up! He is activating his clone either way but as I said it's up to you whether or not you want the mail or not.
Honour to you is letting you have his stuff. Honour to him would be lets say offering a ransom or something. Its hardly going to be a mutual feeling so how can you expect him to understand your side of the coin when he is clearly sitting on the opposite side.
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:31:00 -
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Better he dead then warped off stabbed up?
But loot would have been nice, did you guys get his POD?
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:41:00 -
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Ok, if it was 3v3 I rescind my original comment ;)
But another thing that came to mind while I was thinking about this - denying you his assets is a sound tactical move. If you'd looted him you would've sold the loot and bought new modules/ships with it, or used the loot yourselves. By denying you his equipment, he denies you an advantage you would have gained, however small or large it may have been. Taking away an advantage is good tactics. Although admittedly, not always honourable.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Dana Barrett
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:59:00 -
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Sounds like he committed seppuku, which to many is the most honorable death of all.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.19 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dana Barrett
Sounds like he committed seppuku, which to many is the most honorable death of all.
Did you conveniently ignore my post?
Seppuku is not a synonym for suicide. Seppuku is a very distinct form of suicide, a ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was integral to bushido, and was used to extenuate shame or avoid capture by enemy. In EVE, capture is impossible. Instead, self-destructing would be the same as a warrior committing suicide on the battlefield. Not very honourable.
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Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.19 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres
Seppuku is a very distinct form of suicide, a ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was integral to bushido, and was used to extenuate shame or avoid capture by enemy. In EVE, capture is impossible. Instead, self-destructing would be the same as a warrior committing suicide on the battlefield. Not very honourable.
You cannot fight from a pod, especially not one that is warp scrambled.
There is no doubt in my mind that your garden variety samurai would commit seppuku upon the loss of their ship; having lost the ability to fight, there's the shame required for seppuku.
My question is, how does your second deliver the daki-kubi when you're in a pod? 
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Amira Silvermist
Yazata Spenta
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.19 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 19/12/2006 21:52:10
Haha oh my god!
Do you guys even realise how stupid it sounds if you yell: "UNFAIR! The other kid broke his toy truck before I could do it!!!"
You know what?
Go and file a petition against griefing.
Pathetic...
Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0% |
Amira Silvermist
Yazata Spenta
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.12.19 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 19/12/2006 21:59:15
Originally by: Anatolius
My question is, how does your second deliver the daki-kubi when you're in a pod?
Yea, too bad the second could not post the killmail on some forums. *g*
Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0% |
Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.19 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Anatolius
Originally by: Jin Entres
Seppuku is a very distinct form of suicide, a ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was integral to bushido, and was used to extenuate shame or avoid capture by enemy. In EVE, capture is impossible. Instead, self-destructing would be the same as a warrior committing suicide on the battlefield. Not very honourable.
You cannot fight from a pod, especially not one that is warp scrambled.
True, but the original post gives the impression that this guy self-destructed his ship. I can see how self-destructing one's pod would fit the description when the fight is already over. That, at least, is understandable.
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Jalal
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Posted - 2006.12.19 22:42:00 -
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Amira Silvermist you say pathetic, haha, this is a game m8 people suspend there reality and role play... Dude get a grip
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Taliac
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.19 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Silvermist
Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 19/12/2006 21:52:10
Haha oh my god!
Do you guys even realise how stupid it sounds if you yell: "UNFAIR! The other kid broke his toy truck before I could do it!!!"
You know what?
Go and file a petition against griefing.
Pathetic...
Agree.
All this whining only because you didn't get a killmail.
A bit sad
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.19 23:36:00 -
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I don't see any lack of honor here, you guys didn't get yourself a killmail and are now trying to tarnish somebodys reputation for it.
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