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Captain Zanarkan
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Posted - 2006.12.19 23:00:00 -
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I was wondering if an abaddon was the right amarr BS to use for PVP, iv heard the 'geddon was better but im not sure. Any fitting set ups are also welcome. Thanx 
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Captain Zanarkan
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:03:00 -
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Bump
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:32:00 -
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Depends on what you want to do and with how many people. I think the geddon is definitely a better fleet PVP ship because I'm pretty sure it has a higher dps. Unfortunately, if you try to solo PVP in a geddon and you run into someone that is EM tanked, which is almost everyone, then you may run into some issues, also three mid slots really hurt your setup options. T2 pulses on this thing are awesome.
For solo PVP the Abaddon is better, but that isn't really saying much, and you still have to choose your fights carefully. T2 guns really help as the damage mod only makes their t2 damage bonus count even more.
Both of these ships have their purposes though if you get Amarr BS 5 and controlled burst 5, along with some other gunnery supporting skills and maybe drone skills, especially for the geddon.
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devianc3
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:52:00 -
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geddon for gang pvp
abbadon, apoc for fleet
apoc for pve
abbadon has now the nber alpha so its good for fleet
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:54:00 -
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Abaddon - Gate Sniper
Apoc - Meat Shield
Geddon - Everything else
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:12:00 -
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Actually abaddon is pretty bad sniper (unless you want to do 10vs1 gank and thats all).
Tachys just burn thru cap and even with injector running you are lookign at 2minutes of combat tops.
It fares much better with megapulses, tho in megapulse range geddon outdamages it (abaddon can have a bit better passive tank tho).
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:17:00 -
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Close Range - Geddon outdamges the Abaddon, can run a more sustainable tank while firing, you still need cap boosters, just half as many.
Long Range - Abaddon outdamages, requires two cap boosters to even hold up its guns, meaning that Geddon is the better choice for any fight longer then five minutes.
The only good thing the Abaddon can do is breeze through tanking missions, and anything that requires tanking and no lasers. (I like the Neutron-Blaster Abaddon personally).
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: BurnHard on 20/12/2006 23:49:05
 Originally by: Aeaus
Long Range - Abaddon outdamages, requires two cap boosters to even hold up its guns, meaning that Geddon is the better choice for any fight longer then five minutes.
What setup are you using that you can't hold your guns up with? I've been playing around with (below).... and it holds tank with guns firing and 80%+ resists across the board.
High:
5 x Tachyon II
3 x Heavy Pulse II
Mid:
4 x Cap Recharger II
Low:
1 x Heat Sink II
2 x Energized Adaptive Nano-membrane
1 x Cap Power Relay
1 x Kinetic II
1 x Explosive II
1 x Large Repper II
5 x Tech II Medium Drones
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: BurnHard
Edited by: BurnHard on 20/12/2006 23:49:05
Originally by: Aeaus
Long Range - Abaddon outdamages, requires two cap boosters to even hold up its guns, meaning that Geddon is the better choice for any fight longer then five minutes.
What setup are you using that you can't hold your guns up with? I've been playing around with (below).... and it holds tank with guns firing and 80%+ resists across the board.
High:
5 x Tachyon II
3 x Heavy Pulse II
Mid:
4 x Cap Recharger II
Low:
1 x Heat Sink II
2 x Energized Adaptive Nano-membrane
1 x Cap Power Relay
1 x Kinetic II
1 x Explosive II
1 x Large Repper II
5 x Tech II Medium Drones
Dude, WTF?
A long Range Setup with 5 x Tachyon IIs and 3 MOTHER ******* CRUISER GUNS?
5 Cap Modules?
My Geddon could out-do that with Tech I guns, that's just the saddest thing I've ever seen.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.12.21 02:08:00 -
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The Abaddon got designed with rigs in mind. With PG rigs it can field a full tank and 8 tachs (can either tank or shoot but you tend to be jammed/disrupted anyway when you have to tank).
For PvE go with cap rigs and you can run a single repper fitting and 8x Beams with 2 HS2 forever.
If you have to snipe for a long time go with 7 tachs and capa rigs.
If you go with tank rigs it can outtank 3 long range fitted BS and hold the damage of more quite some time.
Yes, I know rigs are out of scope for general pvp combat but that may change with any hotfix.
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Deva Blackfire
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:43:00 -
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Yes you could use tachys t2 + cap rigs on abaddon. Then you have... 500mil (?) ship in fleet which pops almost as easily as 100mil (with t2 stuff) geddon, and does a bit more damage. Not worth additional 400mil especially in lottery game (in which when they select you, you die).
Maybe with lower rig prices it will be ok, but still abaddon costs 3x geddon (excluding fitting - with fit abt 2x more)
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.12.21 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
Dude, WTF?
A long Range Setup with 5 x Tachyon IIs and 3 MOTHER ******* CRUISER GUNS?
5 Cap Modules?
My Geddon could out-do that with Tech I guns, that's just the saddest thing I've ever seen.
Lol - that was for NPC'ing. I should read the whole thread next time......
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.21 09:17:00 -
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Unless I'm mistaken, the Abaddon actually outdamages the Armageddon if you only consider lasers.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.21 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Yes you could use tachys t2 + cap rigs on abaddon. Then you have... 500mil (?) ship in fleet which pops almost as easily as 100mil (with t2 stuff) geddon, and does a bit more damage. Not worth additional 400mil especially in lottery game (in which when they select you, you die).
Maybe with lower rig prices it will be ok, but still abaddon costs 3x geddon (excluding fitting - with fit abt 2x more)
Completely Agree. People saying this ship was designed with rigs in mind are crazy. It has a tiny DPS advantage over the Armageddon at long ranges only.
Close Range the Geddon outdamges and can fit a plate to out-last the Abaddon while not eating up crazy capacitor.
Rigs only make the Abaddons weakness's less of a gimp, they improve other ships.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.21 11:21:00 -
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Cross train Gallent for solo pvp, Amarr are all about being in a gang let them lock down targets while you dish the damage but dont expect to out DPS a Megathron due to poor pulse tracking and lower dps.
Any battle ship can use Heavy Nos so expect a huge disadvanted in 1on1.
Dont use a Abaddon for pvp use a Geddon/Apoc or you will **** off fleet commanders when your outa cap mid fight or cant warp all the way to tactical safespots as your always low on cap.
Abaddon would of been better with -10% cap reduction and 5% Dmg per lvl.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Captain Zanarkan
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Posted - 2006.12.24 05:03:00 -
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Bump Thanx guys
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cy4n1d3
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Posted - 2006.12.24 12:32:00 -
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jesus christ..you guys get the best BC and best BS of Rev and you're whining like little girls? I would love it if the Maelstrom had a damage/armor resist bonus.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: cy4n1d3
jesus christ..you guys get the best BC and best BS of Rev and you're whining like little girls? I would love it if the Maelstrom had a damage/armor resist bonus.
So the amarr got the Drake and Rokh? and that sure sounded like a whine about the Mealstrom.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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mallina
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.24 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: mallina on 24/12/2006 17:08:24
Originally by: cy4n1d3
jesus christ..you guys get the best BC and best BS of Rev and you're whining like little girls? I would love it if the Maelstrom had a damage/armor resist bonus.
best BC?
dont get me wrong, Harbinger is a great ship, but the best? a Myr will kill it in 90% of situations
best BS... lol
I had an Abaddon. It looks as if it was designed with 1v1s on SiSi in mind, more than anything else. I thought 4 meds would allow for MWD/Web/Scram/Inject combo to work, but even with 5 megapulse, 3 heavy nos and 1 rep i ran out of cap charges in about 3 minutes.
Had i been using 8 megapulse, MWD and dual rep (such as the Hyperion is capable of,with blasters) i would have needed to be running 2 cap injectors on auto just to keep them online, which means i'd run out of charges in just over 1 minute.
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Posted - 2006.12.24 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: cy4n1d3
jesus christ..you guys get the best BC and best BS of Rev and you're whining like little girls? I would love it if the Maelstrom had a damage/armor resist bonus.
Do you fly it? Prolly no.
I fly it everyday (tho not many kills atm) and can easily see what are the problems. It surely IS NOT best Kali BS.
Best one comes to rokh hands down. Rest are just another version of BS we already had (mael=pest, aba=arma, hype=mega) with slot/turret shift (or small bonus changes).
And its very true... abaddon looks like if it was designed to sisi 1v1 combats...
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Chode Rizoum
Minmatar
TEMPTATION INC.
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Posted - 2006.12.24 19:58:00 -
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8 x 800 II Autocanons
1 x mwd
1 x web
1 x 20 k
1 x cap injector
2 x large reps
2 x EANM II
1 x dmg control
2 x gyro II
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
8 x 800 II Autocanons
1 x mwd
1 x web
1 x 20 k
1 x cap injector
2 x large reps
2 x EANM II
1 x dmg control
2 x gyro II
buy a mealstrom?
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.24 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
8 x 800 II Autocanons
1 x mwd
1 x web
1 x 20 k
1 x cap injector
2 x large reps
2 x EANM II
1 x dmg control
2 x gyro II
buy a mealstrom?
I believe Abaddon is currently cheaper.
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SasRipper
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Posted - 2006.12.24 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
8 x 800 II Autocanons
1 x mwd
1 x web
1 x 20 k
1 x cap injector
2 x large reps
2 x EANM II
1 x dmg control
2 x gyro II
buy a mealstrom?
I believe Abaddon is currently cheaper.
buy an apoc  its even cheaper
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