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Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:56:00 - [31] Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 21/12/2006 21:57:53 Originally by: Noriath The main reason why Capital ships are not front worthy, no matter how much HP you give them is because there is no way for them to get out of a fight they are going to lose. More HP might mean that it takes longer for you to die, but in Eve you can get stuck in a situation where you know you lost the fight very quickly, and you're just waiting for the inevitable explosion. For a carrier there is no way out of this, it can't warp anywhere fast, it can be scrambled, it can't jump while using its repairers... On top of that there is the whole problem with not being able to jump through gates. Carriers could very well fight on the front in small gang combat, but small gang combat is highly mobile, often spans multiple systems - simply nothing a capital ship can keep up with. In fights that stay in a single system you usually are dealing with pretty big groups of 30+ ships, which is plenty enough to kill a capital ship very fast. Capital ships are very powerful, but they just have such limited potential to escape from a fight they can't win that the risk that you end up in one is too high to risk your ship by exposing it to the enemy frequently. Not to mention the cost, fact they will be primary, and the fact that they dont need to be on the front line to do their job. In fact they are best off squirreled away in a POS so they can do all the other stuff they do, like allow BS to refit, change drones, repair, etc. All someone needs to do is get them scrambled or a drone triple webbed and you are screwed, even if you are right next to a station. You can't dock when a drone is agro'd. The only tactically sound place for a carrier, PvP combat wise, is in a POS being used for system defense, or once you've established a POS in enemy space, in that POS, providing support for a dread support fleet to take out the enemy pos's in system. Hey if you can afford to lose them all the time, why not? If you go waving them around like a megathron, you will lose them... a lot. I've helped kill a few myself. I'm sure the carrier pilots were, ahem, a little upset about it. It took a good old long time to kill them too. I'd have not been able to watch. It would be agony. Carriers are pwnmobiles, but only if you use them right and stop thinking like a BS pilot. That's what BS's are for. You could quadruple the HP and it wouldn't matter. /----------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong.
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:57:00 - [32] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 21/12/2006 21:57:51 Try some omnidirectional tracking links (+20% to drone optimal and tracking) in the mid slots, i dont see many people using them and they help drones hit targets harder by quite a large margin. I probably would never stick NOS into ANY of the motherships/carriers high slots, I would probably instead stick in all +1 fighter mods and instead launch 5 EV-900 drones and then all fighters. You still have the option to use some nos but you also have the option to use ALL fighters too. If you need more than 5 ev-900 drones to nos something your probably using your carrier for something it shouldnt be. Just my oppinion.
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 22:01:00 - [33] EV-900 (and all the rest of the EV line of drones) are Neut drones not Nos drones. They only take cap away from the target.
Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.21 22:14:00 - [34] carriers are excellent for afk killmail whoring sit at pos, assign fighters, do homework. Just check every once and a while and make sure you dont get gang warped somewhere --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.21 23:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 21/12/2006 21:57:51 Try some omnidirectional tracking links (+20% to drone optimal and tracking) in the mid slots, i dont see many people using them and they help drones hit targets harder by quite a large margin. Don't affect Fighters. Waste of slots. -----
AngryCanuk TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:32:00 - [36] A carrier at the front could soak up dmg, so basically be a big target. In small engagements thats great because u could soak up the dmg quite easily and let ur comrades go after the baddies with ur fighters. In larger engagements it would be suicide, i agree, and thus best to stay in a POS and put ur fighters out to your corp mates....still those in small engagements (like defending a system from small pirate parties) a carrier would be very useful
Constantinee Caldari PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.22 14:16:00 - [37] wait a minuet....bob got a wyvren to....? damnit i need to pay more attention to the forums. pon the mor eimportnt matter carriers are going to see alot more fleet action now i belive mainly because alot of the main fleet ships lost dps with rev. this is tru;ley the age of the capital ships. Want a Cheap sig?
Outa Rileau	Posted - 2006.12.22 14:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Constantinee wait a minuet....bob got a wyvren to....? damnit i need to pay more attention to the forums. you're funny ------------------------- Getting Sig Removed / Rank 8 / SP: 762039 of 2048000
Valen Itrius Gallente Nemasis Corp	Posted - 2006.12.22 14:24:00 - [39] Originally by: POD KILL Yea your Right. I guess its a good thing the guy who wil be flying my Carier has a full crystal set in his head.6400--> around 12500 thats Tank. Thanks for all the input. Did you post just to try and show off or something? You havent actually asked any viable questions other than "will this 1.5 billion isk booster do?". F*cking troll.
SettingSky Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2006.12.22 18:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Outa Rileau Originally by: Constantinee wait a minuet....bob got a wyvren to....? damnit i need to pay more attention to the forums. you're funny Uh, they won it in the previous PvP Championship
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.22 19:05:00 - [41] Originally by: SettingSky Originally by: Outa Rileau Originally by: Constantinee wait a minuet....bob got a wyvren to....? damnit i need to pay more attention to the forums. you're funny Uh, they won it in the previous PvP Championship Haven't they won 2? From the first 2 PVP tournaments. -----
Constantinee Caldari PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.22 20:51:00 - [42] Originally by: SettingSky Originally by: Outa Rileau Originally by: Constantinee wait a minuet....bob got a wyvren to....? damnit i need to pay more attention to the forums. you're funny Uh, they won it in the previous PvP Championship Want a Cheap sig?
Noh Chek'na FIRMA	Posted - 2006.12.23 10:25:00 - [43] Id like to get in on the bandwagon and agree Carriers are extremely powerful in small to medium engagements on the front lines, as they are incredible force multipliers. In a 10vrs10, and one side drops a carrier in the mix, they have an incredible advantage over the enemy. ESPECIALLY if hes throwing capital remote repping. However throwing a carrier into front lines puts you in the win or die situation. You have very LITTLE chance of escape if your fleet gets pwned. You'll be stuck fighting 8 ships solo, who have you scramed. You may tank for 10 minutes, but they'll eventually bring you down. Carrier pilots must make CAREFUL choices using them as frontlines weapons of warfare. The only ships that can be used frontline with less care are motherships, as the immunity to EW basically means they can warp out of any sticky situation, as longas they arent bumped to death. A carrier in the middle of a huge 200/200 fight, might want to think twice, as 200 blasting ships ontop of you, is too much DPS, even for the best officer fitted carrier tanks.
Mechalus Kal'lith	Posted - 2006.12.23 10:39:00 - [44] Can some1 plz explain this POS everyone is talking about. And do I understand it correctly that fighters can warp on their own???? dont they have a max control distance? (and yes I'm rather new) MK
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.23 11:11:00 - [45] Originally by: POD KILL Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2006 13:52:34 Originally by: POD KILL Thanks. i guess the gisti XL X type shield booster i got will come in handy. Put that on your carrier and i guarantee itll die fast. Originally by: AngryCanuk Put 3 trimark armour rigs on a thanatos and you can get that sucker to 250000 armour. Doesnt matter what your in, thats a hell of alot of armour to eat through, even without a XL repper. Im going to love flying a carrier :D Why not go for 3 capital reps running permanently instead? Yea your Right. I guess its a good thing the guy who wil be flying my Carier has a full crystal set in his head.6400--> around 12500 thats Tank. Thanks for all the input. implants dont affect capital ships
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.23 11:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Mechalus Kal'lith Can some1 plz explain this POS everyone is talking about. And do I understand it correctly that fighters can warp on their own???? dont they have a max control distance? (and yes I'm rather new) MK You can assign fighters to gang mates. Those fighters will follow that person into warp and will attack anyone he tells them to. And a POS is a structure that creates a big hard bubble for your fleet to sit safely inside while you plan your next attack. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.23 14:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Riho implants dont affect capital ships implants dont affect capital modules. Ships is affected as normal. A slave set will increase armor. you'll never jump alone
Mechalus Kal'lith	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:17:00 - [48] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Mechalus Kal'lith Can some1 plz explain this POS everyone is talking about. And do I understand it correctly that fighters can warp on their own???? dont they have a max control distance? (and yes I'm rather new) MK You can assign fighters to gang mates. Those fighters will follow that person into warp and will attack anyone he tells them to. And a POS is a structure that creates a big hard bubble for your fleet to sit safely inside while you plan your next attack. Ah, ok, thanks for thei information mate. MK

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