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Faenir Antollare The Idiot Kings Get Off My Lawn 408	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:25:23 - [61] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: You're just mad because Im better than you. Free tip: Dont resort to hyperbole and personal insults. They are a sign of weakness and defeat. If you want to avail yourself of more of my expertise, send 10bil isk alongside a permanent CODE license, and I will consider it. The isk I can invest, and the license I can wipe my butt with. They say a leopard can not change its spots nor it's bad posting habits it seems. After you have finished with your next edit from that wiping of your butt try and post something worth reading without the cowardly edits eh ? RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:29:52 - [62] - Quote Ill even throw in a Tweet of me "officially" wiping my butt with the CODE license, smiling, as an endorsement! PvE v PvP
Faenir Antollare The Idiot Kings Get Off My Lawn 408	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:33:51 - [63] - Quote Back on topic Super initiative and a great idea from those that truly understand EvE. /salut RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14538	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:38:28 - [64] - Quote More than three pages of Salvos tears. If I were CCP Shadowcat, I would be laughing myself silly right now. Some people take the game too seriously. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:41:29 - [65] - Quote Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? Atleast that endorses its good for SOMETHING! :D PvE v PvP
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 122	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:47:20 - [66] - Quote We had such a nice thread, enjoying the fact that it was a funny gesture that someone gave a CCP dev an IRL mining permit. It is a game guys, you are taking this WAY to serious. And it's a piece of laminated paper for gods sake! But then a wild Salvos appeared.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14540	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:49:05 - [67] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Nope, still you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:50:24 - [68] - Quote The lamination is something you should get rid of. Its butt-wiping capacity is considerably diminished by this, which, afterall, detracts from one of its primary uses and the reason of endorsement... Could you perhaps print them on softer, triple-layered tissue, in separable pieces, and on a roll in future? Another free tip: I think this would greatly increase the marketability and interest of your product. PvE v PvP
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1607	Posted - 2015.09.28 14:13:28 - [69] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? The question is: will there be a picture of it attached? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 655	Posted - 2015.09.28 14:29:04 - [70] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? Atleast that endorses its good for SOMETHING! :D Laminated, that would make it hard to wipe. Ever cut yourself on those sharp edges before? Ouch! Also, I think it lacks the ability to pick up those pesky clingers. Might cause smear. Lastly, thank you for taking this to places it should not have gone. Personally, I would use a set for beer coasters. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 15:01:37 - [71] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? The question is: will there be a picture of it attached? But(t) of course! PvE v PvP
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1213	Posted - 2015.09.28 16:37:25 - [72] - Quote I have removed an obvious troll post. Sarcasm and humour are fun, but not when you degrade another player or group of players. Quote: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7169	Posted - 2015.09.28 21:30:35 - [73] - Quote Well I must admit this much. In the USA we have those silly "Terrorist hunting permit" stickers, popular around 2001 (obviously) but it was a good way to gauge a person who has such a thing on their car (leaving politics out if it, that's as far as I go). Now, if we had something like CODE. permit stickers for vehicles along that same vein of humor, I would imagine it to be more useful than a basic Eve sticker (which I have but never used) because while an Eve player would notice an Eve sticker, or even one of those faction stickers (Guristas probably being the most pronounced), a player who understands what the mining permit sticker means is more apt to be a more involved player and hence such signaling out in meatspace could bring more players together there. Thus were I running CODE. right now I would be wondering if such a thing could be possible. Imagine how "emergent" it would be if you get a RL permit sticker for a vehicle - emerging right into the real world and certainly worth a laugh or two. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Black Hydra Consortium. 2015	Posted - 2015.09.28 21:36:11 - [74] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I'm half expecting one of my own now. Will you be at eve vegas? Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 657	Posted - 2015.09.28 21:54:59 - [75] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Well I must admit this much. In the USA we have those silly "Terrorist hunting permit" stickers, popular around 2001 (obviously) but it was a good way to gauge a person who has such a thing on their car (leaving politics out if it, that's as far as I go). Now, if we had something like CODE. permit stickers for vehicles along that same vein of humor, I would imagine it to be more useful than a basic Eve sticker (which I have but never used) because while an Eve player would notice an Eve sticker, or even one of those faction stickers (Guristas probably being the most pronounced), a player who understands what the mining permit sticker means is more apt to be a more involved player and hence such signaling out in meatspace could bring more players together there. Thus were I running CODE. right now I would be wondering if such a thing could be possible. Imagine how "emergent" it would be if you get a RL permit sticker for a vehicle - emerging right into the real world and certainly worth a laugh or two. I was at a mall once. Saw a BMW M5 and in the upper left corner was a little orange triangle with "II" in it. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40350	Posted - 2015.09.29 04:34:14 - [76] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Is that when you saw someone get kicked in the head? Os is that sort of thing only if you saw it happen at FanFest? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7171	Posted - 2015.09.29 07:40:58 - [77] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Well I must admit this much. In the USA we have those silly "Terrorist hunting permit" stickers, popular around 2001 (obviously) but it was a good way to gauge a person who has such a thing on their car (leaving politics out if it, that's as far as I go). Now, if we had something like CODE. permit stickers for vehicles along that same vein of humor, I would imagine it to be more useful than a basic Eve sticker (which I have but never used) because while an Eve player would notice an Eve sticker, or even one of those faction stickers (Guristas probably being the most pronounced), a player who understands what the mining permit sticker means is more apt to be a more involved player and hence such signaling out in meatspace could bring more players together there. Thus were I running CODE. right now I would be wondering if such a thing could be possible. Imagine how "emergent" it would be if you get a RL permit sticker for a vehicle - emerging right into the real world and certainly worth a laugh or two. I was at a mall once. Saw a BMW M5 and in the upper left corner of back window was a little orange triangle with "II" in it. I would have chased the driver down and screamed "WHERE DID YOU GET THAT????????!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 698	Posted - 2015.09.29 12:23:41 - [78] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? Atleast that endorses its good for SOMETHING! :D I would hand out physical pieces of laminated paper based on a video game cartel just so that you have the opportunity to do this. But be careful with all that plastic, good sir. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 3239	Posted - 2015.09.29 13:11:21 - [79] - Quote Official CODE. merchandise for sale when?
Salvos Rhoska 1531	Posted - 2015.09.29 13:35:02 - [80] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license! DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! PvE v PvP

Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 662	Posted - 2015.09.29 13:46:13 - [81] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license! DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! My name is Markus reese and this is my favorite TP on my citadel. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Rashan Shanalar Tanaka Industries Inc. 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:02:48 - [82] - Quote I am undecided about this one. On the one hand, its all good fun. Ganking by itself and the basic premise of CODE are fine with me. I do not agree with some of their actions though and find their style of communications at times over abusive, harassing and just bad taste. Yet I still read minerbumping and enjoy the tales about many of their exploits. Ganking has its place in EvE as well as in High-Sec. On the other hand CODE shows no remorse with regards to those times they overstep the moral line in the sand. The "Bonus Room" was an amoral and in many countries illegal affair. It was clearly labelled by CCP as unacceptable and resulted in bans against countless perpetrators. Yet instead of showing remorse or at least keeping quite about this shameful matter, CODE stylizes those banned pilots as "Martyrs" in their in-game and out-of-game propaganda. By doing so CODE condones their activities and puts itself in conflict with CPP rulings and Player Opinion. http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/remembering-our-martyrs.html Moreover Code utilizes the twitter of CCP Shadowcat to implicate that their activities are not only tolerated by CCP but are welcomed. "This carebear would be heartbroken to know that CCP devs are given laminated mining permits at fan events." http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/highsec-miner-grab-bag-89.html "Here you see a CCP dev holding a New Order permit and beaming with pride." http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html This is where it all goes wrong. CCP Shadowcat accepted the permit and posted the twitter in good faith. Nevertheless this happened a few days after CODE styled the banned bonus room participants as martyrs. The positive public attention created for CODE by CCP right after the propaganda statement about the "Bonus Room" creates the impression, that CCP supports or at least tolerates CODEs position. The fact that CCP tolerates that CODE uses the Twitter for propaganda purposes solidifies this impression. So what is it? Does CCP still see actions like the Bonus Room as inacceptable or not ? Is it ok for player Groups to abuse CCP employees in testimonials for the superiority of their sandbox gameplay over that of other groups ?
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 125	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:33:37 - [83] - Quote Rashan Shanalar wrote: Moreover Code utilizes the twitter of CCP Shadowcat to implicate that their activities are not only tolerated by CCP but are welcomed. Suicide ganking is perfectly legal according to the rules of the game and therefore tolerated by CCP. You don't need a picture with a dev holding a permit, in order to know that CCP does tolerate suicide ganking. If they did not tolerate this form of activity, they would just announce it as abuse and ban people doing it. Rashan Shanalar wrote: Does CCP still see actions like the Bonus Room as inacceptable or not ? What Erotica 1 did with the Bonus Room and what the usual CODE agent does is not the same. You cannot directly compare them like that. I will agree that if someone feels an agent is abusive or harassing (in the context of the EULA) they should just report the agent to CCP by sending in a petition. However, my experience usually shows it is the other way around. The conversation often goes like this: Code agent: "You need a permit to mine here according to the code. It will only cost you 10M per year." Miner: "**** OFF!" or alternatively Miner: "I hope you and your family dies of cancer!" I my opinion, people need to remember that this is only a game. I don't think anyone have, or would be able to attain any malicious goals by giving an IRL permit to a CCP employee. As well as the fact, that whether you like it or not. CODE has become a very core RP group in the EvE universe. They are influencing how things are done in highsec greatly. Having a lunatic religious faction upholding their beliefs, is nothing but worthy all the other stories that are created in EvE all the time. Especially, when this organization is able to get people so heavily invested emotionally.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 663	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:38:36 - [84] - Quote Well, not sure I read whatever the bonus room incident thing so no comment there. I do agree that many CODE. targets are only harm to the game. They offer no benefit. The best gamers are usually picky and being able to take out rookies with little lasting concequenses and a minimal isk investment is pretty broken. The more discerning and skilled players leave because "if simple stuff like that isnt balanced, I doubt rest of the game is much better" There is nothing wrong with the principles of code nor the permit from a gameplay value. But CCP still leaves low security as being easy to fix. Burn your security should be permaburned to highsec practically. At least not without a ton of work. Literally, dont blame the players, blame the game. Some people just cannot see the big picture. I deal with it every day in RL. Is sad and a little scary how narrow point of views can be. They like the game so much that they drive it into the ground. Subs=investment=dev time. If they dont like carebears? So what. Let carebears feed CCP dollars so CCP can improve eve faster so ganking and such can be a solid part of eve Best way to run it is a pick and choose. I have met many new players who never received any pay warning. They want to RP and bring eve reality to nubs? Give a warning, set their standing and next time, pop! The fact I hear so many cases where it was just a gank without any request for payment or they say it after makes it difficult to believe their roleplay. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12512	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:47:36 - [85] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Rashan Shanalar wrote: Moreover Code utilizes the twitter of CCP Shadowcat to implicate that their activities are not only tolerated by CCP but are welcomed. Suicide ganking is perfectly legal according to the rules of the game and therefore tolerated by CCP. You don't need a picture with a dev holding a permit, in order to know that CCP does tolerate suicide ganking. If they did not tolerate this form of activity, they would just announce it as abuse and ban people doing it. Well said. it's just another case of "I think it's bad so everyone should think it's bad" going on in this thread, with a healthy dose of "think of the children". I always wonder about the emotionally weak players who complain about and dislike CODE (and Goons before them), if they have that hard a time with people playing a game like that on the internet, what kind of sheltered life must they have lived? They sure as hell don't want to step foot in my RL neighborhood lol. I felt the same during the grr goons era when listening to people who wouldn't lift one digital finger to oppose goons in this video game but would campaign against them at every turn (asking ccp for nerfs) on forums and social media. I mean, how panzified is that? I just shoot goons when I see them on overview, problem solved. Same with CODE, they are so easy to ignore it must take an especially sensitive and hapless player to be affected by them. CCP made a game about freedom. Not just freedom for "good people" but freedom for everyone. The cost of freedom is dealing with some people who will use that freedom to do things others don't like. Unlike in real life, you can actually just shoot people you don't like.
Salvos Rhoska 1532	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:58:26 - [86] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- For only the most discerning and elite agent of all, to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) PvE v PvP
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 663	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:08:05 - [87] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: . CCP made a game about freedom. Not just freedom for "good people" but freedom for everyone. The cost of freedom is dealing with some people who will use that freedom to do things others don't like. Unlike in real life, you can actually just shoot people you don't like. Thing is, there are multiple ways to fight back. It isnt the gank, but the lack of concequence. I did not, and do not like goons solely due to the psychological way they interacted. But never did I fault them for play. Same with code. I have nothing at all against the criminality of it (in game, ganking, protection racket, etc. 10m per year? Hell they are losing isk and an easy cost. Very well played. However, enacting their actions do lack any weighted concequence so many join code for willy nilly grief play. There are different ways. People fight when they have something or a reason to fight for. Or they pack up and leave. People do not fight back because they avoid those who have reason or care to fight. The rest? Well as many say. Eve is a game. Many fun games out there. I have even recommended at times to peeps that eve is not for them. I give an honest and unobjective view, and some people want sandbox, but just want a light casual play. Their sub dollars are no different than anybody elses. And light casual carebear play doesnt hurt eve. So lets tweak crimewatch so objective of gankers and the carebears work out. It is why my regular proposal for war decs by system. Means is cheap to dec the fringes, control the best mining spots, exploration etc in highsec, but makes it a playstyle and not just grief play. Increase concequenses and time to fix sec status. Do the crime, do the time. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14549	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:21:12 - [88] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Thing is, there are multiple ways to fight back. It isnt the gank, but the lack of concequence. Get this into your head. Ganking is the ONLY playstyle that does have mechanical consequences attached to it. It does not need any more merely because your kind fails so hard at fighting back. Consequences are for players to enforce. Your failure to do so is not indicative of anything broken in the game, merely something wrong with your attitudes. Lastly, you can talk about adding more "consequences" to the way I play the game when there are any "consequences" attached to you merely for engaging in your playstyle at all. Quote: Do the crime, do the time. You know that, in EVE Online, capsuleers are literally gods? Rules don't apply to us, and the regular people just try to stay out of our way and/or take our money. They literally do not care what we do to each other. They consider themselves lucky that the Yulai Accords still hold, for that matter. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 126	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:23:36 - [89] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: I have even recommended at times to peeps that eve is not for them. I give an honest and unobjective view, and some people want sandbox, but just want a light casual play. Their sub dollars are no different than anybody elses. And light casual carebear play doesnt hurt eve. So lets tweak crimewatch so objective of gankers and the carebears work out. And you can still enjoy light casual play, but you need to accept that the game is a sandbox and abide by its rules and mechanics. Just because you want to play the game casually, does not mean that you get a free pass on learning the game rules or how its mechanics work. Also, how is a gankers sub money any different from a carebears? You need to understand that the road goes both ways. If you change suicide ganking too drastically, then you might see a decrease in subs from people who see this play style as enjoyable. As Jenn aSide pointed out, the game gives freedom to both "lawful" and "unlawful" activites. There are plenty of consequences associated with ganking, in regards to sec status mechanics. While the risk of losing a mining ship is really not that big. You can easily find a quiet mining spot, for that casual mining. And if you want to get serious with your mining, you will join a null corp where there are no CODE agents to being with.
Salvos Rhoska 1532	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:28:11 - [90] - Quote Notice how some entitled individuals ignore the actual content produced into this thread. BUT DO NOT BE DISMAYED! That means MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU! Supplies have not yet run out and bidding is still open! NOW is your opportunity to avail yourself of these excellent endorsement products! Salvos Rhoska wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- For only the most discerning and elite agent of all to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) PvE v PvP



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