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Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 6	Posted - 2015.09.26 17:10:55 - [1] - Quote http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html?m=1 CCP Shadowcat has acquired her official New Order Mining Permit while attending EVE Berlin. Is this a good thing, demonstrating that the devs will show support for emergent groups in EVE that AREN'T EVE Uni or somerblink? Or is CCP Shadowcat overstepping a bit, by showing partiality toward one side of a player conflict? PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 642	Posted - 2015.09.26 17:22:17 - [2] - Quote It is always a dangerous game to show support for a certain player group. This case however is just nothing more than having fun and relates to any fanfic or other form of fun and unique OOC sport. The article does not show favoritism to the action, or the corp, but the fact that the players went out of their way and made a real item for something they do in sport on the game. CCP has shown the same thing for individual players and unknown people throughout the history of eve. The fact that it is in this case related to in game events does not come into a factor of... THAT PERMIT IS COOL To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 7	Posted - 2015.09.26 17:29:31 - [3] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: THAT PERMIT IS COOL I know, right?!?! PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 642	Posted - 2015.09.26 17:38:54 - [4] - Quote It is a fine example of what I like about eve. I do not "like" CODE. so to speak, but I can respect the play I dislike. If you guys go to fanfest, bring a printer and laminator. Work that into fanfest. "Coming to fanfest? Paid your mining permit? Get one made" Shoot, I don't mine, but if for the isk cost of mining permits I got one, that would be fun :p To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Nyu Kaminari Ministry of War Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2015.09.26 18:04:59 - [5] - Quote I understand that at any time, I can fall to CODE. I won't like it when I die, but if people think it is a problem, There's that wonderful ability to wardec... neither of which violates the Eula. This type of in game meta keeps things interesting and topical. Bombers Bar, although quite different in nature is something I see as being similar. When you die to the Bar, often times you were not being careful and maybe laugh about it later thinking "I deserved that". OP reveals the nature of just having fun with these Ideas and not vilifying them because of inconvenience. Don't like? Wardec!
Syeed Ameer Ali Evil Murder Society 13	Posted - 2015.09.26 20:30:04 - [6] - Quote Agent Grzzly wrote: Or is CCP Shadowcat overstepping a bit, by showing partiality toward one side of a player conflict? When one side is so clearly and obviously superior, supporting them is the impartial position. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9869	Posted - 2015.09.26 20:57:05 - [7] - Quote https://media.giphy.com/media/9Q249Qsl5cfLi/giphy.gif Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Bobb Bobbington The Cult of the Rare Pepes 52	Posted - 2015.09.27 00:02:52 - [8] - Quote Isn't Papers Please a reference to a game of the same title?. I just remember Scott Manley(gift) Glory to Arstotzka. (Really hope I spelled that right) Btw DAMN you autocorrect. Won't let me type the vic*h after Manley. Keeps autocorrect it to gift. I hate not being able to turn off autocorrect on mobile. Just take away the asteriks. I mean come on, it let Arstotzka by.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 622	Posted - 2015.09.27 00:31:10 - [9] - Quote Hah! That's freakin' awesome! This made my night. 10/10 "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 622	Posted - 2015.09.27 00:34:31 - [10] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: https://media.giphy.com/media/9Q249Qsl5cfLi/giphy.gif That's actually a little creepy. Not sure why, just maybe the way it loops I guess. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Tesal 445	Posted - 2015.09.27 00:43:29 - [11] - Quote Yawn......
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4218	Posted - 2015.09.27 00:50:06 - [12] - Quote The way I read it, a Code agent just unilaterally presented the permit card thing to Shadowcat. It's not like she bought it, or is endorsing Code. She did let Code photograph her with the permit, but what kind of normal sociable person wouldn't do that? You're trying to conquer me You never will conquer me -Delroy Wilson
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1051	Posted - 2015.09.27 01:25:57 - [13] - Quote If they looked like that all the time, I'd buy one... and I don't mine unless I'm baitshipping. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 11	Posted - 2015.09.27 01:30:49 - [14] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: The way I read it, a Code agent just unilaterally presented the permit card thing to Shadowcat. It's not like she bought it, or is endorsing Code. She did let Code photograph her with the permit, but what kind of normal sociable person wouldn't do that? Try actually looking at the picture. It wasn't taken at EVE Berlin. Looks to me like it was taken at a residence, which means that if she simply "let code photograph her with the permit", then the CODE. agent in question must have gone home with her (not surprising, given the charm of our agents). But no, she's not endorsing the New Order one bit, she just tweeted a picture of herself smiling next to her mining permit (of her own volition). PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Tiddle Jr Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 527	Posted - 2015.09.27 01:37:57 - [15] - Quote Agent Grzzly wrote: http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html?m=1 CCP Shadowcat has acquired her official New Order Mining Permit while attending EVE Berlin. Is this a good thing, demonstrating that the devs will show support for emergent groups in EVE that AREN'T EVE Uni or somerblink? Or is CCP Shadowcat overstepping a bit, by showing partiality toward one side of a player conflict? It's fookin fail fake! If you look at the pic on the permit and at Shadowcat face there is nothing identical.
ISD Atomic Dove ISD Community Communications Liaisons 65	Posted - 2015.09.27 02:15:27 - [16] - Quote Just chipping in here before anything horrible starts to flare up. Quote: 18. Impersonation of another party is prohibited. Forum users are strictly prohibited from impersonating any other party on the EVE Online forums. This includes but is not limited to ISD volunteers, CCP employees, CCP partners and other forum users. This also includes suggesting that an employee of CCP or an ISD volunteer will perform a task for you While there are being various lines being toed here I would ask you please err on the side of caution and remain posting well within rules of the forums here. Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. ISD Atomic Dove Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25182	Posted - 2015.09.27 02:22:42 - [17] - Quote It's a harmless bit of fun that both sides will no doubt blow out of all proportion. A CCP dev accepted a roleplaying gift from a player who took the time to make it. That's all there is to it. It's probably not the first time and it won't be the last. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6407	Posted - 2015.09.27 02:28:54 - [18] - Quote I'm half expecting one of my own now. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 11	Posted - 2015.09.27 03:01:01 - [19] - Quote ISD Atomic Dove wrote: Just chipping in here before anything horrible starts to flare up. Quote: 18. Impersonation of another party is prohibited. Forum users are strictly prohibited from impersonating any other party on the EVE Online forums. This includes but is not limited to ISD volunteers, CCP employees, CCP partners and other forum users. This also includes suggesting that an employee of CCP or an ISD volunteer will perform a task for you While there are being various lines being toed here I would ask you please err on the side of caution and remain posting well within rules of the forums here. Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. I am truly sorry, and really hope you don't think I'm being obtuse, but... What? Could you maybe re-word that for me? Who is it directed at? Also, what does "antagonizing other players style of play" mean? Thanks! PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Syeed Ameer Ali Evil Murder Society 14	Posted - 2015.09.27 03:22:30 - [20] - Quote ISD Atomic Dove wrote: Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. Antagonizing other player's style of play is the whole purpose of these forums isn't it? Is this your first day? You're kind of cute. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 192	Posted - 2015.09.27 03:53:55 - [21] - Quote Syeed Ameer Ali wrote: ISD Atomic Dove wrote: Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. Antagonizing other player's style of play is the whole purpose of these forums isn't it? Is this your first day? You're kind of cute. Antagonizing other players on the forums just for the sake of it, is what trolls do and trolling is prohibited.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 695	Posted - 2015.09.27 04:13:00 - [22] - Quote What we need next is a human face to put on James 315... For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Zahara Cody Imperial Corrections Service. 194	Posted - 2015.09.27 04:16:56 - [23] - Quote I'd buy a permit if it came with a physical copy like that. Great idea. Thumbs up. Selling a Silver Magnate for 1 trillion isk. No less.
TackyTachy1 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2015.09.27 04:18:27 - [24] - Quote I Like the code guys; I got a couple characters that enjoy blowing them up. GankerBumping is cool!
Ima GoodGirl Black Ballers 109	Posted - 2015.09.27 04:30:57 - [25] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: The way I read it, a Code agent just unilaterally presented the permit card thing to Shadowcat. It's not like she bought it, or is endorsing Code. She did let Code photograph her with the permit, but what kind of normal sociable person wouldn't do that? Actually, if you read her tweet accompanying the photo, she acknowledges that she can "now officially go mining". The implication of course being that she knows that without a permit, she can't go officially mining. Seems like at least some form on endorsement.
Ima GoodGirl Black Ballers 109	Posted - 2015.09.27 04:34:22 - [26] - Quote Syeed Ameer Ali wrote: ISD Atomic Dove wrote: Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. Antagonizing other player's style of play is the whole purpose of these forums isn't it? Is this your first day? You're kind of cute. It's the whole purpose of the game, not just the forums. It would be pretty boring if we didn't antagonise others styles of play.
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2156	Posted - 2015.09.27 04:49:31 - [27] - Quote Well...whatever one thinks of code, I think one would have to admit that was a fairly good bit of meta. Guy made / saw an opportunity. Definitely a propaganda coup for lord jimmy and his merry muck of misbegotten minions. ITT: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
Oinola Akachi State War Academy Caldari State 18	Posted - 2015.09.27 05:29:29 - [28] - Quote It's miner ransom before the destruction opportunity. It will not protect you from other gankers, but just so you know, the receiver can afford not to attack. Other than that, other diplomacy follows with agreements. Some reason I don't pay is that I do miner ganking too.
Bellatrix Invicta New Order Logistics CODE. 588	Posted - 2015.09.27 07:09:39 - [29] - Quote Ima GoodGirl wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: The way I read it, a Code agent just unilaterally presented the permit card thing to Shadowcat. It's not like she bought it, or is endorsing Code. She did let Code photograph her with the permit, but what kind of normal sociable person wouldn't do that? Actually, if you read her tweet accompanying the photo, she acknowledges that she can "now officially go mining". The implication of course being that she knows that without a permit, she can't go officially mining. Seems like at least some form on endorsement. Endorsement or just a smart miner? My ISK is on the latter. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
Salvos Rhoska 1522	Posted - 2015.09.27 08:25:13 - [30] - Quote Ima GoodGirl wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: The way I read it, a Code agent just unilaterally presented the permit card thing to Shadowcat. It's not like she bought it, or is endorsing Code. She did let Code photograph her with the permit, but what kind of normal sociable person wouldn't do that? Actually, if you read her tweet accompanying the photo, she acknowledges that she can "now officially go mining". The implication of course being that she knows that without a permit, she can't go officially mining. Seems like at least some form on endorsement. This. And my hate of twit(ter) deepens. Gj CODE on OP success. PvE v PvP
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1998	Posted - 2015.09.27 08:37:41 - [31] - Quote Avvy wrote: Syeed Ameer Ali wrote: ISD Atomic Dove wrote: Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. Antagonizing other player's style of play is the whole purpose of these forums isn't it? Is this your first day? You're kind of cute. Antagonizing other players on the forums just for the sake of it, is what trolls do and trolling is prohibited. In my day... Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 308	Posted - 2015.09.27 08:54:50 - [32] - Quote Disgusting. Have a nice day! Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 297	Posted - 2015.09.27 11:32:57 - [33] - Quote So...all CODE mining permits are proven to be useless counterfeit, as none of them are laminated, and thus are void. You all just got ripped off, nice job.
Deletus Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.09.27 13:45:16 - [34] - Quote Hello, as the creator of those permits, all i can say is that it was merely a gift for the CCP staff meant to show some gratitude towards them for making an awesome game that i enjoy a lot. I went to the player gathering as a Code Agent, naturally i had to bring permits. If someone takes offense i can't help it. When i made them i did not expect to see a forum post about it.
Salvos Rhoska 1523	Posted - 2015.09.27 14:19:16 - [35] - Quote Well done on OP success to AWOX CCP staff. Also for promotive purposes. As Dev states in Twit(ter) you now need a CODE license to officially mine. Furthermore, you dont need an ingame license, you need a printed/laminated IRL version. Apparently you also dont need to pay for them with isk, you just need to make a CODE agent "thankful". PvE v PvP
Buoytender Bob Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining 106	Posted - 2015.09.27 14:57:29 - [36] - Quote I find it kind of ironic that the official papers/permits needed to function in hi-sec and touted by an official of the ruling group originated from Berlin. Guess that is because of my age compared to the rest of the gaming group; brings up some RL memories/issues, but that's on me...I understand it for what it was meant to be: a gift to some CCP people who helped make a game so many people love. Well played, CODE. Well played indeed. To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit. ...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
Deletus Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.09.27 15:38:43 - [37] - Quote Buoytender Bob wrote: I find it kind of ironic that the official papers/permits needed to function in hi-sec and touted by an official of the ruling group originated from Berlin. It clearly says "Uedama" on the backside.
Salvos Rhoska 1524	Posted - 2015.09.27 15:41:59 - [38] - Quote Deletus wrote: Buoytender Bob wrote: I find it kind of ironic that the official papers/permits needed to function in hi-sec and touted by an official of the ruling group originated from Berlin. It clearly says "Uedama" on the backside. You gave a Dev a license, to perform their natural ingame activities, so that you do not intervene upon them. Does this not constitute bribery? PvE v PvP
Deletus Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.09.27 16:08:59 - [39] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Does this not constitute bribery? Are you for real?
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8658	Posted - 2015.09.27 16:33:46 - [40] - Quote ISD Atomic Dove wrote: Just chipping in here before anything horrible starts to flare up. Quote: 18. Impersonation of another party is prohibited. Forum users are strictly prohibited from impersonating any other party on the EVE Online forums. This includes but is not limited to ISD volunteers, CCP employees, CCP partners and other forum users. This also includes suggesting that an employee of CCP or an ISD volunteer will perform a task for you While there are being various lines being toed here I would ask you please err on the side of caution and remain posting well within rules of the forums here. Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. Just who is impersonating who here, exactly? Is this a reference to the permit-holding Dev's player account? [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Salvos Rhoska 1525	Posted - 2015.09.27 16:51:12 - [41] - Quote Deletus wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Does this not constitute bribery? Are you for real? Yes. Arent you? Or are CODE licenses illegitimate? Are you saying that was a false license you handed to a CCP Dev? PvE v PvP
Deletus Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.09.27 17:15:32 - [42] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Arent you? I was asking because i did not expect someone to accuse me of bribing CCP members with plastic cards. Now, i understand that you probably have a strong opinion about the people i play EVE Online with. However, it reads to me as if you are missing a fundamental proportionality. Let a player gathering and a harmless gift be what it is. Stop grasping at straws.
Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 11	Posted - 2015.09.27 18:26:19 - [43] - Quote Isn't accusing a dev of accepting a bribe from a player against the rules? PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Salvos Rhoska 1526	Posted - 2015.09.27 21:51:00 - [44] - Quote Agent Grzzly wrote: Isn't accusing a dev of accepting a bribe from a player against the rules? More so than delivering an ingame benefit to a CCP Dev, outside of the game? Dunno. Interesting hypothetical question you raise. PvE v PvP
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 652	Posted - 2015.09.27 21:59:29 - [45] - Quote I guess it depends... is it a benefit? I mean not gonna pay the bills with that or be able to infinitely craft T2? It is something fun is all to chat about. Ever hear of a vid called Day of Darkness II or the Clear Skies movies? Somebody tries to or does something cool, CCP shows their fanbase. Am sure it would have gone up on twitter if it was some independent from an NPC corp as well. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Salvos Rhoska 1526	Posted - 2015.09.27 22:16:56 - [46] - Quote Imagine if that image and that tweet text had been posted here on GD with a CCP tag on the index, by its author. Even on Twitter, its made with the official alias and as a CCP rep. If it wouldn't be posted "officially" here on GD, it really shouldn't be posted anywhere else "officially" either. I'm not so up-tight not to see the fun in this. But I'm also not so stupid as to not to see the rather obvious official endorsement and benefit a certain organization got as a result, whether intended or not. PvE v PvP
Syeed Ameer Ali Evil Murder Society 17	Posted - 2015.09.27 22:19:47 - [47] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I'm half expecting one of my own now. Send me 10 million isk, I'll get you sorted. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 11	Posted - 2015.09.27 22:28:23 - [48] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Agent Grzzly wrote: Isn't accusing a dev of accepting a bribe from a player against the rules? More so than delivering an ingame benefit to a CCP Dev, outside of the game? Yes. PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Salvos Rhoska 1526	Posted - 2015.09.27 22:33:08 - [49] - Quote Agent Grzzly wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Agent Grzzly wrote: Isn't giving an official something suspicious? More so than pointing out it might be? Yes. Seeing as its hypothetical, thats just, like, your opinion, man. PvE v PvP
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1604	Posted - 2015.09.28 05:48:50 - [50] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Deletus wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Does this not constitute bribery? Are you for real? Yes. Arent you? Or are CODE licenses illegitimate? Are you saying that was a false license you handed to a CCP Dev? Maybe you should just calm down a bit, maybe drink a glass of water or something... we are talking about a game here and it looks like some people at CCP just enjoy the stories and things we create in their sandbox. After all the New Order is indeed the first player created democracy in New Eden, if not the first true player driven democracy in all of gaming. Also, everyone knows that a mining permit is required in Highsec, you don't need a photograph of a CCP member to find that out. It's common knowledge and you accepted the Code when you entered our territory. So quit the whining and get your own permit today. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1124	Posted - 2015.09.28 06:54:11 - [51] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Deletus wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Does this not constitute bribery? Are you for real? Yes. Arent you? Or are CODE licenses illegitimate? Are you saying that was a false license you handed to a CCP Dev? Maybe you should just calm down a bit, maybe drink a glass of water or something... we are talking about a game here and it looks like some people at CCP just enjoy the stories and things we create in their sandbox. After all the New Order is indeed the first player created democracy in New Eden, if not the first true player driven democracy in all of gaming. Also, everyone knows that a mining permit is required in Highsec, you don't need a photograph of a CCP member to find that out. It's common knowledge and you accepted the Code when you entered our territory. So quit the whining and get your own permit today. Calm down ganker... Ella's Snack bar. With all the data supplied on API/CREST the game should be renamed to Jabber Online, look something to kill, ping everyone!!!!
Ima GoodGirl Black Ballers 114	Posted - 2015.09.28 08:29:33 - [52] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Calm down ganker... As the old saying goes, imitation is the best form of flattery. You clearly have a secret love of gankers. You old devil you. Trying to trick us all along that your shiptoasting was because you were just butthurt, but really it was because of admiration.
Glathull Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 1141	Posted - 2015.09.28 09:09:03 - [53] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Deletus wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Does this not constitute bribery? Are you for real? Yes. Arent you? Or are CODE licenses illegitimate? Are you saying that was a false license you handed to a CCP Dev? Stop being the reason we can't have nice things. A stupid player group did something goofy and got a dev to take a picture. That's it. That's all there is to it. There's no favoritism or bribery. There's a thing called fun that some people like to have. You should try it out sometime. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 09:13:47 - [54] - Quote Glathull wrote: Stop being the reason we can't have nice things. Your anger is misplaced. I haven't done anything. PvE v PvP
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders 165	Posted - 2015.09.28 09:18:44 - [55] - Quote this made me chuckle, GJ printer guy
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2015.09.28 09:42:31 - [56] - Quote Glathull wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Deletus wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Does this not constitute bribery? Are you for real? Yes. Arent you? Or are CODE licenses illegitimate? Are you saying that was a false license you handed to a CCP Dev? Stop being the reason we can't have nice things. A stupid player group did something goofy and got a dev to take a picture. That's it. That's all there is to it. There's no favoritism or bribery. There's a thing called fun that some people like to have. You should try it out sometime. Nah, we're too busy taking the game too seriously. A signature :o
Chocolate Mooses Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 55	Posted - 2015.09.28 11:09:43 - [57] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Deletus wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Does this not constitute bribery? Are you for real? Yes. Arent you? Or are CODE licenses illegitimate? Are you saying that was a false license you handed to a CCP Dev? Man, you must be a blast at parties. "BUT WHY DID YOU GIVE ME THIS BEER? WHAT IS THE REAL REASON? WHY SHOULD I DRINK IT? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING BY GIVING ME SOMETHING? TELL ME NOW!" Relax, buddy. It's just out of game fun (You know, that thing you have when you step away from your computer and speak to other human beings without using a keyboard.)
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 12:08:37 - [58] - Quote Chocolate Mooses wrote: ... Please contain your salty shouting and false indignation. You know nothing about me at parties, nor out of game. The questions are valid, and ontopic, as either raised by OP themself, or from subsequent discussion on them. Imo posting a pic like that on an official twitter account, and using the term "officially" in the text was a bad move, for many reasons. Especially considering the controversy. Thats my opinion. Deal with it. PvE v PvP
Faenir Antollare The Idiot Kings Get Off My Lawn 406	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:06:22 - [59] - Quote Yet again, yet another thread poisoned with the slavering editing of "Salvos Rhoska" with his/it's after the fact retractions and additions to and after the initial post and so warping each and every discussion to his/it's own agenda ! Enough is enough !!! CCP/ISD, just by allowing this malpractice and abuse of the forums to continue you are not only setting unwanted and unneeded precedents you are crushing the will of any player/poster to post constructively and contribute to in regard of the future of this game that we so very Love and that we refer to as EvE. RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:19:28 - [60] - Quote You're just mad because Im better than you. Free tip: Dont resort to hyperbole and personal insults. They are a sign of weakness and defeat. If you want to avail yourself to more of my expertise, send 10bil isk alongside a permanent CODE license, and I will consider it. The isk I can invest, and the license I can wipe my butt with. PvE v PvP
Faenir Antollare The Idiot Kings Get Off My Lawn 408	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:25:23 - [61] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: You're just mad because Im better than you. Free tip: Dont resort to hyperbole and personal insults. They are a sign of weakness and defeat. If you want to avail yourself of more of my expertise, send 10bil isk alongside a permanent CODE license, and I will consider it. The isk I can invest, and the license I can wipe my butt with. They say a leopard can not change its spots nor it's bad posting habits it seems. After you have finished with your next edit from that wiping of your butt try and post something worth reading without the cowardly edits eh ? RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:29:52 - [62] - Quote Ill even throw in a Tweet of me "officially" wiping my butt with the CODE license, smiling, as an endorsement! PvE v PvP
Faenir Antollare The Idiot Kings Get Off My Lawn 408	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:33:51 - [63] - Quote Back on topic Super initiative and a great idea from those that truly understand EvE. /salut RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14538	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:38:28 - [64] - Quote More than three pages of Salvos tears. If I were CCP Shadowcat, I would be laughing myself silly right now. Some people take the game too seriously. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:41:29 - [65] - Quote Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? Atleast that endorses its good for SOMETHING! :D PvE v PvP
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 122	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:47:20 - [66] - Quote We had such a nice thread, enjoying the fact that it was a funny gesture that someone gave a CCP dev an IRL mining permit. It is a game guys, you are taking this WAY to serious. And it's a piece of laminated paper for gods sake! But then a wild Salvos appeared.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14540	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:49:05 - [67] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Nope, still you. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 13:50:24 - [68] - Quote The lamination is something you should get rid of. Its butt-wiping capacity is considerably diminished by this, which, afterall, detracts from one of its primary uses and the reason of endorsement... Could you perhaps print them on softer, triple-layered tissue, in separable pieces, and on a roll in future? Another free tip: I think this would greatly increase the marketability and interest of your product. PvE v PvP
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1607	Posted - 2015.09.28 14:13:28 - [69] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? The question is: will there be a picture of it attached? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 655	Posted - 2015.09.28 14:29:04 - [70] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? Atleast that endorses its good for SOMETHING! :D Laminated, that would make it hard to wipe. Ever cut yourself on those sharp edges before? Ouch! Also, I think it lacks the ability to pick up those pesky clingers. Might cause smear. Lastly, thank you for taking this to places it should not have gone. Personally, I would use a set for beer coasters. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Salvos Rhoska 1528	Posted - 2015.09.28 15:01:37 - [71] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? The question is: will there be a picture of it attached? But(t) of course! PvE v PvP
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1213	Posted - 2015.09.28 16:37:25 - [72] - Quote I have removed an obvious troll post. Sarcasm and humour are fun, but not when you degrade another player or group of players. Quote: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7169	Posted - 2015.09.28 21:30:35 - [73] - Quote Well I must admit this much. In the USA we have those silly "Terrorist hunting permit" stickers, popular around 2001 (obviously) but it was a good way to gauge a person who has such a thing on their car (leaving politics out if it, that's as far as I go). Now, if we had something like CODE. permit stickers for vehicles along that same vein of humor, I would imagine it to be more useful than a basic Eve sticker (which I have but never used) because while an Eve player would notice an Eve sticker, or even one of those faction stickers (Guristas probably being the most pronounced), a player who understands what the mining permit sticker means is more apt to be a more involved player and hence such signaling out in meatspace could bring more players together there. Thus were I running CODE. right now I would be wondering if such a thing could be possible. Imagine how "emergent" it would be if you get a RL permit sticker for a vehicle - emerging right into the real world and certainly worth a laugh or two. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Black Hydra Consortium. 2015	Posted - 2015.09.28 21:36:11 - [74] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I'm half expecting one of my own now. Will you be at eve vegas? Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 657	Posted - 2015.09.28 21:54:59 - [75] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Well I must admit this much. In the USA we have those silly "Terrorist hunting permit" stickers, popular around 2001 (obviously) but it was a good way to gauge a person who has such a thing on their car (leaving politics out if it, that's as far as I go). Now, if we had something like CODE. permit stickers for vehicles along that same vein of humor, I would imagine it to be more useful than a basic Eve sticker (which I have but never used) because while an Eve player would notice an Eve sticker, or even one of those faction stickers (Guristas probably being the most pronounced), a player who understands what the mining permit sticker means is more apt to be a more involved player and hence such signaling out in meatspace could bring more players together there. Thus were I running CODE. right now I would be wondering if such a thing could be possible. Imagine how "emergent" it would be if you get a RL permit sticker for a vehicle - emerging right into the real world and certainly worth a laugh or two. I was at a mall once. Saw a BMW M5 and in the upper left corner was a little orange triangle with "II" in it. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40350	Posted - 2015.09.29 04:34:14 - [76] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Is that when you saw someone get kicked in the head? Os is that sort of thing only if you saw it happen at FanFest? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7171	Posted - 2015.09.29 07:40:58 - [77] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Well I must admit this much. In the USA we have those silly "Terrorist hunting permit" stickers, popular around 2001 (obviously) but it was a good way to gauge a person who has such a thing on their car (leaving politics out if it, that's as far as I go). Now, if we had something like CODE. permit stickers for vehicles along that same vein of humor, I would imagine it to be more useful than a basic Eve sticker (which I have but never used) because while an Eve player would notice an Eve sticker, or even one of those faction stickers (Guristas probably being the most pronounced), a player who understands what the mining permit sticker means is more apt to be a more involved player and hence such signaling out in meatspace could bring more players together there. Thus were I running CODE. right now I would be wondering if such a thing could be possible. Imagine how "emergent" it would be if you get a RL permit sticker for a vehicle - emerging right into the real world and certainly worth a laugh or two. I was at a mall once. Saw a BMW M5 and in the upper left corner of back window was a little orange triangle with "II" in it. I would have chased the driver down and screamed "WHERE DID YOU GET THAT????????!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 698	Posted - 2015.09.29 12:23:41 - [78] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Perhaps its you who are taking this game and this forum too seriously? Yes, I have shed tears. In laughter. Or are you saying there is something wrong and not funny about me Tweeting how I officially clean my behind with a CODE license? Atleast that endorses its good for SOMETHING! :D I would hand out physical pieces of laminated paper based on a video game cartel just so that you have the opportunity to do this. But be careful with all that plastic, good sir. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 3239	Posted - 2015.09.29 13:11:21 - [79] - Quote Official CODE. merchandise for sale when?
Salvos Rhoska 1531	Posted - 2015.09.29 13:35:02 - [80] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license! DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! PvE v PvP
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 662	Posted - 2015.09.29 13:46:13 - [81] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license! DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! My name is Markus reese and this is my favorite TP on my citadel. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Rashan Shanalar Tanaka Industries Inc. 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:02:48 - [82] - Quote I am undecided about this one. On the one hand, its all good fun. Ganking by itself and the basic premise of CODE are fine with me. I do not agree with some of their actions though and find their style of communications at times over abusive, harassing and just bad taste. Yet I still read minerbumping and enjoy the tales about many of their exploits. Ganking has its place in EvE as well as in High-Sec. On the other hand CODE shows no remorse with regards to those times they overstep the moral line in the sand. The "Bonus Room" was an amoral and in many countries illegal affair. It was clearly labelled by CCP as unacceptable and resulted in bans against countless perpetrators. Yet instead of showing remorse or at least keeping quite about this shameful matter, CODE stylizes those banned pilots as "Martyrs" in their in-game and out-of-game propaganda. By doing so CODE condones their activities and puts itself in conflict with CPP rulings and Player Opinion. http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/remembering-our-martyrs.html Moreover Code utilizes the twitter of CCP Shadowcat to implicate that their activities are not only tolerated by CCP but are welcomed. "This carebear would be heartbroken to know that CCP devs are given laminated mining permits at fan events." http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/highsec-miner-grab-bag-89.html "Here you see a CCP dev holding a New Order permit and beaming with pride." http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html This is where it all goes wrong. CCP Shadowcat accepted the permit and posted the twitter in good faith. Nevertheless this happened a few days after CODE styled the banned bonus room participants as martyrs. The positive public attention created for CODE by CCP right after the propaganda statement about the "Bonus Room" creates the impression, that CCP supports or at least tolerates CODEs position. The fact that CCP tolerates that CODE uses the Twitter for propaganda purposes solidifies this impression. So what is it? Does CCP still see actions like the Bonus Room as inacceptable or not ? Is it ok for player Groups to abuse CCP employees in testimonials for the superiority of their sandbox gameplay over that of other groups ?
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 125	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:33:37 - [83] - Quote Rashan Shanalar wrote: Moreover Code utilizes the twitter of CCP Shadowcat to implicate that their activities are not only tolerated by CCP but are welcomed. Suicide ganking is perfectly legal according to the rules of the game and therefore tolerated by CCP. You don't need a picture with a dev holding a permit, in order to know that CCP does tolerate suicide ganking. If they did not tolerate this form of activity, they would just announce it as abuse and ban people doing it. Rashan Shanalar wrote: Does CCP still see actions like the Bonus Room as inacceptable or not ? What Erotica 1 did with the Bonus Room and what the usual CODE agent does is not the same. You cannot directly compare them like that. I will agree that if someone feels an agent is abusive or harassing (in the context of the EULA) they should just report the agent to CCP by sending in a petition. However, my experience usually shows it is the other way around. The conversation often goes like this: Code agent: "You need a permit to mine here according to the code. It will only cost you 10M per year." Miner: "**** OFF!" or alternatively Miner: "I hope you and your family dies of cancer!" I my opinion, people need to remember that this is only a game. I don't think anyone have, or would be able to attain any malicious goals by giving an IRL permit to a CCP employee. As well as the fact, that whether you like it or not. CODE has become a very core RP group in the EvE universe. They are influencing how things are done in highsec greatly. Having a lunatic religious faction upholding their beliefs, is nothing but worthy all the other stories that are created in EvE all the time. Especially, when this organization is able to get people so heavily invested emotionally.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 663	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:38:36 - [84] - Quote Well, not sure I read whatever the bonus room incident thing so no comment there. I do agree that many CODE. targets are only harm to the game. They offer no benefit. The best gamers are usually picky and being able to take out rookies with little lasting concequenses and a minimal isk investment is pretty broken. The more discerning and skilled players leave because "if simple stuff like that isnt balanced, I doubt rest of the game is much better" There is nothing wrong with the principles of code nor the permit from a gameplay value. But CCP still leaves low security as being easy to fix. Burn your security should be permaburned to highsec practically. At least not without a ton of work. Literally, dont blame the players, blame the game. Some people just cannot see the big picture. I deal with it every day in RL. Is sad and a little scary how narrow point of views can be. They like the game so much that they drive it into the ground. Subs=investment=dev time. If they dont like carebears? So what. Let carebears feed CCP dollars so CCP can improve eve faster so ganking and such can be a solid part of eve Best way to run it is a pick and choose. I have met many new players who never received any pay warning. They want to RP and bring eve reality to nubs? Give a warning, set their standing and next time, pop! The fact I hear so many cases where it was just a gank without any request for payment or they say it after makes it difficult to believe their roleplay. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12512	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:47:36 - [85] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Rashan Shanalar wrote: Moreover Code utilizes the twitter of CCP Shadowcat to implicate that their activities are not only tolerated by CCP but are welcomed. Suicide ganking is perfectly legal according to the rules of the game and therefore tolerated by CCP. You don't need a picture with a dev holding a permit, in order to know that CCP does tolerate suicide ganking. If they did not tolerate this form of activity, they would just announce it as abuse and ban people doing it. Well said. it's just another case of "I think it's bad so everyone should think it's bad" going on in this thread, with a healthy dose of "think of the children". I always wonder about the emotionally weak players who complain about and dislike CODE (and Goons before them), if they have that hard a time with people playing a game like that on the internet, what kind of sheltered life must they have lived? They sure as hell don't want to step foot in my RL neighborhood lol. I felt the same during the grr goons era when listening to people who wouldn't lift one digital finger to oppose goons in this video game but would campaign against them at every turn (asking ccp for nerfs) on forums and social media. I mean, how panzified is that? I just shoot goons when I see them on overview, problem solved. Same with CODE, they are so easy to ignore it must take an especially sensitive and hapless player to be affected by them. CCP made a game about freedom. Not just freedom for "good people" but freedom for everyone. The cost of freedom is dealing with some people who will use that freedom to do things others don't like. Unlike in real life, you can actually just shoot people you don't like.
Salvos Rhoska 1532	Posted - 2015.09.29 14:58:26 - [86] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- For only the most discerning and elite agent of all, to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) PvE v PvP
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 663	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:08:05 - [87] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: . CCP made a game about freedom. Not just freedom for "good people" but freedom for everyone. The cost of freedom is dealing with some people who will use that freedom to do things others don't like. Unlike in real life, you can actually just shoot people you don't like. Thing is, there are multiple ways to fight back. It isnt the gank, but the lack of concequence. I did not, and do not like goons solely due to the psychological way they interacted. But never did I fault them for play. Same with code. I have nothing at all against the criminality of it (in game, ganking, protection racket, etc. 10m per year? Hell they are losing isk and an easy cost. Very well played. However, enacting their actions do lack any weighted concequence so many join code for willy nilly grief play. There are different ways. People fight when they have something or a reason to fight for. Or they pack up and leave. People do not fight back because they avoid those who have reason or care to fight. The rest? Well as many say. Eve is a game. Many fun games out there. I have even recommended at times to peeps that eve is not for them. I give an honest and unobjective view, and some people want sandbox, but just want a light casual play. Their sub dollars are no different than anybody elses. And light casual carebear play doesnt hurt eve. So lets tweak crimewatch so objective of gankers and the carebears work out. It is why my regular proposal for war decs by system. Means is cheap to dec the fringes, control the best mining spots, exploration etc in highsec, but makes it a playstyle and not just grief play. Increase concequenses and time to fix sec status. Do the crime, do the time. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. 14549	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:21:12 - [88] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Thing is, there are multiple ways to fight back. It isnt the gank, but the lack of concequence. Get this into your head. Ganking is the ONLY playstyle that does have mechanical consequences attached to it. It does not need any more merely because your kind fails so hard at fighting back. Consequences are for players to enforce. Your failure to do so is not indicative of anything broken in the game, merely something wrong with your attitudes. Lastly, you can talk about adding more "consequences" to the way I play the game when there are any "consequences" attached to you merely for engaging in your playstyle at all. Quote: Do the crime, do the time. You know that, in EVE Online, capsuleers are literally gods? Rules don't apply to us, and the regular people just try to stay out of our way and/or take our money. They literally do not care what we do to each other. They consider themselves lucky that the Yulai Accords still hold, for that matter. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 126	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:23:36 - [89] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: I have even recommended at times to peeps that eve is not for them. I give an honest and unobjective view, and some people want sandbox, but just want a light casual play. Their sub dollars are no different than anybody elses. And light casual carebear play doesnt hurt eve. So lets tweak crimewatch so objective of gankers and the carebears work out. And you can still enjoy light casual play, but you need to accept that the game is a sandbox and abide by its rules and mechanics. Just because you want to play the game casually, does not mean that you get a free pass on learning the game rules or how its mechanics work. Also, how is a gankers sub money any different from a carebears? You need to understand that the road goes both ways. If you change suicide ganking too drastically, then you might see a decrease in subs from people who see this play style as enjoyable. As Jenn aSide pointed out, the game gives freedom to both "lawful" and "unlawful" activites. There are plenty of consequences associated with ganking, in regards to sec status mechanics. While the risk of losing a mining ship is really not that big. You can easily find a quiet mining spot, for that casual mining. And if you want to get serious with your mining, you will join a null corp where there are no CODE agents to being with.
Salvos Rhoska 1532	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:28:11 - [90] - Quote Notice how some entitled individuals ignore the actual content produced into this thread. BUT DO NOT BE DISMAYED! That means MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU! Supplies have not yet run out and bidding is still open! NOW is your opportunity to avail yourself of these excellent endorsement products! Salvos Rhoska wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- For only the most discerning and elite agent of all to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) PvE v PvP
Bellatrix Invicta New Order Logistics CODE. 593	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:33:00 - [91] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Notice how some entitled individuals ignore the actual content produced into this thread. BUT DO NOT BE DISMAYED! That means MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU! Supplies have not yet run out and bidding is still open! NOW is your opportunity to avail yourself of these excellent endorsement products! Salvos Rhoska wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- For only the most discerning and elite agent of all to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) And people say we are attention whores. If you think you've won, think again. The CODE always wins.
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Salvos Rhoska 1532	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:42:32 - [93] - Quote Bellatrix Invicta wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Notice how some entitled individuals ignore the actual content produced into this thread. BUT DO NOT BE DISMAYED! That means MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU! Supplies have not yet run out and bidding is still open! NOW is your opportunity to avail yourself of these excellent endorsement products! Salvos Rhoska wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Official CODE. merchandise for sale when? ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- For only the most discerning and elite agent of all to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) And people say we are attention whores. I guess you, I, WE, are the same then! We all endorse player created content! I assure you, my licenses and UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE are as valid as the rather less useful laminated version issued by another. Mine are BETTER! PvE v PvP
Trix Andrard World Traders Guild Channel 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 15:53:55 - [94] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: It is always a dangerous game to show support for a certain player group. This case however is just nothing more than having fun and relates to any fanfic or other form of fun and unique OOC sport. The article does not show favoritism to the action, or the corp, but the fact that the players went out of their way and made a real item for something they do in sport on the game. CCP has shown the same thing for individual players and unknown people throughout the history of eve. The fact that it is in this case related to in game events does not come into a factor of... THAT PERMIT IS COOL If that was true, it would not be the first time.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 665	Posted - 2015.09.29 16:43:54 - [95] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Markus Reese wrote: Thing is, there are multiple ways to fight back. It isnt the gank, but the lack of concequence. Get this into your head. Ganking is the ONLY playstyle that does have mechanical consequences attached to it. It does not need any more merely because your kind fails so hard at fighting back. My kind? You mean those of us who excel at conter and evasion? Somwbody whose corp would openely mine during hulkageddon and profit from the market effects? Yeah, is a consequence if cheap fit on an insured hull with easy to fix standing hit can be called such. Concoed is not a consequence. It is just a business expense. Accounted, budgeted and paid. A consequence is something mission runners face. Missions for one agent will knock down standings with other factions. Consequences themself wont change, just make it more lasting Eve is a game, therefore it is a business. It also has the versatility to bring a balance that would keep ganking viable, while at the same time making it a deeper, and more engrossing content for both the gank and the carebear. Quote: You know that, in EVE Online, capsuleers are literally gods? Rules don't apply to us, and the regular people just try to stay out of our way and/or take our money. They literally do not care what we do to each other. They consider themselves lucky that the Yulai Accords still hold, for that matter. Rules do apply. Cause it is a game that needs rules to ensure that a new player base doesnt decide to play something else cause said something is more fun. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Rashan Shanalar Tanaka Industries Inc. 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 16:55:24 - [96] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Suicide ganking is perfectly legal according to the rules of the game and therefore tolerated by CCP. You don't need a picture with a dev holding a permit, in order to know that CCP does tolerate suicide ganking. I never argued against the legality of ganking or its functionality as an important gameplay variable. On the contrary I explicity stated that CODE and Ganking have their valid place in EVE. Maekchu wrote: [quote=Rashan Shanalar] What Erotica 1 did with the Bonus Room and what the usual CODE agent does is not the same. You cannot directly compare them like that. My argument at no point directly compared the average CODE agent and his actions to that of Eroica1. Allow me to clarify my argument for you: CCP marks activities like the BonusRoom as unacceptable and bans player en masse for participation. CODE publishes a statement stylizing those banned players as martyrs on the one year anniversary of the bans. A CCP employee makes a twitter post giving positive publicity to CODE. CODE uses this post as testimonial to push its agenda. CCP does not react. Declaring the BonusRoom as unwanted activity in the game and giving positive publicity to CODE right after it published a declaration defending these very activities is paradox unless CCPs position about the BonusRoom changed. Even more condensed: - (a AND -a) This has been know for a couple of Millenia now.
Milleonia Brundor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 17:04:06 - [97] - Quote Amyclas Amatin wrote: What we need next is a human face to put on James 315... here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89068505/james.png
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 127	Posted - 2015.09.29 17:14:01 - [98] - Quote Rashan Shanalar wrote: Maekchu wrote: Suicide ganking is perfectly legal according to the rules of the game and therefore tolerated by CCP. You don't need a picture with a dev holding a permit, in order to know that CCP does tolerate suicide ganking. I never argued against the legality of ganking or its functionality as an important gameplay variable. On the contrary I explicity stated that CODE and Ganking have their valid place in EVE. Maekchu wrote: [quote=Rashan Shanalar] What Erotica 1 did with the Bonus Room and what the usual CODE agent does is not the same. You cannot directly compare them like that. My argument at no point directly compared the average CODE agent and his actions to that of Eroica1. Allow me to clarify my argument for you: CCP marks activities like the BonusRoom as unacceptable and bans player en masse for participation. CODE publishes a statement stylizing those banned players as martyrs on the one year anniversary of the bans. A CCP employee makes a twitter post giving positive publicity to CODE. CODE uses this post as testimonial to push its agenda. CCP does not react. Declaring the BonusRoom as unwanted activity in the game and giving positive publicity to CODE right after it published a declaration defending these very activities is paradox unless CCPs position about the BonusRoom changed. Even more condensed: - (a AND -a) This has been know for a couple of Millenia now. I understand your logic, I just don't think it is the case here, that CODE or CCP has been working together to promote anything in particular. The argument can also be made, that CCP only endorses CODEs typical suicide ganking activities, since the memorabilia that that was included in the photo was a mining permit. Something specifically connected with CODEs usual ganking activities and not rare cases of "Bonus Room" games. My point was basically, that I think we are digging very deep, if we are trying to somehow connect a photo of a CCP employee with an IRL mining permit and CCP changing their view on the Bonus Room. But yes, if CCP finds this a problem I am sure they will investigate the situation. But from past experience, we at least know, that if someone actually try to do activities resembling the original "Bonus Room", then these accounts will be banned. From this, I think it is fairly clear that CCP is fine with normal ganking, but will strike hard on humiliating games like the "Bonus Room".
Ian Morbius 275	Posted - 2015.09.29 17:19:56 - [99] - Quote All CCP Dev should have a New Order Mining Permit. Nice keepsake. Hey, it's better then keeping all those old development company logo polo shirts. Over the year, those things will take up a lot space. For us, we keep a fold on all published advertising on our present/past products. Use the old polo shirts to wash our cars with. Reality has always been too small for the human imagination. We're always trying to transcend. Brenda Laurel
Sylvia Austrene Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 11	Posted - 2015.09.29 18:17:05 - [100] - Quote It is threads like this that remind me of how much I miss Dinsdale Pirannha's posting.
Trix Andrard World Traders Guild Channel 1	Posted - 2015.09.29 19:06:26 - [101] - Quote It is threads like this that should make many people stop whining about CCP and drop to their knees giving thanks that CCP does not simply get rid of them like every other devs from other MMOs would. *Carnal rule of gun trade: Never pick up a gun and join the costumers.*
Xearal KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 947	Posted - 2015.09.29 22:44:55 - [102] - Quote So where do we get those laminated ones? I want one of those, just so I can show off! Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Milleonia Brundor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.09.29 23:30:03 - [103] - Quote Xearal wrote: So where do we get those laminated ones? I want one of those, just so I can show off! I agree, only moreso.
Justa Hunni State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2015.09.30 04:38:28 - [104] - Quote deleted
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 918	Posted - 2015.09.30 05:18:47 - [105] - Quote ITT: Carebears mad that CODE is more relevant than them and they know that they will never ever be relevant by pressing F1 in that nth Damsel in Distress mission, AFK mining, AFK autopilot hauling or perma station trading their entire EVE life. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 673	Posted - 2015.09.30 05:44:43 - [106] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: ITT: Carebears mad that CODE is more relevant than them and they know that they will never ever be relevant by pressing F1 in that nth Damsel in Distress mission, AFK mining, AFK autopilot hauling or perma station trading their entire EVE life. The sad part is the lack of differentiation between carebears and newbs. Said before, and said again. New player, learning game gets ganked, etc as a new player without knowing mechanics. Says this is stupid and move on. Too bad that doesn't determine a good or bad player. Somebody with excellent pvp skills might leave cause ganking is not what they had in mind when they heard pvp. Have actually heard that before. Or leave cause it doesn't seem fun. Who stays? People who already know what eve is about, or people who just want to gank which does not make for good fights. PvP carebears so to speak. Had a little debate with a pvp carebear. They killed a bunch of nubs as a pvper, I led massive fleets while being a pver. Shame when a PvE/highsec player is able to be more relevant, do more, and influence more. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Ima GoodGirl Black Ballers 118	Posted - 2015.09.30 05:57:12 - [107] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Said before, and said again. New player, learning game gets ganked, etc as a new player without knowing mechanics. Says this is stupid and move on. Any number of individual scenarios are possible to imagine and there would be someone who fits into it. New player, learning game doesn't get ganked, doesn't really get into the game. Says this is stupid and moves on. New player, learning game gets ganked, etc. as a new player without knowing mechanics. Decides to ask, makes social contacts. Loves the game and stays. New player, learning game gets ganked. Gets mad. Never had such an emotional response to a game before. Falls in love and starts pvp himself. Stays with the game. Etc. Individual stories don't really mean much, other than being individual stories. Unless backed by data, they certainly don't represent any sort of general case. CCPs data for example suggests that only a small percentage of new players get ganked and there is a correlation that those that do are more likely to stay with the game than if they weren't ganked.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 919	Posted - 2015.09.30 06:05:55 - [108] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: ITT: Carebears mad that CODE is more relevant than them and they know that they will never ever be relevant by pressing F1 in that nth Damsel in Distress mission, AFK mining, AFK autopilot hauling or perma station trading their entire EVE life. The sad part is the lack of differentiation between carebears and newbs. Said before, and said again. New player, learning game gets ganked, etc as a new player without knowing mechanics. Says this is stupid and move on. Too bad that doesn't determine a good or bad player. Somebody with excellent pvp skills might leave cause ganking is not what they had in mind when they heard pvp. Have actually heard that before. Or leave cause it doesn't seem fun. Who stays? People who already know what eve is about, or people who just want to gank which does not make for good fights. PvP carebears so to speak. Had a little debate with a pvp carebear. They killed a bunch of nubs as a pvper, I led massive fleets while being a pver. Shame when a PvE/highsec player is able to be more relevant, do more, and influence more. Baby seal clubbing is a legitimate gameplay in EVE m8. Also carebears are more of a mindset than gameplay(although most carebears stay in HS doing your usual PvE stuff). For example I did something stupid like afk autopilot from Jita to Prism as a month old newbie(I bought a PLEX sue me I didn't like the highsec mission grind) and got ganked by by enemy FW milita camping Lituria. I didn't cry on the forums asking for anything in the vein of nerfing gankers, calling the people who ganked me that they have all the mental illnesses I can think of nor did I make a blog post about my loss that spans the great wall of china and I never did threaten them or their family with iRL violence(looking at you afk miners) because they ganked 1/3 of my net worth at the time. No I just asked my corp ceo(god bless you hope you get better) about how I died and how I can avoid it. Told me to make a neutral jita alt to avoid ganks and use red frog for high sec hauling to avoid the tediousness of hauling. Yes I did that as a month old newbie who keeps dying while learning in condors in FW. Any carebear wouldn't have done that and just say "WUHH CCP PLZ HOLD MY HAND WUHH". Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 673	Posted - 2015.09.30 06:28:25 - [109] - Quote Ima GoodGirl wrote: Any number of individual scenarios are possible to imagine and there would be someone who fits into it. New player, learning game doesn't get ganked, doesn't really get into the game. Says this is stupid and moves on. New player, learning game gets ganked, etc. as a new player without knowing mechanics. Decides to ask, makes social contacts. Loves the game and stays. New player, learning game gets ganked. Gets mad. Never had such an emotional response to a game before. Falls in love and starts pvp himself. Stays with the game. Etc. Individual stories don't really mean much, other than being individual stories. Unless backed by data, they certainly don't represent any sort of general case. CCPs data for example suggests that only a small percentage of new players get ganked and there is a correlation that those that do are more likely to stay with the game than if they weren't ganked. The hypotheticals is a real difficult position to play. People tend to use only the examples that most benefit them to prove their point, i am no exception. I think that was the point you were meaning with the individual stories? It isn't the gank that gets a person into it, it is the knowledge that does. I think it is very rare that an experience where a person thinks it is great to be attacked as newbs. it is more the explaination afterwards when asking what just happened. The reason why they might stay longer is now they know that eve has something different. That correlation data, it is something I see far to often in my business. People see numbers, but fail to account what is included. Misinterpretation of which typically is a loss where they see gain. People ganked are more likely to stay than if weren't. How does one prove that? you cannot. They have two numbers. longevity of people ganked, vs longevity of people not ganked. Now let us put it into a profit point of view, something I have never seen talked about in these numbers. Divide them, including trials into ganked and not ganked. What is average sub rate and total duration per player? Is the non subbing count of ganked players higher? Sure. You gained a year on one, but what is the point if it cost two years worth of short term subs. Doesn't pay the bills. I don't have any numbers handy, and not even sure if CCP has or has released said to consider it fact. But would fit logically. I lost an industrial when nub, autopilot when loaded. Seven years in game, and the fact I got ganked has zip to do with it. It was a few years before I left highsec. My dollars no different than a pvper's. Difference is I show new players and work with em. I fly an oracle commonly in the epic arc stuff to show them the big parts of eve. I bet my success on creating subs is a hell of a lot higher than a gankers. Yang Aurilen wrote: [quote=Markus Reese][quote=Yang Aurilen]ITT: EDIT: TL;DR version your opinion is **** and doesn't apply to everyone. Wait, so you are saying it is bad that players know in advance Eve is hostile and take preparations before they undock? You just said what I was saying exactly. Why is it every time I talk about giving the newbies knowledge to be able to counter ganks and scams right from the start, that is a bad idea? I mean it, why is it bad? The only person that knowledge negatively affects is the pvp carebear who is only good enough to kill an afk mining venture? Shoot, a one minute video saying criminals about, take guard, etc and done. Nobody can complain, they were warned. They see it and ask those questions right from the start. "What did that video mean about pirates attacking haulers/ganks/or however it is phrased?" Empowering newbs to counter must be a bad thing. I thought eve was a pvp game? should we promote it as a pvs, player vs station? To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Ima GoodGirl Black Ballers 118	Posted - 2015.09.30 06:38:47 - [110] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: That correlation data, it is something I see far to often in my business. People see numbers, but fail to account what is included. Misinterpretation of which typically is a loss where they see gain. People ganked are more likely to stay than if weren't. How does one prove that? you cannot. It's aggregate data, not looking at any one individual, but the overall trend (from 80,000 individual players, not alts). It's as close as you can get to being able to identify trends and the trend is that people ganked as new players have a higher retention that those that aren't ganked. Quote: They have two numbers. longevity of people ganked, vs longevity of people not ganked. Now let us put it into a profit point of view, something I have never seen talked about in these numbers. Divide them, including trials into ganked and not ganked. CCP have more numbers then that.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 673	Posted - 2015.09.30 06:54:24 - [111] - Quote Ima GoodGirl wrote: It's aggregate data, not looking at any one individual, but the overall trend (from 80,000 individual players, not alts). It's as close as you can get to being able to identify trends and the trend is that people ganked as new players have a higher retention that those that aren't ganked. Good catch, my bad....Late night posts, and I am bad for skipping words and misphrasing. Meant to say "Improperly interperated" and somehow it became correlated. You seem to have gotten what I was trying to say though. People only taking part of the data to create a conclusion. Quote: They have two numbers. longevity of people ganked, vs longevity of people not ganked. Now let us put it into a profit point of view, something I have never seen talked about in these numbers. Divide them, including trials into ganked and not ganked. CCP have more numbers then that.[/quote] kept the ol quote I said for clarification. I didn't mean that is all CCP had, by "they" was being in general. Correct term would have been, "There are" instead of "They have" But still is something I would like to see. If we break it into two groups, what does it look like? They say ganked retention is higher than not ganked, well that makes sense if somebody who would have left after three months never subs in the first place, but that only means they lost three months. I cannot see that as being a positive. To make any debate of value on the subject would need a total percentage breakdown of ganked vs not. What does the spread of subs duration per 100 ganked look like vs 100 non ganked including trials? Reason for that being is if ganking causes people to not even leave the trial stage, that lost revenue. Do these numbers exist anywhere? Does CCP look at the experiences of subbing trials and can they filter out alts? But back to my old statement. We should be promoting that hostility of the game right from the start. Have people on their guard. Make it exciting right from the world go. We havent actually changed the way it plays. Just the mindset of the players when they start. Edit: That is why I both love and hate CCP trailers. Since dominion, they have been doing a fairly good job of presenting a cinema style eve play. Late game, large fleet. Stuff I love. We cannot and should not rely on people being redditors, on forums etc to know about the game before that to get this info. There is a large number of people, in fact most eve players I know in real life, they don't even like reddit or forums... a couple of them in eve longer than I have been. Getting off topic, but the trailers. Issue is, it comes in all glory, but does not properly portray the lead up, the journey. Players get in and just think of that as just a bogus cinema trailer when they talk to people. The current website trailer? Fantastic. But I think "Causality" Trailer is probably the most correct and would do more for player retention if they expanded on that concept of promo. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 673	Posted - 2015.09.30 07:06:46 - [112] - Quote Been chatting this, but I think this video, or one along same concept should be standard part of character creation. Five years old, so many players now unless browsed old trailers probably haven't seen it. So going in, you can be ambushed, it is brutal, time is on your side, scams, theft, etc etc. It could only benefit. Players who cannot take hostility or just want to be sheltered and "left alone" won't stay anyways and might leave sooner. Players who are skilled will already know about ganks, and thefts, and scams, etc and from the start be moving to join or counter. Revved up that it is a psychological chess game. Causality to the thread topic, CODE. would no longer have as many easy kills and more people countering, but also more people wanting to join probably. But eve would also have more of those people who are in a game for fun and challenge foremost. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Sequester Risalo Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd. 165	Posted - 2015.09.30 10:59:12 - [113] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: ISD Atomic Dove wrote: Just chipping in here before anything horrible starts to flare up. Quote: 18. Impersonation of another party is prohibited. Forum users are strictly prohibited from impersonating any other party on the EVE Online forums. This includes but is not limited to ISD volunteers, CCP employees, CCP partners and other forum users. This also includes suggesting that an employee of CCP or an ISD volunteer will perform a task for you While there are being various lines being toed here I would ask you please err on the side of caution and remain posting well within rules of the forums here. Also while this will most certainly be a galvanizing thread, as is the norm with anything C.O.D.E. on our forums it seems, we would find it great if we could all avoid antagonizing other players style of play. Just who is impersonating who here, exactly? Is this a reference to the permit-holding Dev's player account? I know the discussion has moved on and beyond anything resembling logic. But I still wanted to clarify that ISD Atomic Dove did not consider this a case of "toeing the line" of impersonation but rather suggesting that an employee of CCP will perform a task for someone. That's why it was boldened. And for me and some others it's quite obvious what ISD Atomic Dove is alluding to.
Rekt Zero State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.30 11:20:04 - [114] - Quote That is the saddest thing I have ever seen in my life.
Trix Andrard World Traders Guild Channel 1	Posted - 2015.09.30 13:20:15 - [115] - Quote I almost feel my heart warm up by the so humanitarian way people express their selfishness by implying that people have to understand how to play or how to see the game to like it. It is so nice of people to actually care about others enough to imply they have to feel or think a certain way to learn how to do something. The problem with that is: Handling "honor and righteousness" is like handling nunchaks, which the power and effectiveness of the hit comes from what you have done before. Building a hit on a simple direct move will most likely bring harm to the one holding the weapon. People went so deep on building the EVE stereotype and EVE prejudices that they firmly believe that they hold some shred of truth or anything of value. They are used to times when people who played MMOs were people who belonged to a subculture that indeed had those values. Any discussion in EVE official forums that touches almost anything ingame soon become one issue only: Competition vs Contribution. Competition extremist advocates have the "I dont know from what dark hole they got that idea" that eternal and constant destruction and competition will in some way enhance the gaming experience for everyone. They go so far as to dictate what is boring, what is useful, what is right, and so on. Cooperation extremist advocates have the "oh so genial idea" that competition do not contribute to the hisec, and that people must be, for "reasons I cant find a way to translate in a resonable not whining form", protected from what they will inevitably face, in order to be prepared for that precise thing. In either end, there is one common idea: That you are entitled to know what is best for everyone else. Here there is no more discussions about one or other ideas, features, or specific topics. Any post become a factional warfare between the Competitive and Cooperative factions. Luckly I am a trader, and I dont give a damn about whos right or whos wrong, I just step out and sell my stuff. *Carnal rule of gun trade: Never pick up a gun and join the costumers.*
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 25204	Posted - 2015.09.30 19:54:28 - [116] - Quote Maekchu wrote: However, my experience usually shows it is the other way around. The conversation often goes like this: Code agent: "You need a permit to mine here according to the code. It will only cost you 10M per year." Miner: "** OFF!" or alternatively Miner: "I hope you and your family dies of cancer!" Indeed it does, for all you angry gankees out there; one of these things is far more acceptable than the other. Markus Reese wrote: I do agree that many CODE. targets are only harm to the game. They offer no benefit. On the contrary, they do offer a few benefits if you're willing to take advantage of them; less competition from lazy miners and haulers is good news for those that do pay attention, they create local demand for certain ships and modules too. Quote:** But CCP still leaves low security as being easy to fix. Yet many gankers don't bother to fix it and wear their sec status as badges of honour. Making sec status harder to regain won't curtail their activities. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Asveron Durr Vandanian Order 4	Posted - 2015.10.01 00:08:42 - [117] - Quote Agent Grzzly wrote: http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html?m=1 CCP Shadowcat has acquired her official New Order Mining Permit while attending EVE Berlin. Is this a good thing, demonstrating that the devs will show support for emergent groups in EVE that AREN'T EVE Uni or somerblink? Or is CCP Shadowcat overstepping a bit, by showing partiality toward one side of a player conflict? Its kinda of cool, but your line of questioning made me curious.....and i would not mind hearing the Mittani himself write a few words if i believe correctly he used to be a lawyer..... Anyway i asked that question you proposed to the father of a friend of mine in real life.....the laymen answer i recieved (laymen i say because i didnt record the discussion but will put here here the answer i got as i nterperted it at the time.) 1.) No, at least at this time CCP (whomever) is not overstepping anything. 2.) unless it becomes a widespread inferred problem/issue. 3.) if sufficient evidence could be garnered a possible lawsuit could occur by a customer paying for services and being denied services by a corporate sanctioned event that is suppose to have little or no corporate involvment. 4.) in the future, if such were to deemed possible then even he would advice said corporation to incorporate (basically sieze) such organization and physical items in as legal a manner as possible and then market both that organization and physical items as their property for production of sales. There was a lot more to that, and a lot of stuff i could not understand in the wording used to explain things to me.....but thats the gist of it....... I would find it hilarious if all CODE characters found one day they had to be made into NPC's or cease and desist activity so CCP could turn a buck. But then hey we could all get our own Permit at that time for $5 each......
admiral root Red Galaxy 3387	Posted - 2015.10.01 14:56:26 - [118] - Quote Asveron Durr wrote: I would find it hilarious if all CODE characters found one day they had to be made into NPC's or cease and desist activity so CCP could turn a buck. This isn't just any "one more nerf", it's the golden nerf! No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Hiply Rustic Aliastra Gallente Federation 307	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:24:51 - [119] - Quote Sobaan Tali wrote: Bagrat Skalski wrote: https://media.giphy.com/media/9Q249Qsl5cfLi/giphy.gif That's actually a little creepy. Not sure why, just maybe the way it loops I guess. Stop focusing on Zach's left arm and it'll probably get less creepy. IDK though, maybe that's really working for you. *Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied."* *EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.*
Hiply Rustic Aliastra Gallente Federation 307	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:32:08 - [120] - Quote Asveron Durr wrote: Agent Grzzly wrote: http://www.minerbumping.com/2015/09/papers-please.html?m=1 CCP Shadowcat has acquired her official New Order Mining Permit while attending EVE Berlin. Is this a good thing, demonstrating that the devs will show support for emergent groups in EVE that AREN'T EVE Uni or somerblink? Or is CCP Shadowcat overstepping a bit, by showing partiality toward one side of a player conflict? Its kinda of cool, but your line of questioning made me curious.....and i would not mind hearing the Mittani himself write a few words if i believe correctly he used to be a lawyer..... Anyway i asked that question you proposed to the father of a friend of mine in real life.....the laymen answer i recieved (laymen i say because i didnt record the discussion but will put here here the answer i got as i nterperted it at the time.) 1.) No, at least at this time CCP (whomever) is not overstepping anything. 2.) unless it becomes a widespread inferred problem/issue. 3.) if sufficient evidence could be garnered a possible lawsuit could occur by a customer paying for services and being denied services by a corporate sanctioned event that is suppose to have little or no corporate involvment. 4.) in the future, if such were to deemed possible then even he would advice said corporation to incorporate (basically sieze) such organization and physical items in as legal a manner as possible and then market both that organization and physical items as their property for production of sales. There was a lot more to that, and a lot of stuff i could not understand in the wording used to explain things to me.....but thats the gist of it....... I would find it hilarious if all CODE characters found one day they had to be made into NPC's or cease and desist activity so CCP could turn a buck. But then hey we could all get our own Permit at that time for $5 each...... With the exception of (1.), the father of this friend of yours...if he's a lawyer he's a god-awful one. If he's rummaging around for the family's dinner in the bins behind KFC because he's not mentally equipped to do anything else, then he's probably given you the best summation he can of the law as he understands it. *Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied."* *EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.*
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40401	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:54:03 - [121] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: They say ganked retention is higher than not ganked, well that makes sense if somebody who would have left after three months never subs in the first place, but that only means they lost three months. I cannot see that as being a positive. That cannot be inferred from the data that we as players have access to, however it can be easily reasoned that this scenario doesn't really apply. The main data that CCP have provided to us is in two packets: 1. 80,000 new player (not alt) accounts in their first 15 days (old trial account time) 2. Subscribed accounts From the first packet of data we know: Highest chance of retention: players subject to non-consensual pvp (ganked) Second highest chance of retention: players involved in consensual pvp (wardecs, FW, etc.) Lowest chance of retention: players not involved in pvp (here pvp specifically referring to pew pew kind) Clearly, all three groups have players that both stay with the game and that leave, it's just that those who get ganked in their initial steps into the game, have a higher rate of retention than those that don't. There's no casuality in the data that we have seen, however ganking, especially of newer players seems to be based (like a lot of ganking outside the really hot systems) on being a target of opportunity. So the risk of a new player being ganked is almost equal for every new player that actively plays the game and takes part in the tutorial missions and career agents. There doesn't appear to be anything special about the group of players that end up ganked, in comparison to those that otherwise play the game and are not ganked. So the data almost normalises itself in terms of the behaviour and there's nothing to suggest that those that get ganked were already more likely to subscribe to the game before they were ganked. It appears that ganking itself changes a players likelihood of subscribing and the result, when looked at by CCP, surprised even them, because it was the opposite of what many people assumed. After that, the second lot of data (players who actually subscribe) then looks at what types of play those players get into and whether they then stick with the game or leave; and the trend is that those that have rich experiences and social interaction stay with the game longer than those that don't. Markus Reese wrote: What does the spread of subs duration per 100 ganked look like vs 100 non ganked including trials? There doesn't appear to be much relevance to that, at least in what CCP are interested in (ie. turning new players into long term lovers of the game). From the data sets, it appears at the very least, that being ganked does not harm the chance that someone will subscribe (and actually increases the chance). After that, that initial experience isn't important anymore. It's what players do, or what the game provides for them that determines whether they stay; irrespective of whether they subscribed having been ganked, involved in consensual pvp or not ganked at all. CCP have used the term 'rich experience' as being their target to provide to newer players once they have subscribed. That includes things like getting them to join players corps, getting involved in fleet operations, using chat channels, getting into industry activities, trading on the market, etc. - all of the kinds of activities that involve interaction with others. So those two things: ganked group vs non ganked group and sub duration doesn't appear to be that important. It seems to be more: ganked = possibly more likely to subscribe initially long term subscription = meaningful and rich experiences in the game I think it was CCP Rise who once joked that the best thing CCP could do for retention was to arrange for every new player to be ganked (I might be ascribing that to the wrong dev and it was totally said off-hand as a joke). Clearly, non-ganked people (myself included) subscribe to the game, so I don't think we should look too deeply into what it all means, other than the simple conclusion that ganking is not a net negative to player retention. That's an assumption a lot of people make, but never validate whether their assumption is true. CCP have tried to validate it and come to the conclusion that it's not true. Marcus Reece wrote: Reason for that being is if ganking causes people to not even leave the trial stage, that lost revenue. Do these numbers exist anywhere? Does CCP look at the experiences of subbing trials and can they filter out alts? Yes they filter out alts. They have stated that. Exactly how, we don't know but guys like CCP Quant, the security team, etc. appear to be extremely smart and professional, so if CCP say that they are able to filter for individual players and not alt accounts, then I don't personally see a reason to challenge that statement. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Salvos Rhoska 1537	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:14:27 - [122] - Quote LICENCES ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- (Click above) Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- (Click above) For only the most discerning and elite agent of all to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) PvE v PvP Selling CODE licenses! 9.99mil isk! Bid for unique CODE neon edition special agent certificate!
Areen Sassel 66	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:43:41 - [123] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: I didn't cry on the forums asking for anything in the vein of nerfing gankers, calling the people who ganked me that they have all the mental illnesses I can think of nor did I make a blog post about my loss that spans the great wall of china and I never did threaten them or their family with iRL violence(looking at you afk miners) because they ganked 1/3 of my net worth at the time. Good for you; but there is a selection effect there. If you had left forever, we wouldn't be hearing from you now. FTAOD, I am not advocating for further nerfs to highsec aggression.
Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 13	Posted - 2015.10.02 14:36:26 - [124] - Quote Markus Reese wrote: Let's cut down on the ganking so we can milk money from people who will be leaving soon because they don't care for EVE Online. Is that more or less accurate? PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1613	Posted - 2015.10.02 16:24:56 - [125] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: LICENCES ---- AVAILABLE NOW! ---- (Click above) Introductory offer of only 9.99mil isk/per license!* DO NOT HESITATE! GET YOURS NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! (* Instruction manual for use of product included FREE to all bulk orders above 100 units) BUT WAIT! THAT IS NOT ALL! As a once in a lifetime offer, we proudly present: ---- THE UNIQUE "NEON EDITION" SPECIAL AGENT CERTIFICATE ---- (Click above) For only the most discerning and elite agent of all to proudly display in their place of business; as their single highest accolade and proof of professionalism! AVAILABLE NOW TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!* (* Frame sold separately.) Obvious RMT. Reported. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12547	Posted - 2015.10.02 16:27:14 - [126] - Quote I'm more concerned about a dude screwing up his bathroom out of hate of an imaginary group than I will ever be of CODE......
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1469	Posted - 2015.10.02 21:16:57 - [127] - Quote Salvos Rhoska, dude WTF? Have you lost your mind? The Tears Must Flow
Markus Reese Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 685	Posted - 2015.10.02 22:18:40 - [128] - Quote Agent Grzzly wrote: Markus Reese wrote: Let's cut down on the ganking so we can milk money from people who will be leaving soon because they don't care for EVE Online. Is that more or less accurate? Actually... Yeah. Pretty good summary really. Keep ganking, but integrated. If it gains more than loses, good. Eve still has all the hihsec crime, but would be a playstyle instead of just casual activity. Win for all parties, no? Sides, those players quite probably will care about it more than the gankers if given the chance. Is why they get upset and all that. To quote Lfod Shi The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Agent Grzzly New Order Logistics CODE. 15	Posted - 2015.10.04 19:08:33 - [129] - Quote You must be trolling, sir. PSA Ventures are Illegal in Highsec. High sec is player-owned space now. See www.MinerBumping.com Kugutsumen.
Thomas Gallant Rogue Clones Yulai Federation 30	Posted - 2015.10.05 07:03:44 - [130] - Quote I guess it shows how much CCP wants to support player organized... structuring? (perhaps not the right word, but players taking control of the game is the idea) CCP likes it when the players drive the game, and while it may seem like a bias toward Code and their activities, I can just as easily see CCP getting a "miners against the CODE" bumper sticker or such if an organisation like that existed.
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2015.10.05 07:57:57 - [131] - Quote I will say this for CODE. They know how to PR. A signature :o
Naburi NasNaburi A Little Peculiar borealis 372	Posted - 2015.10.05 08:36:27 - [132] - Quote Great to see that other people LARP EVE aswell.. and again it was in Berlin laughs

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