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Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 95	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:18:00 - [1] - Quote Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue? Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems? Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations? Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes? Why do you not set Nutes to Red when they agrees you and revoke there docking rights? Then blow the m away? I guess i don't under stand, why you don't let randoms live in your systems and tax them for living out of your stations, i mean if they mess up and **** on the owners shoes red them and lock them out of the station and pod them back to empire. I like the goon Free Port idea for null but i don't really like there EVERYONE BUT GOON is free port. I mean i know why the NPC null space is full of fail theres no one in charge its a FFA zone most of the time and any one can dock at the stations at any time ( no standing lock outs) Im guessing the reason is They don't want to have to police there systems( even if it would get them more Pew). I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2012	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:20:00 - [2] - Quote Because they're competing for resources. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Nikola Aivoras Lionheart Mining and Manufacturing 27	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:23:00 - [3] - Quote Tippia wrote: Because they're competing for resources. Pretty much this. And also neuts can turn into reds very easily, especially if there are lots of them. Or they can be spies for real reds.
Embrace My Hate Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:28:00 - [4] - Quote Tippia wrote: Because they're competing for resources. This and rules of engagement. If you let nuets into your areas the rules of engagement become a clusterfcuk. Way easier just to shoot anything not blue.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 106	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:31:00 - [5] - Quote Nikola Aivoras wrote: Tippia wrote: Because they're competing for resources. Pretty much this. And also neuts can turn into reds very easily, especially if there are lots of them. Or they can be spies for real reds. This and "proving" that the agressor was the neut not the blue is basically impossible. It's hard to keep track of failed ganks, other people will use your station while shooting it when none of the diplos are on... The list goes on and on. NRDS doesn't make for safe space to live (in sov space, I could see it [almost] working in NPC space). It also would seem to take away from the idea of creating your own Empire. And to add to the competing for resources issue, they're freeloading while doing so. The blues helped you take that space, upgrade it, etc.
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 95	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:31:00 - [6] - Quote Tippia wrote: Because they're competing for resources. Alliance Tec moons are a null Empires Income, and your the over lords you want to run That mining op today you tell the nutes we doing mining ops to day GTFO the belts and if they dont leave( THEN blow them up) its your empire you make the Rules. I know if i had a few systems i would run them under the everyone welcome so long as you can follow my rules Law, and if you cant keep to my Rules you will be dealt with. I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 195	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:33:00 - [7] - Quote It's also much more easy to manage and is clear for everyone involved. The more nuanced the system is, the more work it requires from the upkeeper and the harder it's going to be to keep everyone current on who they can and can't shoot. It's much more preferable to have a small clear list of players you don't shoot and just treat everything else as hostiles.
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 95	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:35:00 - [8] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: NRDS doesn't make for safe space to live (in sov space, I could see it [almost] working in NPC space). It also would seem to take away from the idea of creating your own Empire. And to add to the competing for resources issue, they're freeloading while doing so. The blues helped you take that space, upgrade it, etc. you can set taxes to what you want, there not free loading on your space. and to make it easy to see who attacked who CCP can add a X shot at X first to the KMs. I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Halcyon Ingenium Warm Holes 65	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:36:00 - [9] - Quote The taxes to be made from neuts do not override the cost of allowing them safe passage, as has been said. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 2013	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:41:00 - [10] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: Alliance Tec moons are a null Empires Income, and your the over lords you want to run That mining op today you tell the nutes we doing mining ops to day GTFO the belts and if they dont leave( THEN blow them up) its your empire you make the Rules. GÇªor, much easier: just always kill them since they're always competing for resources (and/or are up to no good, as others have mentioend). Quote: I know if i had a few systems i would run them under the everyone welcome GÇªat which point they wouldn't be GÇ£your systemsGÇ¥ for very long. People have tried this GÇö it only kind-of-worked (temporarily) because the space they were in was awful and wasn't even worth the effort to conquer. Quote: you can set taxes to what you want, there not free loading on your space. GÇªand to make that work, you have to set people to blue and shoo away neuts at every opportunity, thus answering your own question. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 144	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:45:00 - [11] - Quote Mirima feel free to ask CVA leadership how much money they've made by implementing a NRDS engagement policy.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 106	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:48:00 - [12] - Quote By the way, the NRDS guys are also the guys with the longest Red lists in the game. There's a reason for that.
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 95	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:52:00 - [13] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: By the way, the NRDS guys are also the guys with the longest Red lists in the game. There's a reason for that. because you get more stuff to shoot? I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 284	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:52:00 - [14] - Quote Because I'm a fan of interactive MMO's where people should communicate with each other. NRDS doesn't promote a community or group collaboration. I want my neighbors and people who I share my space with to know who I and my pilots are. NRDS doesn't support this, instead supports space where strange people can come squat on my couch. If you wanna use my space, use diplomacy and negotiation skills. It's not Rocket Surgery
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 97	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:52:00 - [15] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue? Some null alliances don't use NBSI. I can't go into UNITY's ROE here but suffice to say that it's more detailed than NBSI. Quote: Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems? We invested time, effort, and ISK into claiming a system (or a constellation/region, as the case may be), and we don't want neuts utilizing the resources naturally generated by system truesec level or generated by our I-Hubs. Moreover, neuts are assumed to be alts of reds, and we just can't abide by having such folks in our system tbh. Quote: Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations? See above, mainly. Quote: Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes? Any paltry sum that might be generated by this fee isn't worth allowing neuts into the system. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 516	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:54:00 - [16] - Quote because pubbies make lousy pets The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 275	Posted - 2011.12.10 20:55:00 - [17] - Quote Long story short, NRDS means that everyone out there has deal with the administrative trivia of verifying whether or not someone's a friendly neutral, or an unfriendly and future red neutral. NBSI just assumes that whomever hasn't been set blue yet, is in our space to shoot us. This means that all the administrative chores is left to the leadership and usually taken care of in advance, which means everyone else don't have to do this. Their lives are more stress-free.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Divine Power. Cascade Imminent 144	Posted - 2011.12.10 21:04:00 - [18] - Quote I did the NRDS thing while starting out. Nothin' like a neutral noobship piloted by an NPC corp member following your fleets around while defending your space. Or competing with neutrals for resources, only you lose 'em on ships defending the space while they keep on rattin' and mining. Or letting a neutral fleet wander around your space as they take their time to find the juiciest target they can find before 'becoming red'. Or really any and every exploit of a reactive engagement policy you can possibly imagine being used against you. But yeah, those 50K ISK docking fees, they really cover the 180M monthly cost of the TCU right?
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 106	Posted - 2011.12.10 21:06:00 - [19] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: RubyPorto wrote: By the way, the NRDS guys are also the guys with the longest Red lists in the game. There's a reason for that. because you get more stuff to shoot? Because everyone, their mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, her mother, and her mother, has shot at them.
nahtoh Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing 3	Posted - 2011.12.10 21:13:00 - [20] - Quote NBSI? its easy NRDS? Not worth the annoyance lvl.
Ziranda Hakuli Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens 2	Posted - 2011.12.10 21:23:00 - [21] - Quote Its Simple if you have not figured it out already. But i understand that the TEST folks need pictures http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2396/684eb4.jpg Mafia man. if your not part of the family in some fashion you get shot. unless you join Goons, Something Awful, TEST but thats a whole can of worms i rather not get into
Cipher Jones 143	Posted - 2011.12.10 21:28:00 - [22] - Quote Quote: Im guessing the reason is They don't want to have to police there systems( even if it would get them more Pew). NBSI is ***** policing your *** system you *** **. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Jovan Geldon Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 208	Posted - 2011.12.10 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote Please learn the definition and correct utilization of the following terms before posting on the internet again: 1. Spell Checker 2. Space Bar 3. Shift Key 4. Google (verb) 5. Logic
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 286	Posted - 2011.12.10 22:15:00 - [24] - Quote NBSI is done for convenience? So are high sec missions and incursions.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 275	Posted - 2011.12.10 22:17:00 - [25] - Quote I'm looking for a point here.
Terminal Insanity Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression 148	Posted - 2011.12.10 22:29:00 - [26] - Quote Because its my system and you don't have permission to trespass on my property. Trespassers will be shot on sight.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 106	Posted - 2011.12.10 22:42:00 - [27] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Because its my system and you don't have permission to trespass on my property. Trespassers will be shot on sight. Sounds like your Agression isn't entirely unprovoked.
Information Agent Apparently Miners 20	Posted - 2011.12.10 22:43:00 - [28] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue? Anything not 'Blue' is an unknown quantity, could be a hotdrop alt, could just be a passing random pilot, most times its a cloaky mouth breather though. Mirima Thurander wrote: Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems? Same as above question, its a matter of keeping the space you own/worked for free of unwanted guests. Also carebears (pvp alts funding their mains) and indy types (for producing ally ships) don't do their thing very well even when escorted by a pvp element when theres an unknown pilot flying around. Mirima Thurander wrote: Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations? Would you want a stranger in your house? Potential enemy alt buying all the stuff in station and reselling to create annoyance. Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes? Same as above, even though iskies could be made from them the amount prolly wouldn't justify the hassle of having randoms in your systems. Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you not set Nutes to Red when they agrees you and revoke there docking rights? Then blow the m away? Why go to so much effort when you can 'blow them away' while they are neutral without having to fiddle with standings for every pilot that shows up?
Hauling Hal The Black Ops 29	Posted - 2011.12.10 22:51:00 - [29] - Quote Think I've got this one sussued. You've asked the following questions for null sec alliances operating under the NBSI rules: Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue? Not blue = treat as red Mirima Thurander wrote: Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems? Not blue = treat as red Mirima Thurander wrote: Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations? Not blue = treat as red Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes? Not blue = treat as red Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you not set Nutes to Red when they agrees you and revoke there docking rights? Then blow the m away? Not blue = treat as red
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1282	Posted - 2011.12.11 00:18:00 - [30] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue? Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems? Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations? Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes? Why do you not set Nutes to Red when they agrees you and revoke there docking rights? Then blow the m away? 1) Neutrals are potential threats. 2) Neutrals are potential threats. 3) Neutrals are potential threats and playing docking games with them while pinging every director/diplomat to set them red isn't fun. 4) Neutrals are potential threats, and nothing would stop them from hauling ore out to empire anyway. Nobody mines in nullsec, they kill rats - we don't want to compete with neutrals for resources in our space. 5) Because we prefer to skip to the chase and kill them, and they are potential threats.

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