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Quin'gan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:20:00 -
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Ask yourself the question:
Why would any 0.0 entity ever allow a freeloader, comming to leech on your system?
Where are YOUR arguments for beeing allowed into any 0.0 space, if you are not having sov there?
Freeloaders plex, rat, hunt officers... basicly taking the cream of 0.0 without making the sacrifices or efford for belonging in 0.0
And, any neut could have a cyno/covert cyno fittet... witch is a major threath to your own capital ships or logistic support.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
242
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Because they're competing for resources.
Tippia wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Alliance Tec moons are a null Empires Income, and your the over lords you want to run That mining op today you tell the nutes we doing mining ops to day GTFO the belts and if they dont leave( THEN blow them up) its your empire you make the Rules. GǪor, much easier: just always kill them since they're always competing for resources (and/or are up to no good, as others have mentioend)..
Here is a clear case on just the same page but I have seen threadnaughts where Tipsy displays what I am beginning to think is a compulsion to repeat themselves until people agree or give up.
Ideas and stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Against ALL Authorities
8
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Posted - 2011.12.11 01:20:00 -
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What is a nute? |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
107
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Posted - 2011.12.11 01:23:00 -
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Ascendic wrote:What is a nute?
I think it's some sort of Nuller (whatever that is) |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.11 01:28:00 -
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Because I said so son. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
209
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Posted - 2011.12.11 01:38:00 -
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Because you never know whether that neutral ratting Raven has a cyno in his last highslot and a red fleet on a titan few systems away.
Nullsec would be much more open to neutrals if there was an in-game way to prove that you actually are a neutral, and not an alt of someone hostile. Assuming innocent until proven guilty only gets people killed. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
275
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Posted - 2011.12.11 02:15:00 -
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Ascendic wrote:What is a nute?
A female mute. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
13
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Posted - 2011.12.11 02:29:00 -
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I am bad at not double posting. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
13
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Posted - 2011.12.11 02:29:00 -
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Quote:Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue?
Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems?
Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations?
Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes?
Why do you not set Nutes to Red when they agrees you and revoke there docking rights? Then blow the m away?
Alt spies.
Many 0.0 entities already do allow people access to their space. They're called "renters" and they're usually given sovereignty over a small sector of space and protection from the big boys in exchange for fees. However, renters are established corps and alliances, not random hobos in NPC corp because...alt spies. |
Midori Tsu
Evolution
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.12.11 03:20:00 -
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You seem to be highly misinformed.
I live in nullsec. I Don't always shoot everything thats not blue. I don't care about neutrals. Think you have your numbers wrong, there are somewhere around 318 dockable stations in nullsec, thats more than 1%. See pre dominion providence for your answers to your last two questions.
And you are dumb, NPC null is better than sov null. Same isk, less of an upkeep. Also amazing for pvp. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2011.12.11 03:27:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue?
Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems?
Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations?
Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes?
Why do you not set Nutes to Red when they agrees you and revoke there docking rights? Then blow the m away?
Alt spies. Many 0.0 entities already do allow people access to their space. They're called "renters" and they're usually given sovereignty over a small sector of space and protection from the big boys in exchange for fees. However, renters are established corps and alliances, not random hobos in NPC corp because...alt spies.
So basically the fear that you would have an fight ??? I am confused..
Doesnt matter anyway...
You can actually fly in normal hurricane all across north without meeting anyone... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.12.11 05:11:00 -
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Midori Tsu wrote:You seem to be highly misinformed.
I live in nullsec. I Don't always shoot everything thats not blue. I don't care about neutrals. Think you have your numbers wrong, there are somewhere around 318 dockable stations in nullsec, thats more than 1%. See pre dominion providence for your answers to your last two questions.
And you are dumb, NPC null is better than sov null. Same isk, less of an upkeep. Also amazing for pvp.
yep
it is like if i went on second life and raged where's the spaceships |
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
7
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Posted - 2011.12.11 05:34:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Why do you shoot everything that's Not Blue?
A neutral pilot is an unknown quantity. You do not know if this neutral pilot is potentially friendly to you, just passing by, or is a hostile pilot who'll warp scramble you and call in his buddies.
If you were to hold off any engagement until fired upon, you'd be at a severe disadvantage, especially if this neutral pilot has a fleet ready to come in.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Why is it you don't want Nutes in your systems?
For exactly that reason. A neutral pilot could be a hostile pilot trying to warp scramble you, or it could be a scout that is reporting on your every move.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Why is it in less your Blue you cant dock at 99% of null stations?
If they could dock, they could gain valuable intelligence on your operations, as well as gaining a safe haven from attacks. By denying them docking rights, you retain a tactical advantage.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Why do you not have docking fees for Nutes? And Min taxes for Nutes?
Docking fees must be kept relatively low for anyone to pay them. If they are too high, it'd be prohibitively expensive to use said stations, and no one would pay the fees as a result. Yet, even with low docking fees, the volume does not make up for the risk inherent in allowing neutral pilots in your stations.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Why do you not set Nutes to Red when they agrees you and revoke there docking rights? Then blow the m away?
This has been tried by various entities, in the NRDS policy (Not Red, Don't Shoot). The problem with this is that not only are you at a tactical disadvantage during the first engagement, but you're also forced to continuously update a standings list. The fact that it must be manually updated means that any attacker would have a certain window during which they'd be free to do as they wished.
That said, there are some alliances that do operate freeports. You are more than welcome to dock in our stations in Providence, for example.
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Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate
True Reign
96
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Posted - 2011.12.11 05:52:00 -
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so the main answer is its easier just to shoot ever one and live in your gated community's, and then complain about about not having targets to Pew.
it seams counter productive in getting more people to come to null, you say you want more people out there but then on the other hand your actions clearly say STAY THE **** OUT
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
John Caesse
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
98
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Posted - 2011.12.11 06:57:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:so the main answer is its easier just to shoot ever one and live in your gated community's, and then complain about about not having targets to Pew.
it seams counter productive in getting more people to come to null, you say you want more people out there but then on the other hand your actions clearly say STAY THE **** OUT
Ugh, stop being dense.
If you start letting neutrals into your space, it will become worthless to your members very very quickly. No one will be able to mine, rat, run plexes, or really anything; because while some of the neutrals might be benign, the majority will be looking for blood, and the unprotected PVE ships of your members are juicy targets.
So instead of going out of the way to make yourself prey - your alliance becomes hunters. You assume that anyone who isn't an ally is an enemy, so you kill them. Now your members can mine, rat, plex... whatever, without being quickly killed in their own space.
Null is about cooperation and teamwork, especially in player-sov space. If you want the advantages of that space, you're going to have to join a corporation in the alliance that owns that space, otherwise they have no reason to allow you to exist there in peace. If you don't want to join a corporation and work with others, then 0.0 is going to be hard for you. NPC space is probably your best option; but even there everyone who isn't blue is going to try and kill you.
If its PVP you're looking for, then NBSI is at your advantage. How annoying would it be to jump into null and have no one fight you because they haven't set you red yet? You'd be hard pressed to find a fight without shooting a neutral yourself - and if you're fine with shooting neutrals, why should you assume the alliance whose space you're in should play by rules you don't?
The reality is, alliances aren't telling you to to "STAY THE **** OUT" - they're telling you that if you choose to enter their space, expect to be shot at. If you're not okay with that, you can either join them or their allies - or don't expect to go to their corner of New Eden. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
107
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:25:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:so the main answer is its easier just to shoot ever one and live in your gated community's, and then complain about about not having targets to Pew.
it seams counter productive in getting more people to come to null, you say you want more people out there but then on the other hand your actions clearly say STAY THE **** OUT
We go out hunting to pew. So we *gasp* open the gate, and go to somebody else's gated community, waltz through their wide open gate, and try to kill the people living there. If we were NRDS (per your nutso reasoning), there's a good chance they might be neuts to us, so we'd have to ignore them and go to the next community... still neut?... nurtz, can't shoot them either... keep going. Oh, other side of Eve, no chance they've been set red yet, time to fly back home and wait for a CTA.
That's what would happen if everyone were NRDS. No pew in 0.0
If only some people are NRDS, the NRDS people can never safely rat (or mine) because there's no way to tell a NRDS neut from an NBSI neut. So they never have any isk (or mins) to build fleets to defend their space, so they get shoved down and curbstomped by the NBSI guys, and most likely won't even have the isk to get proper reconstructive dental surgery. And then all you have left in Sov space is NBSI groups.
Hisec is what enforced NRDS looks like. Current 0.0 is what NRDS looks like after a few iterations. |
Long John Silver
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2011.12.11 14:44:00 -
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Most nullers live in null because they like PvP.
Long John Silver | Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll. |
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