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Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.23 08:23:00 - [31] Tachy problem was, I had to recently clear out my IE history and cache and stuff because of a problem and lost track of where the original went -- I went down about 20 pages and couldn't find it. I made a short cut on my desktop to this one so that won't happen again.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.23 11:15:00 - [32] Edited by: Tachy on 23/12/2006 11:15:55 There is a rudimentary search engine in the upper righthand corner thanks to google selling cheap search solutions. You can click on your portrait and look at the last couple of threads you posted in. Eve-search.com is pretty good too. One day this forum will be as useful as all those from the competition. ccp promised ... --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Jokim	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Dawne Xi Here are examples of places in the game where a one is clearly shown to indicate quantity. Would any of you "No Qty obviously means it's one" crowd please show me an example of an item, other than unpackaged items, where a quantity of one, does not accompany the icon or the text describing an item? Minerals: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/mineral.gif From a blueprint, describing what is produced from it: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/blueprint.gif Stackable items: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/stackableitems.gif Confirmation Screen when entering a contract: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/confirmation.gif I am anxiously awaiting your screen shots... Rofl, you owned em all there good stuff bet they are just children fearing one of their best ways to make credits is about to dissapear :) It is actually THEY who dont know how to play the game
Stakhanov Gallente Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:58:00 - [34] Boring... Such whines only come from fools betrayed by their own greed. It is common sense to double check the terms and content of contracts when large sums are involved. It only costs 10k to make a test contract with your friend or alt , and compare them. People buying hangar loads of megacyte like common ammo deserve what they got. Besides , there is no reason to use contracts to sell minerals instead of sell orders , think before you click buy.
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.25 23:33:00 - [35] And still no screen shots.... hmm
Evil RedEye Minmatar Visions of Evil	Posted - 2006.12.26 01:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Dawne Xi In the contract system there is a bug that is being exploited and offenders need to be reported for this. CCP needs to fix this bug to stop the exploitation. On contracts for items that have a quantity of anything other than one (1), the quantity is clearly shown with a "X #####" after the item shown in the "Offered Items" section of the contract. Any item that is a quantity of one (1), does not have it's quantity listed as "X 1" on the contract screen but does have it in the final confirmation window before the contract is accepted -- Only if you have not disabled this final warning message though. For some reason, if you are creating a contract, the quantity is shown for both quantity of one and greater than one, in the final confirmation window This is inconsistent and leads to confusion and needs to be fixed so all contracts display the same way. See images below for examples of this. Image of Quantity greater than one -> http://www.equo.org/eve/images/qty_gtone.gif Image of Quantity of one -> http://www.equo.org/eve/images/qty_one.gif Image of Confirmation Screen when setting up a contract -> http://www.equo.org/eve/images/confirmation.gif I have reported this in the Bug Reports and am wondering when CCP is going to put out the general warning to everyone exploiting this bug. See images above as examples (note the one that has no quantity listed but is advertised as a quantity of 30,000 and a price of 75,000,000 isk). And for everyone that is going to say "No quantity means it's a quantity of one" and it's the way the devs wanted it and all that stuff, need to explain to me why they think the devs bothered to put a x1 in the confirmation window when creating a contract .... I'll offer one for you. It's so you can't rip yourself off by mistakenly putting up more than one item when you intended to put up only a single item. It's to make it clear what you are setting up a contract for. Shouldn't the buyers be afforded the same consideration, by putting the x1 into the contract screen and not in a window that can possibly be disbabled? Someone please explain how this is an exploit?! Its quite simple within contracts.... If it says Mineral x 10,000 then there would happen, believe it or not, to be more than one of said mineral. If it says Mineral then there is only one unit of that mineral. Admittedly I was very nearly caught out by this but its quite easy to notice the obvious lack of "x #####"
Petrothian Tong	Posted - 2006.12.26 01:34:00 - [37] Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 26/12/2006 01:36:47 the only reason I can think of for them to fix it is to reduce the amount of scam contracts that are up.. (not easy to scam, so they dont bother ??) lets face it... in some regions, I dare say half or more of the contracts are mineral and bpo scams... sure, i would never fall for any of them (me being paranoid from days of UO..) but it gets annoying to look at the contracts and have to shift though the legit stuff from the many many many many scam contracts people put up...
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.26 03:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Evil RedEye Its quite simple within contracts.... If it says Mineral x 10,000 then there would happen, believe it or not, to be more than one of said mineral. If it says Mineral then there is only one unit of that mineral. Admittedly I was very nearly caught out by this but its quite easy to notice the obvious lack of "x #####" Evil RedEye you didn't read the original post did you? I'll repeat the last paragraph and perhaps you can offer an explanation for the inconsistency when setting up a contract. Originally by: Dawne Xi in Original Post Image of Confirmation Screen when setting up a contract -> http://www.equo.org/eve/images/confirmation.gif And for everyone that is going to say "No quantity means it's a quantity of one" and it's the way the devs wanted it and all that stuff, need to explain to me why they think the devs bothered to put a x1 in the confirmation window when creating a contract .... I'll offer one for you. It's so you can't rip yourself off by mistakenly putting up more than one item when you intended to put up only a single item. It's to make it clear what you are setting up a contract for. Shouldn't the buyers be afforded the same consideration, by putting the x1 into the contract screen and not in a window that can possibly be disbabled?
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.26 22:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Dawne Xi Here are examples of places in the game where a one is clearly shown to indicate quantity. Would any of you "No Qty obviously means it's one" crowd please show me an example of an item, other than unpackaged items, where a quantity of one, does not accompany the icon or the text describing an item? Minerals: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/mineral.gif From a blueprint, describing what is produced from it: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/blueprint.gif Stackable items: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/stackableitems.gif Confirmation Screen when entering a contract: http://www.equo.org/eve/images/confirmation.gif I found another one to go with this list http://www.equo.org/eve/images/multi_item_contract.gif
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:58:00 - [40] Guess I need to start bug reporting all those instances I've found clearly displaying a quantity of one (see my post right above this one for screen shots). From what I've heard in this thread, and others like it, when no quantity is listed it means there is one of the item in question, it's redundant, it junks up the display, it's unnecessary because an 8 year old can figure out that when there is no quantity, it means there is one of the object in question. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah and if I want my hand held I should go play WoW.
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.30 03:36:00 - [41] Making sure the thread doesn't die to help educate more about this bug.
M Dizzle	Posted - 2006.12.30 03:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Palitir if theres just a single item for display, it wont display the ammount.. if theres more than one it will show you the ammount, if it doesnt, then it might be a bug. But if theres only one, it will just show the picture of the one item, nothing more, nothing less. NO U _____________________________________________ I AM THE GREETEST
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:13:00 - [43] Hoping to educate more since this has sunk down quite a bit
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:36:00 - [44] yes but CCP staff 90% are on holidays atm wont be back until feb at earliest dont expect any fixes until then at least
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:46:00 - [45] Get over it and learn to use your eyes. It's not that hard to spot. -=====-
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.09 08:18:00 - [46] Originally by: MysticNZ Get over it and learn to use your eyes. It's not that hard to spot. Would that be in much the same way you used your eyes to read the post? Or did you even bother?
Ghan Tylous Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.01.09 08:29:00 - [47] And I thought that CCP had said that scamming was ok? --- Words without action is death to the nature of logic.
Saldun Zexu	Posted - 2007.01.09 08:47:00 - [48] It isn't scam. you have to pay attention. if not, is your fault. read well before accept. scam in EVE is GTC scam. rest - no.
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.09 08:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Ghan Tylous And I thought that CCP had said that scamming was ok? Originally by: Saldun Zexu It isn't scam. you have to pay attention. if not, is your fault. read well before accept. scam in EVE is GTC scam. rest - no. Did you two even read the post? I said nothing about scamming being wrong or not part of EVE. Go read the original post then make a comment.
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:13:00 - [50] I read the original post. This is not a bug. This is not an exploit. The proper solution would be to remove the x 1 designation while creating a contract. That will erase this inconsistancy that has your pants all in a bunch. Only if you are careless will you be taken in by this rather pathetic scam. There are at least 3 ways to detect it before you fork over your money. Failing to do any of the three is entirely YOUR fault, and whining (yes, whining is entirely accurate for how you are behaving) about it will change nothing. Personally, I wish it was harder to detect. People being screwed over by themselves gives me no end of amusement.
Robacz Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:51:00 - [51] It is not a bug or an exploit, but yes it is confusing for players who are not familiar with contracts. These players will not know that description showed on contract details can be faked and together with item icon lacking quantity information, they can be easily scammed. If CCP ever made any manual or documentation for new features, it would be different story, but since there is not even ingame help available, I think its valid request. But as Argenton said, there is a lot more serious issues with contracts which needs to be fixed. Lets hope next version will come sooner than in Kali2. ___________ Buying/Selling: Implants & Hardwirings Producing/BPCs: Mining Barges, BCs, Cruisers
Malicia Skirj	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:08:00 - [52] Edited by: Malicia Skirj on 09/01/2007 13:08:37 edit 1: Highlighting the part of Robacz post I was referring to. I don't actually disagree with anything in his post. The bit at the bottom about the pictures is in reference to Dawne's pictures of different items. Originally by: Robacz It is not a bug or an exploit, but yes it is confusing for players who are not familiar with contracts. These players will not know that *description showed on contract details can be faked and together with item icon lacking quantity information, they can be easily scammed. This is true....but...at the very end when you go to accept the contract one of those exciting little "ARE YOU SURE?" screens pops up outlining exactly* what it is you're receiving and how much of it regardless of what the description is. Anyone truly concerned will be reading that before making the contract final. There's absolutely no reason that final screen shouldn't alert someone that they're only buying one unit of something when they think they're buying more unless they've disabled that screen. But..if they're unwilling to read that it's kinda silly to assume they'd read anything else that might hint that they're about to get scammed. Caveat Emptor is a relatively well known phrase for a reason. Posting the pictures showing how one packaged item has a unit listed everywhere but in the finalized contract is a nice touch, but doesn't really change much. Apples, oranges and peaches are all similar fruits, but there's no reason for them to be consisten in every way because they're not the same fruit. Post pictures of unpackaged items with a 1 (in your inventory)...and post pictures of finished "single units of a single item" contracts with a 1 and without a 1...then it'd be inconsistent. As it is, every single unit item contract is the same in that respect. In other words, consistent.
Matori Kar	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:57:00 - [53] Nice to see all the scammers, scammer alts, and owners of scammer alts appearing in this thread Thank you OP Caldari: Don't have to worry about transversal, falloff/optimal, cap, tracking, how your damage type is being tanked,ship speed, the direction you are moving... etc. Easy Mode w00t!!
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:38:00 - [54] I can't fathom this one? I mean I understand how people got tricked by some of the escrow stuff. I'd never fall for it but I know not everyone is careful. But how is this one even a scam? It's not even remotely confusing. Even if you don't know "Megacyte" means one megacyte you obviously know it doesn't mean some specific number of megacyte that you are supposedly purchasing. It should be cleared up for the sake of consistency and because it's cleaner but basically this thread should be deleted for claiming to be about an exploit and bug and wasting my time. All in all I feel far more violated by the OP than I would be by a scammer who tricked me with this "scam".
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:46:00 - [55] Bug? No. I see nothing wrong with it. Sure i agree it could be done better, and more consistent, but there's so much more to fix before this. Originally by: Matori Kar Nice to see all the scammers, scammer alts, and owners of scammer alts appearing in this thread Thank you OP You, sir, are a fool. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:05:00 - [56] Quote: The difference here is, scamming legal in Eve, and THIS WAS AN INTENTIONAL DESIGN ASTHETIC. Great to know. Gonna get right on that mass game mail I was gonna send out pretending to be EVE staff and asking for account information. I wasn't going to....but I mean since scamming is legal and all..
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:42:00 - [57] Edited by: Dawne Xi on 09/01/2007 18:39:47 I call this a bug because I am giving the programmers / designers the benefit of the doubt that they are not stupid and must have simply overlooked including the quantity for a quantity of one, expecially since in the Dev blog that preceded Kali clearly shows a contract for an item of one showing the quantity. Here's a link to how the contract system started out http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=360 Perhaps that was an incorrect assessment on the intelligence of the Dev team, I'll not make this mistake in the future.
Dawne Xi Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:14:00 - [58] Edited by: Dawne Xi on 09/01/2007 19:11:33 Does everyone remember the threats to ban people who exploited the Escrow BPO / BPC confusion because CCP declared it a bug, a few patches back? I have been searching for information on exactly what was shown or not shown. I thought, though, that there was some way you could tell that something described as a BPO was a really a BPC or something like that, if you knew what you were looking at. Does anyone remember if this was true, and where it was exactly you had to know where to look? I can't recall, but if there was a way to tell that the advertised BPO was really a BPC, I am not sure this topic is too far removed from the BPC escrow scam of last year.
Nadarius Chrome Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:43:00 - [59] I think everyone understands the "No quantity means 1x" argument. It's true. Once you've spotted one of these scams you know that the description field is freeform, and that no quantity elsewhere means it's a single unit. This will (should) only catch anyone ever once. Even if only 10% of people click past the final confirmation stage without reading it then that's still 15,000 potential victims. I just did a search for Zydrine in The Forge. Couldn't find a single non-scam contract. Heck, one optimist thinks they can swap one unit of Zyd for an obelisk... My point is, the lack of numbers on a single-unit contract only benefits the scammers. I can't imagine why anyone would object to a simple fix that will affect nobody but scammers and people who simply haven't used the contract system before and don't know the "None means one" rule...
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Dawne Xi Edited by: Dawne Xi on 09/01/2007 19:11:33 Does everyone remember the threats to ban people who exploited the Escrow BPO / BPC confusion because CCP declared it a bug The difference is that was a bug while this is merely an arguably bad design feature. With the BPO/BPC thing there wasn't any way of telling the difference. With a single unit Contract there is. You might disagree with it's presentation but there's a clear, easy to understand and instantly verifiable method of telling how many items are in a Contract. Multiple methods in fact. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO

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