Hi

War declaration is a mechanism allowing for PvP interaction in empire space without facing CONCORD punishment or security status penalties. It allows you to hassle or get even with someone. You can even hire mercenaries to do the dirty job for you and they can use the wardec mechanism. And that's fine, it's part of the game, part of what makes it fun.

War declaration mechanism is abused. For some corps/alliance is it simply a way to circumvent the hi-sec security mechanisms, basically turning it into a big, highly populated null-sec zone.

Here are some real-time examples:

PIRAT alliance - 162 active wars and 53 pending wars
Guardians of the Galaxy - 110 active wars
Public Enemy - 12 active and 31 pending wars

There are others like Bad Neighbours, Forsaken Asylum, Marmite Collective and such. I'm positive there are more examples of this behavior.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the original idea behind this feature.
I think it's wrong and needs to be dealt with.

My suggestion is to limit the allowed number of CONCURRENT war declarations or active wars for a corp/alliance to a single digit number, like 3 or 5.

Thank you

You've people made your bed in Inferno, now you are laying in it rather than taking responsibility and admitting that maybe the changes that led to the problem were wrong you blindly call for more of the same nerfs.
It's hilarious.

"I" haven't made anything. I've been in the game for less then 6 months and this is my first feature request of any kind.
So don't generalize or jump into conclusions about things that aren't true.

I'm standing by my request. The people that are eager for PvP should be eager to jump into FW lowsec and show their skills there. The funny thing is I rarely see it on the killboards for people of the above mentioned alliances.

Another wardec thread? I guess it has been a couple days.

Mercenaries are suppose to be a thing. How could a mercenary group operate if they could only have a single digit number of clients at a time? Especially in a world where the majority of wars end up with the target just evading the whole time?

So, -1.

[quote=David Asanari][quote=Vimsy Vortis]
The people who are eager to not engage in PvP should be eager to dock up and wait because nowhere is it written that PvP is not to be done in HS.

Carebears get bored and quit the game so routinely that of course it's a different set of people every few years. They just consistentpy push the same short sighted ideas. The crap you're dealing with now is the result of your predecessors doing exactly what you're doing now. And when you've quit the game because carebearing got boring the next generation of carebears will complain about the crap you left them with.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the original idea behind this feature.

That people would use it as they saw fit?

You bet it was. It was intended to do only one thing. Remove the loathsome presence of Concord in highsec between two parties for a fee.

It does precisely that.

No, that's not what it does. In the abusive cases it removes the presence of Concord entirely for the corp/alliance.

And when you've quit the game because carebearing got boring the next generation of carebears will complain about the crap you left them with.

I'm pretty sure you can't prevent CONCORD from destroying you while illegally destroying a ship from an NPC corp so your argument is invalid. There is also no abusive usage of the wardec system btw.

No, that's not what it does. In the abusive cases it removes the presence of Concord entirely for the corp/alliance.

100+ concurrent wardecs has nothing to do with mercenary clients and everything with bypassing CONCORD for easy kills.

CCP Unifex restated the purpose of the war declaration system just prior to the release of inferno.

The purpose is "to allow somebody who's in a player corporation to declare war against any other player corporation for any reason they can think of."

There is no abuse happening. People are using the mechanic how they want to use it and it was designed to be used for whatever reason players want to use it.

Don't try and hide the fact that you want it to be changed because you personally dislike how other players use mechanics behind the idea that it is being used in a way not in line with some mystical idea of how CCP want it to be used. CCP want you to use mechanics however you want to use them.

I have the same right to request a change in a feature that's bothering me, lie the people who were bothered by drones and Ishtar, for example and asked for a nerf. I didn't like it, but it was nerfed for the balance of the game.

It's being abused the same way that gankers abuse the fact that CONCORD doesn't pod, for example.

I have the same right to request a change in a feature that's bothering me, lie the people who were bothered by drones and Ishtar, for example and asked for a nerf. I didn't like it, but it was nerfed for the balance of the game.

It's being abused the same way that gankers abuse the fact that CONCORD doesn't pod, for example.

E-mails were intended for people to communicate with each other. And then people started abusing it and spam is illegal or limited in many cases now. Same thing about wardecs. A perfectly good game mechanic that is abused and needs to be controlled.

Using the e-mail analogy, this thread is basically a group of "spammers" disliking the idea of restrictions on spam.

Hi-sec wardeccers and CODE gankers are the ultimate carebears of this game.

These activities have as much to do with PvP as a high school shooting.

No, that's still you, who want all your risk taken away because you can't be asked to be at your keyboard.

Reported. That's too far, even for carebear slime like you.