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darklegionca
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:28:00 -
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I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily? ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend. |
Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:29:00 -
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two completely different games.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:29:00 -
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They don't have near as many users on one server, nor do they have as many items per server as we do. ---
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:32:00 -
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I think the answers to this question could be several pages long, filled with technical details... but until a dev decides to explain it, im just going to go with the "because they are very different" reply. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:36:00 -
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Different games, different architectures, thus different downtime needs.
No MMO is the same under the hood.
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Nate D
Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nate D on 23/12/2006 10:40:24 I like this question... kinda... could care less about Wow... and if there wasn't a daily dt... I'd probably have died of an EVE binge already....
I think an awesome form of this question would be "Why does the cluster have to undergo downtime daily rather than weekly or monthly?"
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Cyn Scrapie
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:44:00 -
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I remember that Ultima Online once had daily one hour downtimes as well. Then they changed the database architecture and reduced this to some 15 minutes daily.
Given the number of chars and items on the Tranquility database, I consider the approx 45 minutes +/- 15 minutes CCP needs for the daily clean up as very efficient.
Cyn Scrapie
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Ishiko Tanaka
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:48:00 -
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WoW: 1 DT / Week that lasts for almost the entire day.
Eve: 1 DT / Day that lasts 45 minutes or so..
I'll take a daily DT over losing out an entire day.
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:49:00 -
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They also tend to apply small hotfixes and run database maintenance during DTs. -----
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darklegionca
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: darklegionca on 23/12/2006 10:50:53
Originally by: Ishiko Tanaka WoW: 1 DT / Week that lasts for almost the entire day.
Eve: 1 DT / Day that lasts 45 minutes or so..
I'll take a daily DT over losing out an entire day.
a whole day damn man thats sucky i would like to hear from a devs standpoint though ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend. |
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Redart
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.23 11:00:00 -
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EVE is MUCH more complex than WoW.
Nuff said.
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.23 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: darklegionca I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily?
does crappy wow servers hold 30000 ppl online in ONE server... think not.. so think about it...
wow < EvE
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Taaketa Frist
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.23 11:42:00 -
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Well lets put it this way.
World of Warcraft has a server which can hold a max of 3000 people I believe.
They have something ridiculus like 100+ servers (I can't remember the exact figure).
And each server has been optimised and bulit with the one purpose in mind. To support 3000 people only.
Eve is a cluster of servers which have on objective in mind. TO support as many people who want to connect, with the option to add in more support, making the Eve cluster in theroy unlimited in its capacitiy.
Thus when clean up happens each server in the cluster needs to tidy. Now of course CCP could down each server one at a time and then run the cleanup but have you ever restarted your pc because that just seems to fix whatever problem you are having at the time? I know I have it works pretty darn well. --------------
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.23 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: darklegionca I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily?
does crappy wow servers hold 30000 ppl online in ONE server... think not.. so think about it...
wow < EvE
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.23 11:48:00 -
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eve is so much bigger, I have 35k of items in one station alone, i dont think most wow players have nay where neaer that much stuff. ----------------------------------------------
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.12.23 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ishiko Tanaka WoW: 1 DT / Week that lasts for almost the entire day.
Eve: 1 DT / Day that lasts 45 minutes or so..
I'll take a daily DT over losing out an entire day.
Wow downtime is around 6-8 hours. usally very early Wednesday mornings
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DarkPanther
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.23 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Taaketa Frist
World of Warcraft has a server which can hold a max of 3000 people I believe.
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Not even close lol
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.23 12:04:00 -
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You also have to rememeber that it's perceived downtime.
WoW/UO/etc. all the sharded servers have downtime, but more often than not people have characters on other servers, so they just login to an alternate shard and feel they haven't lost out.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.23 12:09:00 -
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the problem with eve is start up 10 minutes now acquiring bulk data im running a 512k connection 0 since kali this issue others are reproting CCP needs fixing
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Raven
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Posted - 2006.12.23 12:16:00 -
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The devs did try to change this a few years back. However after about 30 hours the server started to lag so badly that it had to be rebooted. After that, then the devs haven't even mentioned the idea in public.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.23 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: darklegionca I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily?
Cos this is EVE. An hours DT a day ensures that some of us manage to eat, shower and catch 40 winks. It¦s not just for the servers
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Jokim
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ishiko Tanaka WoW: 1 DT / Week that lasts for almost the entire day.
Blatant lie
WoW downtime is a few hours in the middle of the night for its respective region
1. its a few hours a week 2. its 3-5 am for the timezone its located in, so it doesnt interfer with gaming
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Xorus
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Amaron Ghant
Originally by: darklegionca I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily?
Cos this is EVE. An hours DT a day ensures that some of us manage to eat, shower and catch 40 winks. It¦s not just for the servers
I like thisanswer so lets roll with it :P
But seriously from what i understand of PC maintenance the cluster has a huge ammount of use and data is written and read from it at a huge rate now as lots of people will know what happens to a normal PC with HDD fragmentation it slows the whole thing down, on a standard PC this takes a while to happen because of the amount of data written and read, on the TQ cluster this happens a lot faster and requires preventative measures to keep the server from falling apart, i doubt it will ever change and theres no real reason and as the guy i quoted mentioned its the only time we get to sleep :P ---
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Saldun Zexu
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:15:00 -
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what about DAoC? this game has zero DT.
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Handapanda
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: darklegionca I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily?
does crappy wow servers hold 30000 ppl online in ONE server... think not.. so think about it...
wow < EvE
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/eu_realmstats.php?sort=Total&PHPSESSID=d2e21aa6679081619d3e3c8899f07c1d
Think before you speak, and that is not even everyone that plays, probaly more on some servers, blizzard haven't given out official stats on the realms...
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Xorus
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Handapanda
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: darklegionca I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily?
does crappy wow servers hold 30000 ppl online in ONE server... think not.. so think about it...
wow < EvE
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/eu_realmstats.php?sort=Total&PHPSESSID=d2e21aa6679081619d3e3c8899f07c1d
Think before you speak, and that is not even everyone that plays, probaly more on some servers, blizzard haven't given out official stats on the realms...
TBH it looks more like a list of all accounts for each server as i don't see anything that says PCU or the such ---
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xorus
Originally by: Handapanda
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: darklegionca I know we have daily downtime to clean up files and other stuff, but on the wow servers they only do it once a week, unless i didnt read it right why couldnt we have a weekly downtime instead of daily?
does crappy wow servers hold 30000 ppl online in ONE server... think not.. so think about it...
wow < EvE
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/eu_realmstats.php?sort=Total&PHPSESSID=d2e21aa6679081619d3e3c8899f07c1d
Think before you speak, and that is not even everyone that plays, probaly more on some servers, blizzard haven't given out official stats on the realms...
TBH it looks more like a list of all accounts for each server as i don't see anything that says PCU or the such
That is characters on the servers. Devide that by 3 and you'll get the rough number of accounts, then devide it by 3 again and you might get close to the numer of PCU -----
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:37:00 -
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WoW is down till about 12noon-1pm EST on average. so basicly their home market is still at work. people outside that market whine hey so do people in distant time zones whine about EVE resets.
its funny people ***** about a buggy game, then ***** when the server comes down to clean up the bugs.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:46:00 -
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PCU in WoW is below 3000 per server. I am assuming this because WoW devs stated they would have less average on it then the EQ1 servers had back then wich was about 3 to 4k average per server(back then they had actual numbers per server on the login site).
That is sooo different from what eve does that i don't think you can compare it at all. Also Eve has a LOT more items to take care of and the market transactions are also a LOT more complex. Add building items in Eve to it wich is also a LOT less complex in WoW.
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Jessickah
Minmatar Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.23 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Handapanda
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/eu_realmstats.php?sort=Total&PHPSESSID=d2e21aa6679081619d3e3c8899f07c1d
Think before you speak, and that is not even everyone that plays, probaly more on some servers, blizzard haven't given out official stats on the realms...
In WoW, players may have 8 characters per account per server. So 20,000 on one server is far from concurrent, thats like saying EVE has 300,000+ users. (100,000+ accounts *3 characters per account).
EVE and WoW are two different server types, let alone game. Besides, having played both games in the past, I much prefer EVE Downtime, it panders to my insomniac needs - far too well infact. If I can't sleep, EVE. Ohnoes downtime -> coffee, toast, That 70s Show. More EVE. Kinda a problem in WoW if you can't sleep on the downtime night, have you ever seen what they put on TV in the middle of the night?
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