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Absolute Evil Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:27:00 - [1] Edited by: Absolute Evil on 23/12/2006 17:39:06 Is Piracy dead? NO! but its been seriously dented. I agree that snipers were seriously overpowered and that has been dealt with. But warp to ZERO is lame and I think the carebears have finally won, I wonder how long it will be till I start my attack in a belt and have to request to the other pilot if its ok to do so Come on CCP this sucks buckets!!. And wars with warp to 0 is a joke......... OH and what prompted me to say this was I was just looking at the map and seeing the number of ship kills in low sec and its sad viewing. and iv ordered my own cheese to go with this whine! UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
Angelic Resolution Arcanum Unlimited	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:39:00 - [2] Interdictor bubbles on gates (Lowsec) I believe can still be done. Bubbles on gates in 0.0. As stated in other threads, PvP isn't meant to be solo according to CCP although doesn't PvP stand for Player versus Player? Go to plural I guess =\ Adapt or change your profession, become a baiter ;)
Absolute Evil Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:41:00 - [3] Thanks for the advise, but fear not im still getting plenty of kills its just the low sec is to easy now for the carebears, in my opinion. UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide! Peace My Brothers...
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:12:00 - [4] Change your tactics or find another profession...
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Exogene Change your tactics or find another profession... well he would but all his tactics have been nerfed so he's pretty screwed now. might have to change that corp name now DE
FooB2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.23 19:29:00 - [6] even though i had no idea he posted this and nobodys probably gonna se it anyway because THERE IS NO TOPIC, but i will attempt to clarify. you will have already guessed that were empire pirates. nothing wrong with that. we're good at what we do and were known quite well for doing it. The thing is, the oppertunity to get kills in lowsec has vastly dropped because even though there is infact a slight increase in people venturing into lowsec, they can simply run at the sight of that little skull next to someones name the second it jumps into local. not that i like to brag but im excellent at using the scanner. i jump into a system and usually i find people very quickly. except when i drop into the belt right on my target, i arrive only to see them warp off the direction of a gate or station. this used to be the case previously, but this time. once theyre gone theyre untouchable. at least before we had the option of getting them outside the station or gate. were still getting by, and i realise warp to zero works both ways, i realise i now have instas all over low sec. but in my opinion, it wasnt worth the trade. personally, im banking heavily on getting interdictors to work in low sec, because then the balance will be shifted to a more equal medium. its not like its a tech I ship any idiot can fly frmo the get-go is it? TEAM LULZ FOR HIRE
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:47:00 - [7] Have you ever thought of waiting on the other side of the gate and wait for someone to jump in instead? Or ever thought of sending an alt scout ahead of you into a system? There are plenty of tactics, it is just that pirates like you are lazy ass bastards (no scanning is not a skill) and expect prey to drop on their laps. So instead of trying to find new/better tactics they come on the forums and start whining. Sad really
Absolute Evil Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.23 22:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Exogene it is just that pirates like you are lazy ass bastards (no scanning is not a skill) and expect prey to drop on their laps. So instead of trying to find new/better tactics they come on the forums and start whining. Sad really Actually I have a great tactic, am very capable of scanning my prey down, and am getting a nice amount of kills from it. And some say using an alt spy is lame. But I remember when I first played it was a good 4-6 months before most dare to seriously set foot in low sec. what fear is there now with warp to Zero. Finally watch your language
Curzon Dax Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.23 22:29:00 - [9] Warp to 0 had nothing to do with carebears...get a grip. That came about because of the terrible things that bookmarks were doing to the servers. Virtually everyone not in a rookie ship had insta-bookmarks to warp to 0 anyway. Whining is always going to happen, and whiners won't ever go away, but at LEAST whine about the right things. Whining about CCP automating a player process to decrease server lag is just.... ....shrugs
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.23 22:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Absolute Evil Originally by: Exogene it is just that pirates like you are lazy ass bastards (no scanning is not a skill) and expect prey to drop on their laps. So instead of trying to find new/better tactics they come on the forums and start whining. Sad really Actually I have a great tactic, am very capable of scanning my prey down, and am getting a nice amount of kills from it. And some say using an alt spy is lame. But I remember when I first played it was a good 4-6 months before most dare to seriously set foot in low sec. what fear is there now with warp to Zero. Finally watch your language Switch to BC instead of BS. You can tackle most stuff and in a gang of 4 nothing much will live except shuttles and t1 frigs.

FooB2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.23 22:31:00 - [11] since when was scanning not a skill? TEAM LULZ FOR HIRE
Desiderious Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.23 22:35:00 - [12] Id like to point out that pirates get to warp to 0 as well....The main thing this did was cut off one end of the gate and stations which you can camp. However I would like to point out there are lazy poeple out there who still use autopilot and before this poeple used bookmarks. -TRy going into low sec and using scanners to find and nail poeple. They will prob either be doing missions or ratting, so you will get them at a nice appopriate time. -Camp a gate on opposite end w/ or w/o a warp bubble. -Trap em! Iv seen a dozen or so wrecks that looked suspicious...ones that hadnt been looted and were 30km off from gate. I wonder... -ETC ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.24 00:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Absolute Evil Finally watch your language Thought the stars would take care of that, guess I have a cloaking device on
Siriyana Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2006.12.24 01:10:00 - [14] Yeah, with warp to 0km, gate piracy is TOTALLY dead... That's precisely why Snigg got me in Amamake at a gate. I mean, seriously, it just totally ruined it for them. In fact, the HP increase totally ruined piracy too... it took Snigg an extra whole 15 seconds to kill my 'rax. Warp to 0 means nothing. Before warp to 0, the only people you were getting in low sec at gates were people dumb enough not to have or use instas, or people slowboat autopiloting it to the gate. Well... now all you're getting is people slowboat autopiloting to the gate. I don't really see much of a change here... Just change your tactics. It's not just piracy that suffers. Think of all the poor merc corps that have to deal with warp to 0 when trying to camp war targets! Now we have to get them on system jump-in, rather than gate warp-in. ----- CEO, Astrum Contract Services Group
Saint Bubba Minmatar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:11:00 - [15] You can still use bubbles. I was in a gatecamp a few days ago and got a few kills... It aint impossible. Its just more challenging and more skillfull.. I started pvp and pirating a bit 2 days ago. So far have 1 solo kill, 3 or 4 in group and another three cases where had bc's and better down to struc and armor before they managed to escape. Look around. Find some nice systems. I am loving pirating and pvping and damn I regret all those seconds I wasted mining now! :P Long live the rifter! (Until I can fly my jag) :P
Saint Bubba Minmatar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:13:00 - [16] You can still use bubbles. I was in a gatecamp a few days ago and got a few kills... It aint impossible. Its just more challenging and more skillfull.. I started pvp and pirating a bit 2 days ago. So far have 1 solo kill, 3 or 4 in group and another three cases where had bc's and better down to struc and armor before they managed to escape. Look around. Find some nice systems. I am loving pirating and pvping and damn I regret all those seconds I wasted mining now! :P Long live the rifter! (Until I can fly my jag) :P
korako kusakari Caldari House Lestat	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:37:00 - [17] ok deal yourself a side helping of cheese balls and foad
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:58:00 - [18] Edited by: Xtro 2 on 24/12/2006 11:59:00 With respect to those saying use bubbles, their great, yer they are my alts died in 1, but they dont work in empire low sec. As for the use a different ship or scan properly or scout, well we do, just when your actual pirate character appears, their off, and gated away or docked, as mentioned before we could scan around and try and catch people at a gate or a station, now you cant. As for catching people on jumpins, yer thats great and everything, but you need a fair few people to do that, a lot of our guys like doing the old jaws routine, floating around seeing what they can solo. Were not lazy, we manage, we have adapted in so far as our b*s have been cut off, but you cant really adapt when theres only 1 option left for controlling a system, thats not adapting, thats being heavily crippled. Like foob, i hope santa brings us dictor bubbles for crimbo.......... or easter.......... well soon(tm) at least. On a different note were currently in a few lowsec wars, another pirate corp near our empty territory (god knows why their here tbh), but still trying to lockdown a system to get carebears, yer i see people having a problem with that, but currently were docked, staring at docked people, both sides know they cant really touch the other, theres no way for either team to control the systems. And no we cant use the old jump them on gatein because like any sensible person they travel in shuttles then swap ships. Merry Crimbo btw. Xtro 2** - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.24 13:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Xtro 2 Edited by: Xtro 2 on 24/12/2006 11:59:00 As for catching people on jumpins, yer thats great and everything, but you need a fair few people to do that, a lot of our guys like doing the old jaws routine, floating around seeing what they can solo. Were not lazy, we manage, we have adapted in so far as our b***s have been cut off, but you cant really adapt when theres only 1 option left for controlling a system, thats not adapting, thats being heavily crippled. Obviously you never tried to catch someone at jump-in else you wouldn't talk such nonsense. All you need is 2 people or 2 characters. A scout and a decent pilot. As for laziness i must disagree once again. Before warp to 0 you were relying on noobs not having bookmarks and not checking local. You were relying on the laziness/ignorance of others. Now how is that not being lazy and how can you call that a strategy. Simply you never had a strategy and now that CCP got rid of bookmarks, having no stragtegy hits you even harder.
Distun Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.24 13:49:00 - [20] If the 'warp to 0' thing made you realize that EVE is a carebear heaven you're one of them.Thanks.

Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Distun If the 'warp to 0' thing made you realize that EVE is a carebear heaven you're one of them.Thanks. ¦
Absolute Evil Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.24 19:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Distun If the 'warp to 0' thing made you realize that EVE is a carebear heaven you're one of them.Thanks. Well thanks for your comment and Admin type dudes you can kill this thread now coz all it attracts is morons like this. AND WHERE ME PRESSY!! merry X-mas all
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.24 19:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Absolute Evil Edited by: Absolute Evil on 23/12/2006 21:57:36 But warp to ZERO is lame and I think the carebears have finally won, I wonder how long it will be till I start my attack in a belt and have to request to the other pilot if its ok to do so FFS, let me freaking draw you a diagram: Direction of Noob Travel --------------------> Where you used to camp. ---> (Gate) <---- Where you should camp now. A lachesis with two Sensor Boosters and 4 Distruptors can easly cover the spawn area of a gate. It really is not that freaking hard. Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Gix Firebrand	Posted - 2006.12.24 20:09:00 - [24] LOL. Yes life is so hard. Adapt or quit.
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2006.12.24 20:56:00 - [25] All it requires is a change of tactics, gone are the days of simply camping out at a gate and just webbing/shoot anyone that rolls by without any effort on your part. Fortunatly it now takes a little bit of work to actually catch people, to the point where its best to simply IGNORE targets that will not give any rewards (for example that 2 month old character in a Thorax is nolonger worth the effort to even think about). It is now best to catch people on the exit side of a jump as opposed to the entrance side, what you need to do is place a scout in the systems leading to low sec systems and have them find targets and inform their gang members of when and where they are jumping. It would be a better idea to have someone that can warp cloaked as to not alert the target they are being watched. The scout will inform you exactly what is jumping in and when it is jumping, it is then the job of anyone on the other side to web and scramble these people BEFORE they can warp away from the jump in point. Nobody jumps in at exactly the same spot however there is a set area where people exit within. You need enough people to cover this area and be able to jam anyone that warps in without having to move much. As a result faster more agile ships need to be used as opposed to simply all Battleships. This now means that ganking will basically disappear as smaller more agile ships will be able to jump away before the ships bloccading the jump in point can catch and lock them down (some frigates with extremely high agility can warp away before they complety decloak). It also means that low sec pirating with become more like pirating and not just unfocused pvp. DO you think pirates are going to waste their time and risk reprisal killing a Thorax with no cargo? NO!, they should be catching Industrial ships or larger ships that might be transporting something worthwhile. You make alot more money while being able to actually keep a positive sec rating if you scout out and specifically target ships transporting alot of high value materials (oh yeah, you can make alot pirating and still keep a positive sec rating if you dont blow up frigates and just pod everyone for the sheer thrill of it, thats a murderer not a pirate). Believe it or not you actually get quite a few people in Freighters flying through low sec all by their lonesome selves and they take such a long time to warp away after exiting a jump that any competent group can catch them upon exit with minimal ships.
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2006.12.24 21:35:00 - [26] The answer could be to remove the local chat channel, or for a pilot to only appear if he speaks. In addition, the maximum range of the onboard scanner needs to be reduced with basic and advanced skills being added to increase that range. Warp to 0 has certainly hurt pvp and has turned some lowsec systems into a safe zone. You're not going to get any agreement from non-pirates, it really is far too easy for them now, and that's exactly how they like it, mining jaspet etc. with no risk whatsoever.
Outa Rileau	Posted - 2006.12.24 21:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Fto Cruise The answer could be to remove the local chat channel, or for a pilot to only appear if he speaks. In addition, the maximum range of the onboard scanner needs to be reduced with basic and advanced skills being added to increase that range.quote] oh god, shut up. Pirates need local just as much as the carebears... ------------------------- Getting Sig Removed / Rank 8 / SP: 762039 of 2048000
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.24 22:02:00 - [28] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 24/12/2006 22:03:16 I'm getting seriously sick of any negative threads being filled with people just shouting stupid whine and cheese jokes. This is a discussion board, and the game isn't perfect. Scanning takes a bit of time to get really quick at, and it's a great asset if you can use it well. Unfortunately if there is a station in system, you can warp to it at zero from a belt FAR quicker than anyone can get to your belt.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:51:00 - [29] Quote: (some frigates with extremely high agility can warp away before they complety decloak). Which is the reason I keep my nanno'd CN Hookbill. I dunno if Piracy in general took a big hit here, but it certainly made solo'ing both better and worse. Better able to move around safely and rapidly and escape unfriendlies, less oportunities at the gates. A gang can still camp the back side and whack everything coming through, its just more difficult. Regardless, wt0 was a LAG reduction measure/insta removal reasons. Just calm down and wait it out; most Devs I hear are pirates and PvP'ers, and sooner or later you will get your LowSec Dictors. Assuming they can implement this without making it an utter ghost town...
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Christopher Dalran This now means that ganking will basically disappear as smaller more agile ships will be able to jump away before the ships bloccading the jump in point can catch and lock them down (some frigates with extremely high agility can warp away before they complety decloak). It also means that low sec pirating with become more like pirating and not just unfocused pvp. DO you think pirates are going to waste their time and risk reprisal killing a Thorax with no cargo? NO!, they should be catching Industrial ships or larger ships that might be transporting something worthwhile. You make alot more money while being able to actually keep a positive sec rating if you scout out and specifically target ships transporting alot of high value materials (oh yeah, you can make alot pirating and still keep a positive sec rating if you dont blow up frigates and just pod everyone for the sheer thrill of it, thats a murderer not a pirate). Believe it or not you actually get quite a few people in Freighters flying through low sec all by their lonesome selves and they take such a long time to warp away after exiting a jump that any competent group can catch them upon exit with minimal ships. Dude you peeps seriously need a few months down in 0.0 doing "real gate camping".



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