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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 24/12/2006 00:16:34
Well,
I have previously voiced an opinion that the current T2 system is somewhat ridiculous. It protects T2 BPO owners from market forces, and a decent print is essentially a license to print ISK and never worry about it again. It goes against the grain of this game, and Invention does nothing to resolve that.
This is normally responded to by T2 BPO owners going on and on about how hard it is to make a living. How making T2 items is an involved and complicated process us mere mortals could not understand.
I recently won a decent enough T2 BPO on the lottery through an alt with barely any RP (luck). And what have I found?
I simply trained two new skills on my alt (2 hours), put up a few buy orders, and now the ISK is rolling in VERY easily at a rate more than enough to sustain me in PvP, and then some.
All of this simply reinforces my view that getting a decent enough T2 BPO is simply the 'I win' button in EVE - I don't care what I lose in PvP, the manufacturing process is very simple to manage, and there is no challenge in it at all.
Its a joke.
And no, you can't have my BPO :)
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
And no, you can't have my BPO :)
Damn...
VETO FOR HIRE
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Supay
Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Supay on 24/12/2006 00:20:58 Post with your main!
There's not enough flame in that post for it to be Butter!
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:22:00 -
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What type of bpo? Ammo? Mod? Ship? Is it well sought after, or it is just there to lag the market? -----
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Moyana
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:22:00 -
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get off EVE-o supay xD
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage What type of bpo? Ammo? Mod? Ship? Is it well sought after, or it is just there to lag the market?
Its a decent mod BPO, there is demand.
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Supay
Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:31:00 -
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You are right though, Butter. After looking at the market myself and seeing what you need to make it vs the time spent, T2 BPO manufacturing makes my POS chain look like the most hideous waste of time and effort iskwise.
Yet I worked hard to build and run that chain while you got the BPO through sheer luck :/
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Haffrage What type of bpo? Ammo? Mod? Ship? Is it well sought after, or it is just there to lag the market?
Its a decent mod BPO, there is demand.
Then yeah, that's a money maker. Lucky catch. It's the people that got javelin rocket bpo's and sold them for like 350M pre-kali that I feel bad for, not the people that get commonly fit mod bpo's dumped in their laps. But they gotta go to someone, so what's there to complain about. -----
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CHONGUS
B0RED
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:33:00 -
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You can have all the ISK in EvE and that still does mean you have an "I win" button in PvP. If you need endless amounts of ISK to PvP then its not a T2 BPO you need it's lessons in PvP
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: CHONGUS You can have all the ISK in EvE and that still does mean you have an "I win" button in PvP. If you need endless amounts of ISK to PvP then its not a T2 BPO you need it's lessons in PvP
I don't mean it in this sense.
I'm talking generally. Why should I have got lucky and never have to worry about ISK again? Its a stupid system, which goes against the raw, capitalistic nature of EVE.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:35:00 -
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Yeah you got lucky Butter Dog. For others, those that work to make the cash to buy T2 BPO's and create an edge for their corp's, it isn't so easy.
The lottery may suck but the principle of an elite manufacturing sector separates the men from the boys, IMO.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in? |
Porphyro
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: CHONGUS You can have all the ISK in EvE and that still does mean you have an "I win" button in PvP. If you need endless amounts of ISK to PvP then its not a T2 BPO you need it's lessons in PvP
I think you might have missed the point of this thread.
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Tanis Bastar
Caldari Interstitial Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:39:00 -
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Butter Dog,
Thanks for the peek behind the curtain...it really didn't sound all that complicated, so thanks for the confirmation.
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Ed Gein
Lazy Town
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ed Gein on 24/12/2006 00:57:36 I notice that another large problem is T2 BPO owners not bothering in keeping up with production. They already made their bundles of isk and let the their bpo's sit dormant for weeks on end because they can't be bothered to produce more, nor need too.
Not sure what the solution is really, you don't want to make it a grind to get one, because then the market will be saturated with cheap tech 2 mods and ships. The lottery system isn't bad, but needs to have some sort of cycle so the same people aren't raking in isk off the same bpos forever, and not even using it in some cases. --------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you call the person that brings a gun to a knife fight?
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:44:00 -
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"I'm talking generally. Why should I have got lucky and never have to worry about ISK again? Its a stupid system, which goes against the raw, capitalistic nature of EVE."
Capitalism is hardly all about "from zero to hero" self-made men. It includes just as much the lucky guys born with silver spoon in mouth in the rich families established generations ago.
Nothing wrong with that. In the sense it may not be fair, but that itself is hardly "wrong" thing per se.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine Capitalism is hardly all about "from zero to hero" self-made men. It includes just as much the lucky guys born with silver spoon in mouth in the rich families established generations ago.
And, as one of the former, I don't object to the latter lucky SOB's, even you Butter Dog.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in? |
qvacky
AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "I'm talking generally. Why should I have got lucky and never have to worry about ISK again? Its a stupid system, which goes against the raw, capitalistic nature of EVE."
Capitalism is hardly all about "from zero to hero" self-made men. It includes just as much the lucky guys born with silver spoon in mouth in the rich families established generations ago.
Nothing wrong with that. In the sense it may not be fair, but that itself is hardly "wrong" thing per se.
and how is that different from people who buy isk from ebay or sell GTCs, both of which people complain bitterly about here?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.24 00:57:00 -
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It is nice, just for once, for someone who has actually won an isk-printing ticket to admit the flaw in the system.
If I have to read one more post by a BPO holder claiming "T2 production is really time consuming, I earn my 1000% markup!" I'm going to go nuts. Accept the fact you're one of the luckiest people in EVE and be happy, like Butter here. The fact its an aweful system is on CCP, not the fault of the producer. -----------------------------------------------
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.24 01:12:00 -
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Agreed with OP. :( The lottery is the worst system CCP could possibly put in place to give out T2 BPOs... Just stupid.
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.24 01:19:00 -
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through invention and increasing supplies of bpos, tech 2 have to become for widely supplied in the run up to tech 3 else you end with a model that has no base. I think there has to come a time past even the current t2 distrubutions ging on now where the galaxy will be a point where the tech 2 stuff loses their 'patent' and becomes distrubuted as tech 1. The alternative being you simply ditch tech 2 as a componant of tech 3 and build a new pyramid seperate to it, as CCP have said, thy intend to use distrubuted systems like invention for tech 3 onwards. Therefore the future of tech 2 must either be a relegation to tech 1 availibility or sidelined away from tech 3+ tree.
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2006.12.24 01:22:00 -
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/me already reserved the first batch of t3 bpos
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Bernadett
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Posted - 2006.12.24 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 24/12/2006 00:16:34
I simply trained two new skills on my alt (2 hours), put up a few buy orders, and now the ISK is rolling in VERY easily at a rate more than enough to sustain my ganking of random people and allies backstabbing
Fixed
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 01:28:00 -
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Manufacturing update: I just moved a hauler two jumps to pick up some Robotics.
Don't tell me I'm not earning my ISK.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:16:00 -
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Thanks for repeating what has been said thousands of times already.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Thanks for repeating what has been said thousands of times already.
I think you will find that it has not been said by T2 BPO owners. Until now.
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FFGR
Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:25:00 -
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@ this thread _______
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Driven
Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch Thanks for repeating what has been said thousands of times already.
I think you will find that it has not been said by T2 BPO owners. Until now.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
You make it sound like you just discovered something important. This is old news.
Everyone knows tech 2 bpos are inordinately profitable and have been since they came out. Why do you think everybody wants them?
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:33:00 -
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"and how is that different from people who buy isk from ebay or sell GTCs, both of which people complain bitterly about here?"
It remains entirely within game mechanics for one, and doesn't require any kind of out-of-game resource investment.
That said, while yes, some people do complain bitterly i don't exactly mind GTC trade. Would be quite hypocritical of me to do so when it was the existence of GTC sellers that allowed me to keep playing the game quite a few months longer than it'd otherwise be possible.
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: BoBoZoBo on 24/12/2006 02:43:57 Yet another communist.
yes it is easy to manufacture.. ANY BPO or BPC T1 T2...
So let CCP give everyone a BPO and I am sure your billions wont be with the paper they are pinted on. Where is the interest in everyone having everything.. I dont get it. =========================
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.24 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: BoBoZoBo Edited by: BoBoZoBo on 24/12/2006 02:43:57 Yet another communist.
yes it is easy to manufacture.. ANY BPO or BPC T1 T2...
So let CCP give everyone a BPO and I am sure your billions wont be with the paper they are pinted on. Where is the interest in everyone having everything.. I dont get it.
Uh.
Noone has any problem whatsoever with people being filthy rich, or BPO owners being filthy rich, for that matter.
People have a problem with the fact that under the current system, people get filthy rich through the sheer luck of participating in a lottery.
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