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xHalcyonx Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.24 22:50:00 - [1] I am at the point that I am just finishing my learning skills and have msot basic combat skills (small pulse laser 5, small pulse spec 3 and such, electronics and engineering 5, and such) and I am wanting to choose the Best HAC regardless of what I am currently skilled in. To pass the time to getting a HAC I have decided to train for ishkur and enyo (next I will train drones 5, combat drone 4, drone interfacing 4, scout drone op 5 then small blaster and rail spec to 4). After that I must make a decision on which way to go. So, I ask now, which HAC is good for a PvP and PvE environment. The two that I have looked extensively at are the Zealot and the Ishtar.
Future Tense	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:01:00 - [2] Ishtar
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:02:00 - [3] Zealot = retribution on serious steroids. I'm after one myself (just 2 weeks more ;) ) To be honest though, for missions ishtar is probably best as it can tank while the drones do fearsome damage. And by the same method it's apparently quite good at pvp ;) Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Arian Snow Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.24 23:19:00 - [4] Munin - because it¦s not quite as outrageously overpriced as other HAC's... Just sort off kiddin' really I can fly HACs and if I was willing to spend I would fly the Munin and Vagabond.. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Al Thorr Caldari The Wheel	Posted - 2006.12.25 00:09:00 - [5] There is no "Best" Hac - just the pilots who fly them. Regards and seasons greetings Al Thorr "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Tisanta Amarr Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.25 01:22:00 - [6] you are so wrong.. HAC's suck.. unless its a nostar, or vagabond 5-7k/s other than that recons (mainly the pilgrim) will rip most other things to peices... just stay away from rook/falcons since they suck. other than that the only reason to have one of the HAC's is because they look ultra sexy. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Olev	Posted - 2006.12.25 02:01:00 - [7] for solo... vagabond by far..
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.12.25 02:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 25/12/2006 02:07:30 Originally by: Tisanta you are so wrong.. HAC's suck.. unless its a nostar, or vagabond 5-7k/s other than that recons (mainly the pilgrim) will rip most other things to peices... just stay away from rook/falcons since they suck. other than that the only reason to have one of the HAC's is because they look ultra sexy. lol. just lol to the op. zealot is a great ship but has its limitation as a solo ship do to being very vunerable to nos. Ishtar is probably the best hac out there atm, as is the case with most drones boats. but don't look for the "best" hac. just fly what fits your style of combat and what you want to fly.
Segmentor Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.25 02:44:00 - [9] Theyre all great. Eagle? Pop urself some BS solo, from 200km out. Cerb? Passive tank it and go afk, come back and scoop the loot. Zealot? Cam be both a sniper, tanker, close range pulse ganker and a great miner. Sacrielege? Dont know much of it, but those few times i met one it had a scary tank. Vaga? Hit&Run. Nuff said. Muninn? Great frig sniper, scary medium range dmg dealer. Deimos? Gonna rip your pod out of your ship in seconds, from up close. Ishtar? Uhm... Sht, its just too versatile! ----- EVE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH Supporter*
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.25 03:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Segmentor Theyre all great. Eagle? Pop urself some BS solo, from 200km out. Cerb? Passive tank it and go afk, come back and scoop the loot. Zealot? Cam be both a sniper, tanker, close range pulse ganker and a great miner. Sacrielege? Dont know much of it, but those few times i met one it had a scary tank. Vaga? Hit&Run. Nuff said. Muninn? Great frig sniper, scary medium range dmg dealer. Deimos? Gonna rip your pod out of your ship in seconds, from up close. Ishtar? Uhm... Sht, its just too versatile! Eagle might pop frigates from 200km nothing else, Cerb sucks with a passive tank, --------------------------- Originally by:* Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.

Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.25 04:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Segmentor Theyre all great. Eagle? Pop urself some BS solo, from 200km out. You can't break a BS's tank at 40KM with antimatter, and you're going to do it with spike? Pop frigs and dessies, yes. Hassle cruisers, sure. Pose as a threat to BSes, no effing way. Eagle is uber anti support. Cerb is a great missile toy until you can fly a Nighthawk. Don't fly the other race's HACs. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.12.25 04:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Segmentor Theyre all great. Eagle? Pop urself some BS solo, from 200km out. You can't break a BS's tank at 40KM with antimatter, and you're going to do it with spike? Pop frigs and dessies, yes. Hassle cruisers, sure. Pose as a threat to BSes, no effing way. Eagle is uber anti support. Cerb is a great missile toy until you can fly a Nighthawk. Don't fly the other race's HACs. "Don't fly the other race's HACs." Lies of the devil, Zealot is amazing along with the Ishtar and the Vaga. The rest are sub-par.
xHalcyonx Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.25 05:25:00 - [13] Then it's settled...First Ishkur and enyo with T2 medium and light drones along with small blaster and rail specs to 4, then T2 medium Pulse and Beam specs to 4, then AWU to 4 and Zealot and HACs to 4, Ishtar next, T2 Heavy drones and then either drone interfacing to 5 or HACs to 5; Or maybe I will just go to medium rail and blaster specs to 4 for fitting on a deimos. Keep the ideas flowing though, I still got about a week to decide :).
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2006.12.25 06:19:00 - [14] zealot is like... pve ship... if you are in sansha/dark blood region, it's awesome :P It does do nice damage, but the problem is nos/omni armor tanks. Ishtar is just meh, it's like a small dominix... yet... it's exactly that, no more no less. I don't see why you would fly an ishtar over a domi? Domi has, more armor, more slots, better tank, more grid, etc. And if you want your domi to warp as fast as your ishtar, just stick a couple of inertial stabs in the lows - it'll still have a better tank (more nos/better protection vs nos) than your ishtar (pvp wise). If you are going to train amarr cruiser lvl5, i'd suggest taking a look at the curse and the pilgrim instead, i'd pick a curse over a zealot any day for pvp, and pilgrim is really nice for solo work. Eagle is a good enemy support ganker in bigger ops... vagabond is a big inty... All in all, there are very few hacs that have a specific role, that no other ship can do in the game, otherwise there are always cheaper, more effective alternatives. All about target jamming
Shirow Miyazaki Amarr Hunter Military Industries	Posted - 2006.12.25 11:14:00 - [15] From an Amarr pve viewpoint, i'm considering what to fly instead of a prophecy. I am tempted by a Harbinger, but for 10 mill more i can get an armageddon. However, i know that a battleship has a bigger sig radius and will get hurt more by bigger weapons. However, it will take me a LONG time to train for HACs or command ships, both of which look tasty. From what i've gathered, the amarr hacs are a lot like their t1 cruiser base models - the zealot has more shootiness while the sacrilege is a tanking monster. Looking at the skill requirements, it would make sense to train a HAC before going onto command ships, as command ships need heavy assault ship 4. personally i'd prefer a sacrilege, i prefer survivability over shootiness. But this brings an interesting question, should i get a battleship, or stick in my prophecy for the time being? I'm just moving into level 3 missions as 2's were an utter snoozefest, i've had to warp out a couple of times, but my recent foray into tech 2 stuff has meant i stick around for a lot longer than before.
korrey Fusion Enterprises Ltd	Posted - 2006.12.25 20:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Ryysa zealot is like... pve ship... if you are in sansha/dark blood region, it's awesome :P It does do nice damage, but the problem is nos/omni armor tanks. Ishtar is just meh, it's like a small dominix... yet... it's exactly that, no more no less. I don't see why you would fly an ishtar over a domi? Domi has, more armor, more slots, better tank, more grid, etc. And if you want your domi to warp as fast as your ishtar, just stick a couple of inertial stabs in the lows - it'll still have a better tank (more nos/better protection vs nos) than your ishtar (pvp wise). If you are going to train amarr cruiser lvl5, i'd suggest taking a look at the curse and the pilgrim instead, i'd pick a curse over a zealot any day for pvp, and pilgrim is really nice for solo work. Eagle is a good enemy support ganker in bigger ops... vagabond is a big inty... All in all, there are very few hacs that have a specific role, that no other ship can do in the game, otherwise there are always cheaper, more effective alternatives. Well thats not the zealots problem, atm thats omni tanks and nos's problems. It will get fixed in due time. I would rather train for a great ship and wait for it to get fixed, then a good ship and have it get nerfed. And a med nos of your own solves most problems.
Benzo Dharmian	Posted - 2006.12.25 22:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Angus McLean Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Segmentor Theyre all great. Eagle? Pop urself some BS solo, from 200km out. You can't break a BS's tank at 40KM with antimatter, and you're going to do it with spike? Pop frigs and dessies, yes. Hassle cruisers, sure. Pose as a threat to BSes, no effing way. Eagle is uber anti support. Cerb is a great missile toy until you can fly a Nighthawk. Don't fly the other race's HACs. "Don't fly the other race's HACs." Lies of the devil, Zealot is amazing along with the Ishtar and the Vaga. The rest are sub-par. I think he meant that he does not fly as in (has not the skills for) the other races HAC's....
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.25 22:09:00 - [18] With your high drone skills, I would recommend ishtar. Why would you pick zealot in this scenario, where your skills are very much focused on drones? And I agree with people who say there is no best hac, even though Vaga is the only one who can survive a gankcrew jumping in on you. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.25 22:14:00 - [19] I'd suggest skipping the hacs and going for command ships, which are better in every way. If not, then I suggest an Ishtar or Zealot. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.12.26 00:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Benzo Dharmian Originally by: Angus McLean Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Segmentor Theyre all great. Eagle? Pop urself some BS solo, from 200km out. You can't break a BS's tank at 40KM with antimatter, and you're going to do it with spike? Pop frigs and dessies, yes. Hassle cruisers, sure. Pose as a threat to BSes, no effing way. Eagle is uber anti support. Cerb is a great missile toy until you can fly a Nighthawk. Don't fly the other race's HACs. "Don't fly the other race's HACs." Lies of the devil, Zealot is amazing along with the Ishtar and the Vaga. The rest are sub-par. I think he meant that he does not fly as in (has not the skills for) the other races HAC's.... HAHA omg I feel like a nub cake. Thanks for pointing that out heh.

Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.12.26 00:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor With your high drone skills, I would recommend ishtar. Why would you pick zealot in this scenario, where your skills are very much focused on drones? And I agree with people who say there is no best hac, even though Vaga is the only one who can survive a gankcrew jumping in on you. QFT about the vaga
xHalcyonx Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.12.26 00:15:00 - [22] In regards to the Ishtar, are T1 Heavy Drones (Berserker I and Ogre I) good enough while I train for T2 Heavy Drones? (Skills would be Drones 5, Combat Drone Operation 4, Drone Interfacing 4, Scout Drone Operation 5, and Heavy Drones 4, Minmatar & Gallente Drone Specs to 3)
Amun Krul	Posted - 2006.12.26 00:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Amun Krul on 26/12/2006 00:52:09 Edited by: Amun Krul on 26/12/2006 00:52:00 Ishtar is a fantastic ship, I fly with T1 heavy's, work fine with drone interfacing 4 heavy drone 4. As far as planning towards a HAC, jump in a Vexor buy a few Thorax's head put and have a few fights, have fun see which you prefer. Diemos is very hard to fit especially for low SPers. at the guy giving assesments on the various HAC's. BS at 200km nub. If I ever hear of anyone mining in a zealot..........
Verizana Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.26 01:01:00 - [24] Cerberus. Dont ask, just train. T2 Hardeners and a Gistii A-Type SB. 'Nuff said.
Face Value	Posted - 2006.12.26 03:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Segmentor Ishtar? Uhm... Sh*t, its just too versatile! You said it all right there. =)
Segmentor Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.26 03:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Amun Krul at the guy giving assesments on the various HAC's. BS at 200km nub. If I ever hear of anyone mining in a zealot.......... Well allright, maybe not solo, but in packs of 3+ they can cause some serious trouble, and theyre not that far off those 200km anyway. Mining Zealot, that was a joke ffs. I dont even fly the ship, and hate mining. ----- EVE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH Supporter
Amun Krul	Posted - 2006.12.26 11:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Segmentor Originally by: Amun Krul at the guy giving assesments on the various HAC's. BS at 200km nub. If I ever hear of anyone mining in a zealot.......... Well allright, maybe not solo, but in packs of 3+ they can cause some serious trouble, and theyre not that far off those 200km anyway. Mining Zealot, that was a joke ffs. I dont even fly the ship, and hate mining. BS losers a little shield thinks 'wtf are those eagles doing scratching me 200km away' and warps off.......
xHalcyonx Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:12:00 - [28] What are the pros and cons of the Ishtar and Zealot. I plan to run primarily in Gank Squads and HAC Patrol gangs. Which is more suited to those situations?
Tisanta Amarr Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:29:00 - [29] pros of ishtar is that it can do HUGE DPS and tank like a *****.. cons of the ishtar is that it is very much close range and if you use turrets enamy nos will be an issue. zealot is a pretty quick ship with an amazing tank.. long range and its very powerful. downside to this ship is once again its very cap reliant so that enamy nos will screw this ship pretty badly.. but for anti battlecruiser or anti hac purposes i would say its a nice one. if you want a nice cruiser class ship that you can solo just about anything in try the pilgrim or the curse since the curse is pretty much invincible in 1v1s ( you cant scram someone with no cap left) and the pilgrim gives you the choice of targets and still hits very very hard. im pretty sure a curse can beat any other ship than caldari passive tank solo.. though i may be wrong since it has the tracking disruptors and an evil tank with a mwd. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Captain Crimson Wisemen Foundation	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:31:00 - [30] As al thorr said, there is no "best" HAC, it depends on circumstances. I used to think they were OMFGPWNMOBILES... but no. In general HACs can be really good or just tin cans with "pop me i cost 10 times im worth" on it. It depends on the number of skillpoints you have. At the OP... For PvP, depends what the rest of your gang is flying (PvPing solo nowadays is like having sex with a turned on toaster) and for PvE, Just go for a raven, less training time, more PvE carnage. 'What do you mean, where's the treasure? It's in this chest: ****ography and biscuits! Yarrr!'



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