This is why pve vs pvp discussions never go anywhere. How can one expect a different mentality to just change and accept another or figure out how to make a system work together. Intolerance to ideologies has led to genocide. If people commit mass murder over stuff like this, then what chance does a casual game mechanic stand?

Simply put, pve NEEDS to be the bait to becoming part of pvp. Eve should excel at large and diverse fleets. This means support and foot soldiers. Roles ideal for pve and new players. But the mechanics are far to different. PvE is why I got out into nullsec because PvE introduced me to pvp roles. The pvp was more fun, but to keep it fun meant a whole pile of boring. PvE in my mind is more enjoyable and engaging... For some bits.

Essentially, the pvpers are the reason pve people dont. Quite frankly, look past mission scripting, PvE is more engaging. More choices available and no two hour fleet ops for just a potential fight. Live events of sansha a prime one. Ships blow up everywhere, no isk earned and thousands showed up for an extended good time. Does pve neex to be more like pvp, pr pvp more like pve combat in terms of experience?

Maybe some midpoint is needed....

FYI paragraphs can be composed of more than one or two sentences.

You may not have. I dont doubt that.
Thats just your subjective impression and experience.

But looking at killboards, there are many who still maintain sec status above -5.0.

As is usual in EVE, the current status quo ***** on LS residents in particular.
LS houses the real pirates. These guys I can respect.
CODE can go suck a sausage compared to them.

I have to say, I'm impressed to see -10 gankers reject a nerf to their profession out of their selfless and altruistic concerns for the high sec players that may make mistakes and get themselves CONCORDed. No self-interest there at all. Brought a tear to my eye.

Bullshit. I haven't seen any ganker with a sec status above -10.0.

This guy...

The best part is the numerous errors that he lets slip, like what he said about the sec status of new characters.

He doesn't even know the rules of the mechanics he's demanding be changed.

Its irrelevant to the issue.

Kaarous Aldurald*snip*

That and "Im already -10 so I don't care".
Well, no fking **** sherlock!

Kaarous Aldurald:
I love how you actually mimic the critique I've (with good reason) laid upon you now and over a year ago.
Almost word for word. And yet avoid the actual topic at hand.

You don't realize it, but I'm actually your teacher.
You are a child stumbling in my footsteps. An infant with no character of its own, looking up to someone else.
You attempt to emulate my behavior, in a kind of perverted, failed form of misguided flattery.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic and rather concerning regarding your psychological stability.

Anize Oramara:
Yes, exactly.
"Think of the noobs!"
Apparently increasing sec standing loss for illegal activities would be crippling for noobs.
Whereas they themselves are, demonstrably, a large part of HS victims of illegal activity.

CODE to me just seems like an embodiment of the sacked Devs trying to ruin a game that has done so much better since they were shown the door.

Ganking is also an abusable mechanic to defraud a customer to perpetuate further sales.

So all those members of Bat County that went back to Deklin to get their security status back to 5.0 was a figment of my imagination, who would have thunk that.

I have a problem with anything that further nerfs the single most nerfed activity in EVE. Its simply not needed especially given how easy it is to both avoid and to protect yourself from being ganked. Plus given most run around at -10 anyway you wont even do anything to harm gankers, what you will end up doing is punishing people who accidentally get themselves concorded.

You nerfed the wrong people to try and further punish another group that already suffers the most punishments in EVE.

"Accidently get CONCORDed"
Excuse me? What? How do you accidentally get CONCORDed?

As Ive already stated many times over, it doesnt nerf gankers.
The meta and act remains the same.
Ganking continues the same way as before.

The only difference, is they quicker become red, which creates more player content, PvP and ship destruction in HS.

Its win/win/win across the board.

You don't realize it, but I'm actually your teacher.
You are a child stumbling in my footsteps. An infant with no character of its own, looking up to someone else.

Personally I think CCP should suspend everyone in CODE for a month..

Nobody wants to pay a monthly fee to be someone else's clay pigeon.

Hi, Bat Country here.

We don't care about sec status and we don't go back to Dek to grind up our sec status, we go back because thats where we live. We use alts for our ganking and only move our mains to empire when we have something special like an interdiction or burn jita planned. So yes, its a figment of your imagination.