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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.26 14:54:00 -
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I've noticed the price of most of the HAC's in major hub systems is crashing, by as much as 50%.
Do we think this is a long-term trend, or short-term blip?
What might the causes be? Invention? New BC's? New BPO seedings (wouldnt have thought those would be coming out of production yet)?
Interested in any perspectives on this - especially from HAC BPO owners themselves, how do they feel right now?
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Ichabod Crane
LFC
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.26 14:56:00 -
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Its not a crash, its just supply starting to meet demand.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.12.26 14:56:00 -
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Well, I can only speak for myself, but I prefer the new battle cruisers to hacs now. Mostly because of their dps, price and insurance options.
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El Marchetto
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Posted - 2006.12.26 14:57:00 -
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#1 reason - Tier2 BCs and BC overhaul 
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:01:00 -
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#1 reason - more t2 BPOs seeded*
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Gothikia
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:03:00 -
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suits me, hacs are my prefered ship type 
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:04:00 -
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tis the proverbial HAC bubble bursting. Currently HAC's simply arnt value for isk at their current prices and so prices will fall till people think they are cost effective again in preference to teir 2 bc's or command ships.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:05:00 -
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Zealots and Cerberuses are crashing because the Harbinger and Drake own them in the face 
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:09:00 -
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battlecruisers and command ships arent hacs.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: X99 Z990
#1 reason - more t2 BPOs seeded*
I don't think this is true at all.
The new BPO's have only been recently seeded, and I expect are in production as we speak. Even if they were all put on very short production runs (unlikely) thats only a few extra units in the past few days - the price started falling before any could have come out of production.
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: X99 Z990
battlecruisers and command ships arent hacs.
But they're owning the HACs for a fraction of the price (in the case of the BC's at least) so people who don't want to be robbed blind are buying them rather than hacs.
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El Marchetto
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:13:00 -
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Stunning revelation 
Originally by: X99 Z990
battlecruisers and command ships arent hacs.
In other news, pilots with < billions in their wallet can now fly and equip BCs that work as well in gangs as HACs do, at a 75% price reduction
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:18:00 -
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It's a combination of all the reasons stated.
a) New BC's
b) New seeding
c) Invention
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Doomed Predator
The Phoenix Rising
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:20:00 -
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Was about time.The cerb cost 50 mill to make.But they were sold at 200 mill+.Looks like ccp did good this time 
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:24:00 -
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HACs are a lot worse off after revelations in pvp, compared to other ship types. It is especially the boosts to battlecruisers, including the introduction of the new tier 2 ones, that make life diffficult for HAC owners.
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:28:00 -
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as CCP value the Hacs to about 20m isk they sure deserve to get plastered by tier2 BC's... 100-150m seems to be a fair price anyway
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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:45:00 -
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I highly doubt new BPOs and especially Invention play any role in the HAC prices coming down, they've been coming down since Revelations got live.
A decent price for, let's say a Cerberus, is 70 millions which is alreay a 100% markup (they don't cost 50mill to make afaik).
For many who don't spend most of their live in front of the keyboard, a 200mill ship with 100mill in fittings is not worth flying.
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Posted - 2006.12.26 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
It's a combination of all the reasons stated.
a) New BC's
b) New seeding
c) Invention
By the sounds of it invention has squat all to do with it.
Originally by: Big Al
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Jouno
Underground Revolution
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Posted - 2006.12.26 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jouno on 26/12/2006 16:04:05
I think its mainly because more and more ppl are ready to fly recons and command ships witch are really more cost effective and better then hacs in most cases. I expect hac prices to drop even more except maybe the Vaga prices 
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.26 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch
It's a combination of all the reasons stated.
a) New BC's
b) New seeding
c) Invention
LOL Invention.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.26 16:08:00 -
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HAC? pfffff. Why would you need one?
Tier 2 BC can easily destroy some of the HAC.
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NAP
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Posted - 2006.12.26 16:20:00 -
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Quote:
I've noticed the price of most of the HAC's in major hub systems is crashing, by as much as 50%.
Where's this happening? I visit major hubs sometimes, and I see Cerberus has fallen from 250m to 205m, Sacrilege from 90ish to 70m, Zealot from 170 to 145m. Where are the 50% discount HACs?
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Shi Mun
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.26 16:32:00 -
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well deimos' used to sell for 200+ mil each but now you can find them in most regions for 180-200mil, except in one particular region where they are going for (this is the cheapest i've seen) *130mil*. And its true, HAC prices are falling because they are being out performed in their role by more cost-effective ships.
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.26 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: NAP
Quote:
I've noticed the price of most of the HAC's in major hub systems is crashing, by as much as 50%.
Where's this happening? I visit major hubs sometimes, and I see Cerberus has fallen from 250m to 205m, Sacrilege from 90ish to 70m, Zealot from 170 to 145m. Where are the 50% discount HACs?
Well for example some Bobbit was selling something like 35 Zealots at 135M/piece at sell forums a few days ago (or was it yesterday, can't remember) and if you bought ten, you got a discount of 15% or so...look for them and you will find them.
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El Marchetto
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Posted - 2006.12.26 16:49:00 -
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I'm guessing this is whats happening:
Overhauled BCs and Tier2 BCs have very rapidly taken over as the mid-range PvP ships of choice.
The South (BoB MC LV etc) are hoarding HACs for a massive war with the North (D2 RAZOR IRON etc), who are also hoarding HACs for the same reason.
It is these 2 power blocs that are the T2 cartels, at least their industrial backbone encapsulates the vast mayority of most profitable T2 BPOs.
The remaining HACs that used to be leaked to the resellers have begun to dry up, and the resellers are getting very nervous about being stuck with loss making stocks.
Reseeded BPOs are not making their way into 'neutral' hands in sufficient numbers to crash the HAC market prices, although in the next 2-3 months we may see this occur.
In the meantime BCs continue to be the weapon of choice among the mayority of pilots who prefer to fly mid-sized ships.
Or something like that
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turnschuh
Eye of God
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Posted - 2006.12.26 17:13:00 -
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1) new bc
2) wcs nerf
3) reseeding
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.12.26 17:56:00 -
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scratch reseeding and especially invention from your lists.
new BCs are the only reason. those (stupid) drakes even had an effect on those (stupid) ravens.
reminds me - who allowed the drakes to become this overpowered?
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.26 18:04:00 -
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Its not just HAC's, other ships have dropped in price too. (In The Forge anyway)
Ranis have gone from 15-16 to 11-12
Enyo's from 18-22 to 10-12
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Syrec
Gallente
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.26 18:06:00 -
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BCs are getting more popular.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.12.26 18:11:00 -
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We got HACs in numbers sitting bored in the market for around 2 weeks now. Befor Revelations you had to camp the market for hours to at least get a error message while trying to buy one.
The price drop is simply caused by tec 2 builders and resellers, who realize that ppl are not willing anymore to pay the prices they where used to. Thus the question should be: Why are ppl not willing to pay the prices anymore?
My guess is psychology. Ppl are expecting (or hope) that inventions will kick in january (we are still quite short on data interfaces) and prices go down to something reasonable.
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