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clandestinity
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:51:00 -
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Sorry to burst your guys' bubble but the Blackbird's agility was bugged. It was about 10x too agile and it's been ner.... FIXED on chaos. I was sad what the sucker didn't turn as well.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:55:00 -
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Huh thats sad.
But as i fly a Raven now, i dont mind to much, its even good, they wont escape so easily 
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:56:00 -
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i'm not saying for pvp blackbird is the best btw. and defeating EW is very very very very easy. All it requires is either low slot point boosters or eccm's. If i had a battleship i gurantee you unless you were just after my ship you'd never jam it.
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Aethelgrin
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:57:00 -
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Sorry to burst your guys' bubble but the Blackbird's agility was bugged. It was about 10x too agile and it's been ner.... FIXED on chaos. I was sad what the sucker didn't turn as well.
They made the same mistake with the Hoarder. It were fixed some time ago.
Adjusting a ship's agility by an order of magnitude makes a BIG difference.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.11.27 23:01:00 -
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so nice to see a responce but fof dont worrie me much that is what defender missels are for and with the launcher i got they shoot at a very good rate. drones hard to launch and target when your jammed up the yazoo.
and i mostly was saying you cant top a bb for its ability to leave you asking why could i not warp jam him. and whats on the test server is a long way off lol so give me my bb anyday. and if you know your ship and you know her ways any ship is the best ship no? |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:17:00 -
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Well the Maller used to be the best cruiser for sheer damage potential but the Moa or Caracel would probably take that title now. The thorax is the best miner and the blackbird is probably the best PvP/support cruiser. No arguments I am right. 
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 28/11/2003 00:30:05
Test 9 heavy combat drones on any ship. they have their own targeting system and attack from 20km out and not 1700 meters. (Possible bug) and you have turretpoints, just like the Maller.
Tell me what miner that carries a pulsebomb, lol.
But for assisting other battleships, I'd say Blackbird with it's cruise missiles and target jamming potentials.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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olyyy
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Posted - 2003.11.28 01:09:00 -
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hmmmm... the BB is indeed a really nice ship BUT:
1/too weak, if u make any mistake with a BS u get wiped out in 2 seconds (especially if u carry a mwd)
2/After trying it against some mining thorax i've found a real problem with it: if the thorax has its 8 Heavy drones all around him, well if u get closer than 20km to get a warp scrambling on him, the drones will kill u (i know "use torpedoes"... but those drones kick ass really fast) and if u choose to stay outside the 20km range then u're ****** since the thorax will warp away  ... I've seen some BB pilots very optimist on this, believing they could wax thorax easely... Well let's take a 2vs2, 2 BB vs 2 Rax, we'll suppose that the 2 BB have mwd, which won't be the case of the 2 rax. 2 threat for the BB: drones and if the Thorax pilot (who wouldn't be stupid in this case) has taken some smartbombs with him as well as, why not, a shield hardener and a warp scrambler (and for the other one a stasis web)... In this case the BBs can jamm, but if they attempt any warp scrambling they'll be wiped out by drones.
Funniest thing in my opinion is that the 2 BB pilot for exemple camping at a gate would try to scramble and web the 2 rax since it is not supposed to be a pvp ship. In this case they'll be forced to warp away, if of course they have time with 16 heavy drones firing ... It's not sure thorax could get a lock before getting jammed... maybe with a sensor booster who knows... Anyway drones would be devastating 
In this case, victory depends of the pilots i think
But as u have seen... even if u could attack a BS with a BB... u shouldn't forget some.. technical difficulties ("ooops fof cruise missiles" "oooops Heavy drones")
It's the pilot not the ship that counts 
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Yuli
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:18:00 -
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im sorry but thor is the best cruiser in the game ./game
why?
well ill tell u my load out, 4 250 rails which with the rite ammo can deal with stuff from 5ks to 45ks, a small smartbomb to beast any missiles or drones that come my way
a medium shield booster and depending on what im upto either cargo scanner and ship scanner or armour and hull repairers
low slot wise i have a few cpus to let me run the rails and a load of overdrives so im no slouch.
thats on top of 5 wasps and 3 ogres in my drone bay.
normally when im ratting for 30k rats i have only 1 rail fitted and let my drones do all the work while i sit there picking up the loot and having a good laff at how uver 1337 my drones are and how i dont even have to lock my targets b4 the drones waste em .........
sorry but the bb really doesnt compare
Not to insult you or flame you, but with that set up I would take your ship down inside of 60 seconds in either my maller, rupture, or moa.
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Zen Later
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:59:00 -
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Would have to agree that Rupture is superior to BB do to it's great flexibility.
Oh, and a BB can take out a BS 1 v 1? Prolly, if the BS pilot is a fool and we have a few of them running around last I heard  
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 04:35:00 -
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People keep saying the Blackbird because many people go ECM by default. And few people go ECCM by default. So essentially the bbird pilot faces a neutered target. It's not that difficult to kick the crap out of someone if they're handcuffed and hogtied.
But 1 vs 1, a blackbird going full ECM gives up it's defensive strength, shield tanking. Anyone that can deal damage without relying on turrets can give the bbird pilot nightmares. And if that 1 vs 1 involves a battleship, the bbird best pray the drone bay is full of harvesters and the high slots full of mining lasers...
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:35:00 -
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Definitely a possibility - flew one of them for the first time 10 days ago and I was very impressed.
So Mr Calvert is finally working towards his Tempest then?
Let me know how you rate it as I'm thinking of trying it myself.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.11.28 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 28/11/2003 06:03:51
Sure a blackbird can kill a battleship.
and 2 blackbirds can kill 2 battleships:
Blackbirds > all
(well, damn near anyways)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 28/11/2003 06:03:51
Sure a blackbird can kill a battleship.
and 2 blackbirds can kill 2 battleships:
Blackbirds > all
(well, damn near anyways)
A Caracal can kill a battleship. A Breacher can kill a battleship. Doesn't mean they will kill a battleship if the battleship pilot isn't AFK. Point is:
Circumstances dictate the outcome
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:39:00 -
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Circumstances dictate the outcome
uhhhhhhhhh no.
not entirely anyways.
pilots determine the outcome, is a more acurate statement.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:43:00 -
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Circumstances dictate the outcome
uhhhhhhhhh no.
not entirely anyways.
pilots determine the outcome, is a more acurate statement.
Semantics. An idiot behind the controls is a cirmcumstance 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:45:00 -
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Semantics. An idiot behind the controls is a cirmcumstance
BAH! you got me there 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.28 18:20:00 -
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Definitely a possibility - flew one of them for the first time 10 days ago and I was very impressed.
So Mr Calvert is finally working towards his Tempest then?
Let me know how you rate it as I'm thinking of trying it myself.
Just waiting for Minmatar BS 4 to finish before I fly her
Corp. mate is loaning me a Tempest before I make a decision on whether to get one for my own.
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Nabokov
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Posted - 2003.11.28 21:42:00 -
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You ever get the feeling that CCP designed combat to be a group thing? If I had a Blackbird then.....yeah but if you had that then I would have this and....Oh but what if I had that, then you'd be really fuc......I have this though and that beats that anyday.
We're not playing Supertrumps here people.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.11.29 01:42:00 -
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CCP designed combat to be two ways.
The first is to fit a certain personal style---close range, long range, missile users, gun user, laser user...
The second is towards fleet or cooperative combat. There is a clear and strong trend among games, both RPG, sims, and FPS, to be team based and highly cooperative. Basically it's a lot more satisfying and deeper than sheer deathmatches.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2003.11.29 02:01:00 -
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I've had this discussion in eve chat before. And I'll say here what i said there: a properly equipped Caracal can take ANY cruiser 1 on 1. Especially the BB. Just give me the jamming protection and I'll show you how many cruise missiles it takes to get to the chewy center. 
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.29 04:57:00 -
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If a Blackbird takes down a BS alone, the BS pilot is a moron.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.29 04:59:00 -
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I've had this discussion in eve chat before. And I'll say here what i said there: a properly equipped Caracal can take ANY cruiser 1 on 1. Especially the BB. Just give me the jamming protection and I'll show you how many cruise missiles it takes to get to the chewy center.
You don't even need jamming protection. Just hardeners to lessen the damage from the BB's torps and FoF cruise missiles in all 5 launchers.
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2003.11.29 11:58:00 -
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I have to agree with with Xender on this.
Cruiser takes out BS 1 on 1  , the BS pilot doesn't have a clue at all what he/she is doing at all. End of story.
As far as the Posix/The General battle?
Not to downgrade the effort, but it was 2 on 1 both encounters.
2 Experiennced PvP pilots can definitely take out a BS in cruisers. Doesn't even have to be BB's. But Even to do that you need to have a little know how into the equipment that your target may or may not use.
You go ahead and jam a Uber Shield Tank Raven with BBs and go to town. As soon as your cap is gone, and your running low on ammo, and still haven't scratched the ship and the festering FoF cruise are flying rampant, you might think twice about it.
That is just one scenario in the many, but you see my point. Target aquisition/knowledge and pure experience/skills are what it really boils down to.
BB is a great cruiser btw.
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