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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.11.27 17:45:00 -
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i have to say i will fly only a blackbird from now on. did a little test. went to low sec space whith just the bird 3 afterburners and two unnamed mods. ran into tank and his cronies they had drones out and other things at a jump in point. and they could not even lock me before my bird just warped out of thier grasp.
i think the blackbird has the fastest turn rate in the game and it makes it very hard to lock before you get away?? and with the right mods she can run 3 250 rails all day pluse mods to boot so in my book the bird is king of cruisers.
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.27 17:50:00 -
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Yes the blackbird is very nice and if set up correctly it can take out a battleship.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.27 17:51:00 -
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If the birdie doesn't jam the target, it's dead.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Black Lung
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Posted - 2003.11.27 17:55:00 -
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Awesome ship, it has the best agility.
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Amin
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:00:00 -
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Always been my fav ship even out of all the clases. A truely Caldari ship 
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:32:00 -
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I'd take a Caracal or Thorax over a blackbird any day.
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:34:00 -
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You would die really fast too.
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Othnark
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:39:00 -
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Yes the BB has some awesome agility. Try flying it on chaos though, it has been fixed and now handles much more like a cow.
Kind of a pi.sser if you ask me.
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Mandros Aslay
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:52:00 -
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Blackbird rocks ........
slap the mwd on it and train lev5 ...see that baby go....
And the Caracal...nice for deliveries.......
Of torps and heavies.....(working on the cruise)
I tend to scout these pirate points to see what they are in .....alot of Blackbirds in Sarum there was......
oh well back to being podded...what a death life is ...........
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:54:00 -
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Yes the blackbird is very nice and if set up correctly it can take out a battleship.
No it can't.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:57:00 -
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Well for taking a bs alone its a bit to far ,
but still its the most agile ship in game with 6 med slots its awesome for scouting or passing through campers so they dont even notice you were here.
I loved it, used it alot.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.11.27 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 27/11/2003 19:08:25
The BB really isn¦t the best cruiser at all. It¦s just the shipclass balance that makes it the only cruiser worth using.
With upcoming changes to targeting speed and EW the other cruisers and frigates will come back into play, having more of an opportunity to show their strength as they¦re no longer standing directly in the shadow of their battleship-variants.
BB might be the best EW cruiser, but 2 Griffins and an Incursus or 3 Merlins easily kill it when the pilots are paying attention.
Currently these types of fights simply don¦t happen because both cruisers and frigs are instantly destroyed once a battleship shows up.
I just hope CCP hurry up with balancing the shipclasses because to me, flying battleships is nothing but a pain in the ass. I never wanted to fly battleships in the game, I hate them tbh.
Fighting in a battleship is so boring... it¦s so slow. You only get to fight once every now and then because nobody likes to lose those 90m isk behemoths which is perfectly understandeable as nobody likes to mine for days on end just to replace his/her ship.
With frigates and cruisers this isn¦t a problem. You could fight all day long if you¦re in a war or something, patrolling your area in your beloved frig, looking out for the enemy. People wouldn¦t be scared to go into fights as they know that all they can lose is implants and their clone.
Yeah, losing implants sucks but who cares? If you¦re a fighter you just don¦t buy implants or fight good enough so you don¦t lose them  And if the demand rises for implants they¦ll become cheaper, too. But still I¦d rather not have my implants and enjoy fighting all day long instead of sitting in that battleship, suffering a heartattack every time the threat window pops up 
I mean... if I think about starting completely anew... man I wouldn¦t. I¦d have to train my character at least two months in order to even participate in any form of PvP  And even then it¦s still not worth it as you don¦t stand a chance towards skilled pilots.
I think every newb out there deserves to be a viable part of a corporation¦s fleet with a decent frigate or cruiser.
So to put this to an end:
Yes, the Blackbird currently is the best cruiser in the game... but ONLY because it¦s the only non-battleship capable of surviving an encounter with one of them.
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:03:00 -
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Yes the blackbird is very nice and if set up correctly it can take out a battleship.
No it can't.
Yes it can...
... if the battleship pilot doesn't know what he's doing.
I don't know about armageddons though. Hmm. No missiles, only drones, which you have to launch *before* you get your ass jammed.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:05:00 -
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Yes the blackbird is very nice and if set up correctly it can take out a battleship.
No it can't.
Yes it can...
... if the battleship pilot doesn't know what he's doing.
I don't know about armageddons though. Hmm. No missiles, only drones, which you have to launch *before* you get your ass jammed.
It can still outfit an MWD for longer than a blackbird can while it is using MWD + ECM to jam it.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:08:00 -
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Prefer the Moa, myself.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:11:00 -
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I'd rate the Maller above the Moa, to be honest.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:16:00 -
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Rupture. 3 launchers, 3 turrets, speed, armor, shields and drones
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:16:00 -
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done it exactly 5 times now josh it sure as heck can take a bs. Just need a full load of ammo and to fight somone who's not a logger which is an exploit of game mechanics imo.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:17:00 -
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Rupture. 3 launchers, 3 turrets, speed, armor, shields and drones
Definitely a possibility - flew one of them for the first time 10 days ago and I was very impressed.
One of the few cruisers which has a noticable improvement when your skills are high.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:21:00 -
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done it exactly 5 times now josh it sure as heck can take a bs. Just need a full load of ammo and to fight somone who's not a logger which is an exploit of game mechanics imo.
I'm not calling you a liar but I'll take that statement more seriously when a BS pilot comes forward and admits it happened to him
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:26:00 -
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done it exactly 5 times now josh it sure as heck can take a bs. Just need a full load of ammo and to fight somone who's not a logger which is an exploit of game mechanics imo.
I'm not calling you a liar but I'll take that statement more seriously when a BS pilot comes forward and admits it happened to him
I'm at a loss on the statement myself tho. Blackbird is a good ship. But unless the battleship pilot never heard of "FoF Cruise Missiles" or "Drones" it's just not something I see without an extraordinary bbird pilot having an extremely good day.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:29:00 -
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Yup, you have to think that a BB kitted out purely to jam a BS and maintain cap wouldn't have much space for shield boosting. Wouldn't take many F.O.F's to get the BB a smidge worried.
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.11.27 19:35:00 -
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I'm not calling you a liar but I'll take that statement more seriously when a BS pilot comes forward and admits it happened to him
That will never happen
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.27 21:16:00 -
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Thorax with ebil drones takes out a battleship miner any time of the year. MWD or no MWD.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2003.11.27 21:17:00 -
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yep, just like jash and josh said, only two things i don't like about blackbirds is:
"FOF Cruise and Drones".
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2003.11.27 21:45:00 -
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The Blackbird is the best cruiser in the game, if you are not planning on engaging targets.
The description of the ship, even says it too.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.27 21:55:00 -
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its all about the blend...
personally, i think the rupture is the best pvp cruiser and the thorax the best miner/npc farmer, but i wouldn't fly a rupture into battle without a BB pilot for the EW. so its vital, but not the best.
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:07:00 -
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To be honest EVE combat = mid slots at the minute.
All things being equal...the guy with the most mid slots will win.
So much for tactics an' all that other guff 
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:29:00 -
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im sorry but thor is the best cruiser in the game ./game
why?
well ill tell u my load out, 4 250 rails which with the rite ammo can deal with stuff from 5ks to 45ks, a small smartbomb to beast any missiles or drones that come my way
a medium shield booster and depending on what im upto either cargo scanner and ship scanner or armour and hull repairers
low slot wise i have a few cpus to let me run the rails and a load of overdrives so im no slouch.
thats on top of 5 wasps and 3 ogres in my drone bay.
normally when im ratting for 30k rats i have only 1 rail fitted and let my drones do all the work while i sit there picking up the loot and having a good laff at how uver 1337 my drones are and how i dont even have to lock my targets b4 the drones waste em .........
sorry but the bb really doesnt compare
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Stoop
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:49:00 -
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Caracal is the best cruiser in game. You can kill any turret based cruiser with it very effectively given the right modules.
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clandestinity
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:51:00 -
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Sorry to burst your guys' bubble but the Blackbird's agility was bugged. It was about 10x too agile and it's been ner.... FIXED on chaos. I was sad what the sucker didn't turn as well.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:55:00 -
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Huh thats sad.
But as i fly a Raven now, i dont mind to much, its even good, they wont escape so easily
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:56:00 -
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i'm not saying for pvp blackbird is the best btw. and defeating EW is very very very very easy. All it requires is either low slot point boosters or eccm's. If i had a battleship i gurantee you unless you were just after my ship you'd never jam it.
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Aethelgrin
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Posted - 2003.11.27 22:57:00 -
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Sorry to burst your guys' bubble but the Blackbird's agility was bugged. It was about 10x too agile and it's been ner.... FIXED on chaos. I was sad what the sucker didn't turn as well.
They made the same mistake with the Hoarder. It were fixed some time ago.
Adjusting a ship's agility by an order of magnitude makes a BIG difference.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.11.27 23:01:00 -
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so nice to see a responce but fof dont worrie me much that is what defender missels are for and with the launcher i got they shoot at a very good rate. drones hard to launch and target when your jammed up the yazoo.
and i mostly was saying you cant top a bb for its ability to leave you asking why could i not warp jam him. and whats on the test server is a long way off lol so give me my bb anyday. and if you know your ship and you know her ways any ship is the best ship no? |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:17:00 -
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Well the Maller used to be the best cruiser for sheer damage potential but the Moa or Caracel would probably take that title now. The thorax is the best miner and the blackbird is probably the best PvP/support cruiser. No arguments I am right. 
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.28 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 28/11/2003 00:30:05
Test 9 heavy combat drones on any ship. they have their own targeting system and attack from 20km out and not 1700 meters. (Possible bug) and you have turretpoints, just like the Maller.
Tell me what miner that carries a pulsebomb, lol.
But for assisting other battleships, I'd say Blackbird with it's cruise missiles and target jamming potentials.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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olyyy
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Posted - 2003.11.28 01:09:00 -
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hmmmm... the BB is indeed a really nice ship BUT:
1/too weak, if u make any mistake with a BS u get wiped out in 2 seconds (especially if u carry a mwd)
2/After trying it against some mining thorax i've found a real problem with it: if the thorax has its 8 Heavy drones all around him, well if u get closer than 20km to get a warp scrambling on him, the drones will kill u (i know "use torpedoes"... but those drones kick ass really fast) and if u choose to stay outside the 20km range then u're ****** since the thorax will warp away ... I've seen some BB pilots very optimist on this, believing they could wax thorax easely... Well let's take a 2vs2, 2 BB vs 2 Rax, we'll suppose that the 2 BB have mwd, which won't be the case of the 2 rax. 2 threat for the BB: drones and if the Thorax pilot (who wouldn't be stupid in this case) has taken some smartbombs with him as well as, why not, a shield hardener and a warp scrambler (and for the other one a stasis web)... In this case the BBs can jamm, but if they attempt any warp scrambling they'll be wiped out by drones.
Funniest thing in my opinion is that the 2 BB pilot for exemple camping at a gate would try to scramble and web the 2 rax since it is not supposed to be a pvp ship. In this case they'll be forced to warp away, if of course they have time with 16 heavy drones firing ... It's not sure thorax could get a lock before getting jammed... maybe with a sensor booster who knows... Anyway drones would be devastating
In this case, victory depends of the pilots i think
But as u have seen... even if u could attack a BS with a BB... u shouldn't forget some.. technical difficulties ("ooops fof cruise missiles" "oooops Heavy drones")
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Yuli
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:18:00 -
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im sorry but thor is the best cruiser in the game ./game
why?
well ill tell u my load out, 4 250 rails which with the rite ammo can deal with stuff from 5ks to 45ks, a small smartbomb to beast any missiles or drones that come my way
a medium shield booster and depending on what im upto either cargo scanner and ship scanner or armour and hull repairers
low slot wise i have a few cpus to let me run the rails and a load of overdrives so im no slouch.
thats on top of 5 wasps and 3 ogres in my drone bay.
normally when im ratting for 30k rats i have only 1 rail fitted and let my drones do all the work while i sit there picking up the loot and having a good laff at how uver 1337 my drones are and how i dont even have to lock my targets b4 the drones waste em .........
sorry but the bb really doesnt compare
Not to insult you or flame you, but with that set up I would take your ship down inside of 60 seconds in either my maller, rupture, or moa.
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Zen Later
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Posted - 2003.11.28 03:59:00 -
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Would have to agree that Rupture is superior to BB do to it's great flexibility.
Oh, and a BB can take out a BS 1 v 1? Prolly, if the BS pilot is a fool and we have a few of them running around last I heard
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 04:35:00 -
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People keep saying the Blackbird because many people go ECM by default. And few people go ECCM by default. So essentially the bbird pilot faces a neutered target. It's not that difficult to kick the crap out of someone if they're handcuffed and hogtied.
But 1 vs 1, a blackbird going full ECM gives up it's defensive strength, shield tanking. Anyone that can deal damage without relying on turrets can give the bbird pilot nightmares. And if that 1 vs 1 involves a battleship, the bbird best pray the drone bay is full of harvesters and the high slots full of mining lasers...
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2003.11.28 05:35:00 -
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Definitely a possibility - flew one of them for the first time 10 days ago and I was very impressed.
So Mr Calvert is finally working towards his Tempest then?
Let me know how you rate it as I'm thinking of trying it myself.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.11.28 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 28/11/2003 06:03:51
Sure a blackbird can kill a battleship.
and 2 blackbirds can kill 2 battleships:
Blackbirds > all
(well, damn near anyways)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 28/11/2003 06:03:51
Sure a blackbird can kill a battleship.
and 2 blackbirds can kill 2 battleships:
Blackbirds > all
(well, damn near anyways)
A Caracal can kill a battleship. A Breacher can kill a battleship. Doesn't mean they will kill a battleship if the battleship pilot isn't AFK. Point is:
Circumstances dictate the outcome
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:39:00 -
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Circumstances dictate the outcome
uhhhhhhhhh no.
not entirely anyways.
pilots determine the outcome, is a more acurate statement.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:43:00 -
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Circumstances dictate the outcome
uhhhhhhhhh no.
not entirely anyways.
pilots determine the outcome, is a more acurate statement.
Semantics. An idiot behind the controls is a cirmcumstance 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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Posted - 2003.11.28 07:45:00 -
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Semantics. An idiot behind the controls is a cirmcumstance
BAH! you got me there 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.28 18:20:00 -
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Definitely a possibility - flew one of them for the first time 10 days ago and I was very impressed.
So Mr Calvert is finally working towards his Tempest then?
Let me know how you rate it as I'm thinking of trying it myself.
Just waiting for Minmatar BS 4 to finish before I fly her
Corp. mate is loaning me a Tempest before I make a decision on whether to get one for my own.
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Posted - 2003.11.28 21:42:00 -
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You ever get the feeling that CCP designed combat to be a group thing? If I had a Blackbird then.....yeah but if you had that then I would have this and....Oh but what if I had that, then you'd be really fuc......I have this though and that beats that anyday.
We're not playing Supertrumps here people.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.11.29 01:42:00 -
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CCP designed combat to be two ways.
The first is to fit a certain personal style---close range, long range, missile users, gun user, laser user...
The second is towards fleet or cooperative combat. There is a clear and strong trend among games, both RPG, sims, and FPS, to be team based and highly cooperative. Basically it's a lot more satisfying and deeper than sheer deathmatches.
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Posted - 2003.11.29 02:01:00 -
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I've had this discussion in eve chat before. And I'll say here what i said there: a properly equipped Caracal can take ANY cruiser 1 on 1. Especially the BB. Just give me the jamming protection and I'll show you how many cruise missiles it takes to get to the chewy center. 
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.29 04:57:00 -
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If a Blackbird takes down a BS alone, the BS pilot is a moron.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.29 04:59:00 -
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I've had this discussion in eve chat before. And I'll say here what i said there: a properly equipped Caracal can take ANY cruiser 1 on 1. Especially the BB. Just give me the jamming protection and I'll show you how many cruise missiles it takes to get to the chewy center.
You don't even need jamming protection. Just hardeners to lessen the damage from the BB's torps and FoF cruise missiles in all 5 launchers.
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2003.11.29 11:58:00 -
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I have to agree with with Xender on this.
Cruiser takes out BS 1 on 1 , the BS pilot doesn't have a clue at all what he/she is doing at all. End of story.
As far as the Posix/The General battle?
Not to downgrade the effort, but it was 2 on 1 both encounters.
2 Experiennced PvP pilots can definitely take out a BS in cruisers. Doesn't even have to be BB's. But Even to do that you need to have a little know how into the equipment that your target may or may not use.
You go ahead and jam a Uber Shield Tank Raven with BBs and go to town. As soon as your cap is gone, and your running low on ammo, and still haven't scratched the ship and the festering FoF cruise are flying rampant, you might think twice about it.
That is just one scenario in the many, but you see my point. Target aquisition/knowledge and pure experience/skills are what it really boils down to.
BB is a great cruiser btw.
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