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Ater Angellus Amarr Phoenix Navy	Posted - 2006.12.27 02:54:00 - [1] /me but on his flame retardant suit There seems to be a lot of speculation around about BoB setting their sights on D2 after the ASCN campaign is wrapped up. I'm thinking why? D2 have good infrastructure (outposts etc) but since Revelations their space has dropped in value. D2 space is quite far from BoB's (BoB being in the south West, D2 having most of their ops in the North East) It also lacks access to the new regions, which are apparently ruining high end mineral prices (Drone Ph 4tw). From what i've seen BoB are trying to take the south, but trying to keep control of their own space, the areas of ASCN space they've taken (the south being a constant war-zone) and trying to take on the northern coalition seems stupid. While BoB are "winning" streching thier forces to go after D2 as well can only result in disaster for them. Granted imo half the northern alliances couldn't organise a P*-up in a brewery when they finally rally round each other they can field a good force, but it ain't very well organised. So i ask why would BoB go after Branch? it holds little strategic value and i think they are busy enough in the south for the next few months (assuming ASCN don't fall apart as many are saying is gonna happen after the loss of their figurehead) I don't know what BoB or D2 command are planning at present but i don't see any logic behind the speculation of BoB turning their attention to the north until they've finished with the south. RA-Goon / LV space has much better strategic value (anti-clockwise round the map seems better than clockwise to me for BoB) PS: Look mummy, I started a BoB thread ________________________________ Amarr born, Amarr bred, strong in the armor, thick in the 'ed
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 02:58:00 - [2] Im in a BOB thread!
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:01:00 - [3] yeah Me too yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! its official, i have lost valuable time in my life ! LOL
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:04:00 - [4] For gods sake stop with the BOB threads, today I have seen so many threads about something and it turned into BOB, it was a BOB thread and became flambait. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:05:00 - [5] Hi Aneu... or something like that. -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
nickky01 The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:07:00 - [6] IBTF
Ater Angellus Amarr Phoenix Navy	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Hi Aneu... or something like that. You know how long i've been acused of being an alt of Aneu? I've never met the guy. The similarity of our anmes caused me issues when i joined Catalyst Reaction in the Chimera Pact Alliance (at the time) as he had just ripped off Shinra, or whoever it was. I'f i'd thought that people we're gonna accuse me of being an alt i would have posted with my alt who, as far as i know doesn't share any part of her name with anyone other than those that use the western alphabet. ________________________________ Amarr born, Amarr bred, strong in the armor, thick in the 'ed
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Ater Angellus Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Hi Aneu... or something like that. You know how long i've been acused of being an alt of Aneu? I've never met the guy. The similarity of our anmes caused me issues when i joined Catalyst Reaction in the Chimera Pact Alliance (at the time) as he had just ripped off Shinra, or whoever it was. I'f i'd thought that people we're gonna accuse me of being an alt i would have posted with my alt who, as far as i know doesn't share any part of her name with anyone other than those that use the western alphabet. same writing-style, same crap, same idiocy. yes, you are at least his twin brother. -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:36:00 - [9] Well, i think it has to do with the ease BoB has been winning conflicts. They have been doing pretty much the same thing for some time now, they know the ins and outs of it, you could say they have refined it into a science. Unless someone else gets that special something to compete directly with them, they will soon have no real challenge to pursue, so they have to make one themselves if they want to keep their interest in the game. Don't get me wrong, i don't buy into the unconditional "better than you all" attitude. Sure they are good, but their ships will die under fire like everyone else. The reason they are that good is that they put a lot of time and thought into it, they have found a way that works and they follow it. I'm sure there's countless people who could do just as well or better than them, but most are more casual players. That's the main reason BoB does what it does, they take the game more seriously than most other people. Plus, it's easier for a "serious" gamer to join a "serious" group instead of convincing 99% of his own corp/alliance to, for example, start setting alarm clocks for pos attacks. I have a RL buddy in BoB and when i asked him "isn't it boring to win so often?" he said that it pretty much is. I think that might be the reason they would try to overextend themselves a bit and look inviting for a gangbang. In any case, there's lots of exciting things happening all over the game lately. The IAC/ISS war is escalating with RA/Goons/TCF/AAA and LV getting dragged into it, AAA is going to be neighbours to BoB when Feyth falls, and D2 and friends have most probably used all this free time to complete a fleet of titans and motherships bigger than their enemies in the south. I don't know about the rest of the community, but i think that the north is way too quiet for something big not to be happening behind the scenes. Of course i don't expect an announcement by D2 saying "hi guys, we have 5 titans", but i find it highly probable that they will soon have at least 2-3 with more cooking in the oven. There has to be a reason for all their efforts to keep a long lasting peace in their corner of the woods, i doubt their PvPers put up with all these naps for other members to line their personal pockets all this time, especially since a lot of their backbone corps have a communist structure. What i can see happening is BoB visiting the hostile groups in fountain as soon as they have setup their friendlies in ex-ASCN space. The critical point here is that so much space can't be 100% policed by an alliance of 1500 members, even with cynos and jumpclones, so when BoB locks down 2-3 regions the rest will still be free for fast ganksquads to roam. It will be a paradise for small and medium sized corps to roam and get expensive kills until the landlords arrive, then bail out and hit somewhere else. In fact, BoB tend to ignore such groups altogether, since they rarely have infrastructure on the line for them to attack and hurt them. The best they can do is camp them in with superior numbers, send an equal force to have a nice fight 2-3 times a week, or mix the two and pursue a war of attrition against them until they leave, regroup and come back. It's a game of chasing ghosts and they have shown they are not that much into it, unless someone deilberately insults them or tries their best to completely p*ss them off. All in all, the southwest of the map is shaping up into a ganker's haven, with fat carebearish tennants that drop good loot all over the place. The southeast will probably be an escalating mess for a good while more and the north might be holding the big surprise of the new year, as long as they have put their naps and carebearing time to good use.
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:46:00 - [10] BlackDog Rackh'am good post. With love from Al Haquis

Ater Angellus Amarr Phoenix Navy	Posted - 2006.12.27 03:58:00 - [11] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am stuff Now this is the kind of thought out reply i was after, rather than a D2 member jumping in and trying to dis-credit someone who was merely expressing an opinion on a "public" forum. I want discussion not trolling (quite rare on these forums now-adays i know, especially when BoB are mentioned) ________________________________ Forum Warrior in training Amarr born, Amarr bred, strong in the armor, thick in the 'ed
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:03:00 - [12] BoB wants to conquer all of Eve I think. They don't think there is anyone who really can challenge them. Also BoB has past history with some of the corps who now make up D2. There's natural enmity there. I think it's only a matter of time before they fight. That's a match that all of Eve will be interested in seeing.
Ater Angellus Amarr Phoenix Navy	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Liet Traep BoB wants to conquer all of Eve I think. They don't think there is anyone who really can challenge them. Also BoB has past history with some of the corps who now make up D2. There's natural enmity there. I think it's only a matter of time before they fight. That's a match that all of Eve will be interested in seeing. BoB openly state they want to conquer all of Eve, but there have been many cases IRL of military forces fighting on 2 fronts and have been horribly beaten (i won't name specifics as i think it's against the rules). I fully believe that BoB are clever enough not to do this, they want win not get shot down in flames ________________________________ Forum Warrior in training Amarr born, Amarr bred, strong in the armor, thick in the 'ed
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:24:00 - [14] Well Liet, i would agree that's the image they broadcast to the rest of the community. I'm inclined to believe they are normal players like everyone else in reality, it's just that most of their members have lot's of time available to spend in this game and they have the dedication to make the most of this time. I'm a casual player but i have been amazed with the ease i could replace assets during E-R's short stint in D2, simply because i was playing a lot more than now. I was playing almost every day for at least 3 hours per session, i would make enough isk to buy a new vagabond or T2 fitted BS each week and i think i never lost anything bigger than ceptors or t1 cruisers. That was not for lack of participation either, i was active in every PvP campaign that happened during my stay in the alliance, taking the best and most expensive equipment i had to make maximum use of my SPs for our gang. Taking Branch from ERA, raiding in tribute, chasing TCF in Venal, fighting a POS war vs the Goons in XZH and using my jumpclone to NPC when i was working a nightshift. In fact, i even remember making sniping fly-by runs in a squad of 5 BS against a Goon camp of more than 100 during one of my nightshifts (btw PvP @ work is the biggest rush ever due to the risk of having to go afk at the worst possible time ) Now, if you take 500 people who play a minimum of 4-5 hours every single day and more during the weekends, add 500-100 more who play every other day and have 4-5 people with a clue calling the shots and in a general agreement with each other, you get a very effective alliance. There is nothing superhuman or mystique about it, it's just math and a logical outcome. If BoB thought that no one could stand up to them, i think they would have quit the game already. Maybe there's nobody that can take them one on one, but if they try a little bit to irritate a lot of people in different parts of the map they will probably get the multi-front challenge they seem to be after
velocoraptor Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.27 05:07:00 - [15] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am (btw PvP @ work is the biggest rush ever due to the risk of having to go afk at the worst possible time ) Lol, how true. I'm now even considering using TS to just listen at work, pretending i'm listening to music while working You're prolly Έληνας, and so am I, so it's better we don't meet. You may be the guy next door who always get praised by the boss for working so hard on his pc all the time, or I may be that guy. Some things better be left unknown On a serious note, yes I agree that BoB cannot probably 'win eve' as they are now, but if I was sir molle guy and whoever is in charge of D2, I would arrange a TS meeting, sign the uber-nap, THEN win eve. After everyone else is obliterated, the big battle could begin Kali IS the goddess of destruction after all
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.27 05:27:00 - [16] Originally by: velocoraptor Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am (btw PvP @ work is the biggest rush ever due to the risk of having to go afk at the worst possible time ) Lol, how true. I'm now even considering using TS to just listen at work, pretending i'm listening to music while working You're prolly Έληνας, and so am I, so it's better we don't meet. You may be the guy next door who always get praised by the boss for working so hard on his pc all the time, or I may be that guy. Some things better be left unknown On a serious note, yes I agree that BoB cannot probably 'win eve' as they are now, but if I was sir molle guy and whoever is in charge of D2, I would arrange a TS meeting, sign the uber-nap, THEN win eve. After everyone else is obliterated, the big battle could begin Heh, interesting take on things there, both about work and the game. However, i disagree a bit about the nap thing between D2 and BoB. I think it would be the single most boring thing to happen in the game. Oh, tell Crellion to stop stealing our potential Greek recruits and drop by our public channel (maza) if you fancy some good old fashioned cursing in your native language
dellie Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.27 06:22:00 - [17] You keep amazing me blackdog... lol...
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 08:53:00 - [18] oh noes, those bob are very evil ____________________________________ My mom said I am a poet with a neutron blaster on the right hand.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.27 09:30:00 - [19] Didn't the exact same happen after curse/sa war? South West was a mess for a good year or so. Towards the end BoB went up to Venal and started causing havoc, once the SA/CA war was over, dust had settled and The Five had enough with POS warfare they soon went up, before you know it this nice daisy chain of naps the north had is crushed and is an utter mess. Hopefully the same will happen again.

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.27 09:40:00 - [20] Removed off topic posts - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


velocoraptor Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.27 09:58:00 - [21] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: velocoraptor Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am (btw PvP @ work is the biggest rush ever due to the risk of having to go afk at the worst possible time ) Lol, how true. I'm now even considering using TS to just listen at work, pretending i'm listening to music while working You're prolly Έληνας, and so am I, so it's better we don't meet. You may be the guy next door who always get praised by the boss for working so hard on his pc all the time, or I may be that guy. Some things better be left unknown On a serious note, yes I agree that BoB cannot probably 'win eve' as they are now, but if I was sir molle guy and whoever is in charge of D2, I would arrange a TS meeting, sign the uber-nap, THEN win eve. After everyone else is obliterated, the big battle could begin Heh, interesting take on things there, both about work and the game. However, i disagree a bit about the nap thing between D2 and BoB. I think it would be the single most boring thing to happen in the game. Oh, tell Crellion to stop stealing our potential Greek recruits and drop by our public channel (maza) if you fancy some good old fashioned cursing in your native language But of course it would be boring and we would all flame them both to hell and back for it. I don't think anyone (except see below) would like to see that. I'm just saying that from a pure strategic point of view (mainly for BoB leadership) it would prolly be No1 in the -things to do to win eve- list (tm).... /me waits for his gazillion iskies from sir mole for this sound advice P.S. Crell would kill me in rl if I din't join his corp and it would be easy, we sleep under the same roof every holiday=omg he's here now. Still I hope we meet in space some time soon, either as +tives or -tives for some good ole-from-the-heart local/TS smack Kali IS the goddess of destruction after all
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 10:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Liet Traep BoB wants to conquer all of Eve I think. One Question for you sir, if this happened who would there be to shoot or do we go play pirates? Reality Check on isle one please. Try again!
V0idz Herrscher der Zeit	Posted - 2006.12.27 11:08:00 - [23] Hmhmhm why is Outbreak in the north? :D BOB vs D2 would be interesting.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 11:17:00 - [24] Originally by: HordeZla Originally by: Liet Traep BoB wants to conquer all of Eve I think. One Question for you sir, if this happened who would there be to shoot or do we go play pirates? . CONCORD ofc...who else? Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 11:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Turkantho on 27/12/2006 11:42:40 Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am However, i disagree a bit about the nap thing between D2 and BoB. I think it would be the single most boring thing to happen in the game. QFT and as usual very good posts Blackdog edit Why is outbreak in the north ? - because some ppl still didn't know how to watch local while mining / ratting and Outbreak is a very good teacher. - for the fun - for smaller scale fights, some they win some are won by us ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:42:00 - [26] Originally by: V0idz Hmhmhm why is Outbreak in the north? :D BOB vs D2 would be interesting. never happen cause D2 cant do one single thing alone. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:50:00 - [27] Dude, d2's space has several connections to the new drone regions. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 14:54:00 - [28] Did that, bought the t-shirt, ate the apple pie, drunk the beer, and peed on the tree up in Branch. Do you guys forget about (5) so easily?? GIRON rolled over like a love sick puppy the last time we went up there. Why the hell do we want to smack it again?? Its soo cuuttee. We cans only luvs him.
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Zagum Darkfin Did that, bought the t-shirt, ate the apple pie, drunk the beer, and peed on the tree up in Branch. Do you guys forget about (5) so easily?? GIRON rolled over like a love sick puppy the last time we went up there. Why the hell do we want to smack it again?? Its soo cuuttee. We cans only luvs him. Displaying your defeats as victories is the greatest art of propaganda, eh? It is 5, who left the north defeated after they saw there was no way to keep it with their main corp disbanded.
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.27 15:04:00 - [30] I think BoB could have a lot more fun staying in the south. AAA, RA, Goons could all do with some "tidying up".



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