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Mr BMaker	Posted - 2006.12.28 15:29:00 - [61] Originally by: V0idz Hmhmhm why is Outbreak in the north? :D BOB vs D2 would be interesting. Originally by: V0idz Hmhmhm why is Outbreak in the north? :D BOB vs D2 would be interesting. thats easy... bob.
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.28 15:43:00 - [62] Whether IRONinG kicked BoB out of the north, or whether BoB simply 'got bored' and ended their road trip; I don't think we'll ever know. I do seem to recall several major battles that were fun for both sides though: the 3-day blockade of BoB forces in AZN; the battles of VFK and JU; and the complete lockdown of EC. I think it's safe to say that in the 12 months since the last time BoB and IRON/D2 had a major engagement; both sides have changed. If either side had a reason to engage the other, and I don't see any particualrly shining reasons at the moment, it's fairly safe to say that the ensring battles would be fun. Once thing I do notice though, all these "D2 v BoB" threads are created by pilots who are in neither alliance. So if you want to see a war, why not grow a pair and wardec one of the two, instead of coming onto forums and just whining? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.28 16:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Zagum Darkfin Look at the cute puppies all barking!! Awweeee ain't that sweet. /me Pets them on the head. Go now and play, run. For those who have long term and short term memory loss, I direct you to the Films section of this forum. Look for the movies by Loxy/ATUK/FIVE. I do remember BKG as a very lonely place. Good crokite fields. Please keep thinking that way, it just makes you soo cute. Tootles When you take your own advice and watch these movies again you might notice that ATUK fought PA and NBSI in Branch, not G and IRON. Did you REALLY need to point out the hilarity? I was content just letting this "gentleman" revel in his stupidity. while in ATUK, we farmed iron to the point i was taking gangs practically to syndicate.. In our areas, we fought anyone that turned up.. no question we lost some.. but the areas were ours until we gave it up.. so you can huff and puff on the forums all you like.. you didnt bring it ingame, and now d2 live in ATUK/.5. 's hand-me-downs.. /me shrugs
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 16:44:00 - [64] Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 28/12/2006 16:25:20 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Zagum Darkfin Look at the cute puppies all barking!! Awweeee ain't that sweet. /me Pets them on the head. Go now and play, run. For those who have long term and short term memory loss, I direct you to the Films section of this forum. Look for the movies by Loxy/ATUK/FIVE. I do remember BKG as a very lonely place. Good crokite fields. Please keep thinking that way, it just makes you soo cute. Tootles When you take your own advice and watch these movies again you might notice that ATUK fought PA and NBSI in Branch, not G and IRON. Did you REALLY need to point out the hilarity? I was content just letting this "gentleman" revel in his stupidity. while in ATUK, we farmed iron to the point i was taking gangs practically to syndicate(from branch through both iron and g areas).. In our areas, we fought anyone that turned up.. no question we lost some.. but the areas were ours until we gave it up.. so you can huff and puff on the forums all you like.. you didnt bring it ingame, and now d2 live in ATUK/.5. 's hand-me-downs.. /me shrugs No... iron formed tough resistance... ... in stain. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.28 17:26:00 - [65] Originally by: Mr BMaker Originally by: V0idz Hmhmhm why is Outbreak in the north? :D BOB vs D2 would be interesting. thats easy... bob. what?? --------------
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 18:01:00 - [66] As far as I remember, there hasn't been a war, series of fights or even a single major battle between D2 and BoB. Ever. Up in Deklein the Roadtrip Crew fought one larger battle against the combined forces of G, IRON and IRON's petcorps and alliances living on the outskirts of the region. It was a good, long fight which in the end got tipped to the local team's side because of their increasing numbers. That one we lost. During the pillaging and burning of EC- , there were no considerable fights during BoB's stay in the area. The presence was enough to secure the system. After we left, the northern forces ( I think this was mostly G though ) jumped in and owned the remaining ASCN forces in the face. However, this has nothing to do with BoB. After the EC- takedown and D2's formation, there was a medium sized clash of two gangs somewhere in upper Syndicate(?) as far as I remember. It was a fight between BoB and D2 gangs, which ended up in pretty much total victory for BoB. And then again, this was only a medium engagement of about 20-30 BS per side as far as I remember. Nothing "epic" about it. In my opinion, we should start talking when we actually have done some serious fighting first. ------------------- -
Ku'Gras Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:34:00 - [67] Originally by: Ceratin Not another d2 bob thread, cant you people just go and have a war yourself instead of trying to use this forum to maneuver us to fight? Personally id love a bob/d2 war but because we want to, not because you forum whiners want it Plz unplug your keyboard.. kthxbye I totally agree. How about the 2 involved sides stop with this end quote.
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:44:00 - [68] My guess is that neither BoB nor D2 will have the balls to attack the other. Neither of them has any strategic interest in the other person's space and they're both quite happy installing friendlies in their regions and getting rich. And of course there will always be RA spamming PoS and farming 10/10, but they're not a political factor as long as they can farm plexes. We'll just need to wait until half the map is D2 slave/friendly and the other BoB slave/friendly and then the big conflict will inevitably come. It will last for several months, the servers will crash, nodes will burn and both alliances/groups will split up into a multitude of smaller fractions. Then 0.0 might become interesting again and the cycle will start all over again with the same people leading the same fleets in the same systems. Just under a different name. Then we can start forumsmacking eachother into submission anew etc. Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.29 00:16:00 - [69] Hey some very good posts in here, just like to point out to the people saying "bob didn't want this war going on for 2 months" - We thought this war was going to be like the GNW which went on for 8 months, maybe that will give you a idea :P
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.29 00:52:00 - [70] Originally by: hired goon Originally by: Lorth But no one from IRON should talk about poor PVP performance, since at the time they were considered nothing more then a punching bag. This shows you have formed an opinion based on what you've read on the forum, rather than actual experience. IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... whipes tears from eye. No they didn't. Whenever IRON went up against BoB by themselves they got whipped. Which was rather the point of the OP. Stop trying to rewrite history. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: Sama
laotse Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:31:00 - [71] hmm anohter d2 bob post i miss ascn bob post 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.29 14:44:00 - [72] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 27/12/2006 17:27:14 Originally by: Omega Man BOB are not foolish enough to want to open up two fronts. Now it is just a question of if those ranged against BOB are dumb enough not too. That ship has sailed. Although the BoBaganda Machine made the ASCN war look easy, it was a long war (what 2 months now?) with ASCN beeing in the fight or real for a long time. I'm sure that if someone had opened a second fron up north and comited to it it would have been rather intresting. As an observer I'm kinda surprised that noone took serious advantage of that They really missed the opportunity of a lifetime have a ***** at bob, BUT alas, people let pride and there hatred towards ascn/cyvok obscure the opportunity that presented itself, and in a sense ASCN did the same thing, which ultimately played its part in the imamate destruction of ASCN. Any smart student of war knows to "loot a burning house" AND to leave emotions and feelings towards competeing entity's out of it, war is war, you win or you lose, they are the only to outcomes. Me personaly, if i was the leader of an alliance in the same situation as those in the north, i would have been all over the opportunity like a fat kid on a quarter pounder.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.29 14:53:00 - [73] Can't you just poke shrike into making a post how your going to explode D2 and get it all over and done with, then the games can begin.
Edoo Occassus	Posted - 2006.12.29 15:18:00 - [74] Originally by: HordeZla Originally by: Liet Traep BoB wants to conquer all of Eve I think. One Question for you sir, if this happened who would there be to shoot or do we go play pirates? Reality Check on isle one please. There will always be rebels to fight Bob would probably break up and fight itself Bob may aim to conquer the world, expecting not to acheive it
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.29 16:22:00 - [75] Originally by: Fuglife Can't you just poke shrike into making a post how your going to explode D2 and get it all over and done with, then the games can begin. office rented in obe yet fugs?. d solo. celes apoc kill board
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.29 16:50:00 - [76] Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 29/12/2006 16:54:57 Originally by: ****uko Tbh i remember [5] coming up and getting utterly smacked about for fun on multiple occasions, then whining about lag, it was ridiculus and then u resorted to your "omg you dont jump in so were wont either" rants. But i suppose 22 bs losses and only 1 kill in any fleet battle could do that to even ATUK's ego. Just because it was a long time ago doesn't mean you can go around exagerating the truth. G won some fights, [5] won some fights - i'll get ATUK's killboard logs if you even dare to say otherwise and someone will end up looking an idiot. So if it's the March 27th fight your refering too, the only fleet fight [5] lost to G, then your sadly mistaken. 22 Battleship unfortunatley equates to... 6, becareful when throwing numbers around, if there was more, perhaps they were part of another alliance? FE Mebbe? I was eagerly awaiting it because i wasn't sure of the outcome, it was the first time in a very long time in eve for me when i knew we wouldn't steam roller an enemy. I had a good chat with some G guys at Fanfest about this, but ah well things just don't work out and G/IRON and [5] eventually disbanded. I liked G (i didn't fight IRON much), i felt they were a great PvP alliance (G), but they by no means smacked [5] around. Thats not to say it wouldn't of been one hell of a fight.
Shizuko Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2006.12.29 17:34:00 - [77] Originally by: Nifel Originally by: hired goon Originally by: Lorth But no one from IRON should talk about poor PVP performance, since at the time they were considered nothing more then a punching bag. This shows you have formed an opinion based on what you've read on the forum, rather than actual experience. IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... whipes tears from eye. No they didn't. Whenever IRON went up against BoB by themselves they got whipped. Which was rather the point of the OP. Stop trying to rewrite history. Not when i was leading them.
Shizuko Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2006.12.29 17:37:00 - [78] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 29/12/2006 16:54:57 Originally by: ****uko Tbh i remember [5] coming up and getting utterly smacked about for fun on multiple occasions, then whining about lag, it was ridiculus and then u resorted to your "omg you dont jump in so were wont either" rants. But i suppose 22 bs losses and only 1 kill in any fleet battle could do that to even ATUK's ego. Just because it was a long time ago doesn't mean you can go around exagerating the truth. G won some fights, [5] won some fights - i'll get ATUK's killboard logs if you even dare to say otherwise and someone will end up looking an idiot. So if it's the March 27th fight your refering too, the only fleet fight [5] lost to G, then your sadly mistaken. 22 Battleship unfortunatley equates to... 6, becareful when throwing numbers around, if there was more, perhaps they were part of another alliance? FE Mebbe? I was eagerly awaiting it because i wasn't sure of the outcome, it was the first time in a very long time in eve for me when i knew we wouldn't steam roller an enemy. I had a good chat with some G guys at Fanfest about this, but ah well things just don't work out and G/IRON and [5] eventually disbanded. I liked G (i didn't fight IRON much), i felt they were a great PvP alliance (G), but they by no means smacked [5] around. Thats not to say it wouldn't of been one hell of a fight. The time when [5] came up to the north for about 1-2 weeks before the eventually left the south was very one sided. When we attacked you and F-E in tribute then it was 1 very big fight, some of the time ATUK/fe beating us and others us beating you. It would have been nicce to see which way that fight went. But unfortunatly that didnt happen! I'd say overall F-e's dwindling morale was giving us the upper hand.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.29 17:39:00 - [79] Originally by: **uko Originally by:** Nifel Originally by: hired goon Originally by: Lorth But no one from IRON should talk about poor PVP performance, since at the time they were considered nothing more then a punching bag. This shows you have formed an opinion based on what you've read on the forum, rather than actual experience. IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... whipes tears from eye. No they didn't. Whenever IRON went up against BoB by themselves they got whipped. Which was rather the point of the OP. Stop trying to rewrite history. Not when i was leading them. yeah thats probally when they all stayed docked. Dont even try it. I was there for our trip to the north. We tried to pull a fight outta IRON but they wouldnt do anything but die until their daddy G came home. Iron itself was a joke. Still is IMO. A sackless wounder without its G daddy. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Shizuko Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2006.12.29 17:49:00 - [80] Edited by: **uko on 29/12/2006 17:49:50 Originally by: ponieus Originally by: **uko Originally by:** Nifel Originally by: hired goon Originally by: Lorth But no one from IRON should talk about poor PVP performance, since at the time they were considered nothing more then a punching bag. This shows you have formed an opinion based on what you've read on the forum, rather than actual experience. IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... whipes tears from eye. No they didn't. Whenever IRON went up against BoB by themselves they got whipped. Which was rather the point of the OP. Stop trying to rewrite history. Not when i was leading them. yeah thats probally when they all stayed docked. Dont even try it. I was there for our trip to the north. We tried to pull a fight outta IRON but they wouldnt do anything but die until their daddy G came home. Iron itself was a joke. Still is IMO. A sackless wounder without its G daddy. Your a sackless wonder without ne1 to tell you what to do. Did daddy blacklight tell you to make this post? I wasnt there when you took the Iron outpost. But i was 6-10 months (cant remember) prior to that and remember dancing it with multiple BoB fleets, sometimes along with G, sometimes not. Iron got a little fat and sour after that, but once that was all shaved off they were back and better than ever. We hardly ever fly with our "G daddy" anymore (though those were very good times). Iron is an alliance full of good people and pvpers. My "sack" is personally filled with 2 balls both bigger than your over inflated head (which unfortunatly doesnt seem to have much in it).
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.29 18:53:00 - [81] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 29/12/2006 18:53:10 Originally by: Zagum Darkfin GIRON rolled over like a love sick puppy the last time we went up there. Why the hell do we want to smack it again?? Its soo cuuttee. We cans only luvs him. Some guys never cease to amaze me - unbelievable. Take some history and combat statistic lessons. -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.29 18:56:00 - [82] Originally by: ***uko Edited by: ***uko on 29/12/2006 17:49:50 Originally by: ponieus Originally by: **uko Originally by:** Nifel Originally by: hired goon Originally by: Lorth But no one from IRON should talk about poor PVP performance, since at the time they were considered nothing more then a punching bag. This shows you have formed an opinion based on what you've read on the forum, rather than actual experience. IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... whipes tears from eye. No they didn't. Whenever IRON went up against BoB by themselves they got whipped. Which was rather the point of the OP. Stop trying to rewrite history. Not when i was leading them. yeah thats probally when they all stayed docked. Dont even try it. I was there for our trip to the north. We tried to pull a fight outta IRON but they wouldnt do anything but die until their daddy G came home. Iron itself was a joke. Still is IMO. A sackless wounder without its G daddy. Your a sackless wonder without ne1 to tell you what to do. Did daddy blacklight tell you to make this post? I wasnt there when you took the Iron outpost. But i was 6-10 months (cant remember) prior to that and remember dancing it with multiple BoB fleets, sometimes along with G, sometimes not. Iron got a little fat and sour after that, but once that was all shaved off they were back and better than ever. We hardly ever fly with our "G daddy" anymore (though those were very good times). Iron is an alliance full of good people and pvpers. My "sack" is personally filled with 2 balls both bigger than your over inflated head (which unfortunatly doesnt seem to have much in it). Royally pwned Oh and ponieus, i can understand that your p1ssed about ASCN's bad performance, but dont spout half-truths about IRON only to vent your frustration. I used to read better posts from you. Oh and hi darko-fatty-boy -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.29 19:47:00 - [83] Originally by: Nifel Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... whipes tears from eye. No they didn't. Whenever IRON went up against BoB by themselves they got whipped. Which was rather the point of the OP. Stop trying to rewrite history. Oh right, like that battle that lasted for hours on end where IRON pinned down and killed two BoB Dreadnaughts in JU whilst the rest of the BoB fleet kept warping in and out trying to snipe our ships? I'm sure Shrike and Bizarre remember that battle. The only fleet battles I can recall versus The Five were the snipefests at 200km with wcs in the lows, which were somehow effective, although not as effective as their ganksquads consisting out of HAC's with a full rack of wcs ganking the miners in Deklein. And I know what I'm talking about, as an ex-member of both IRON and .5., and I was there when the BoB dreads went boom. Just remember, BoB propaganda will work just the opposite when you're invading the north, everytime you'll post a thread stating D2 and allies are losing, their morale will only go up and you'll encounter more and more resistance.
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.29 20:02:00 - [84] /me laughs at all the people smacking atuk/.5. Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.29 20:03:00 - [85] I remember well the BoB visit in the North leading up to the Outpost being taken and the ops which were donw prior to BoB leaving. 1)G,IRON and most of the Northern power block were down South 2)BoB came inton the North on a obviously well organised 'field trip' 3)i was a member of a lesser Alliance ' at the time and can remember the residents left behind ie allieances like 'Ekliptika' , 'Frege' ect were basically getting our buts royally owned due to lack of organised ops and well BoB's killing power 4)Outpost was lost and BoB took Soverignty 5)'G' and IRON ect came back home 6)BoB lost the Outpost and a couple of POS's to 'G' IRON and others 7)BoB's visit was dramatically cut short (propoganda claims from all parties as to why) 8)Bob entered the North in force through the front door and scurried away through the back door end of the day u can re-write history as much as u want, i was on my first Dread kill mail (Shrike), and i remember the outpost being taken amid stiff resistance, that attack to retake the outpost and system was led by IRON and G alliance. u stroke and massage facts as much as u want , but you 'BoB' left the North earlier than u said u would 'end of'. Can BoB beat D2? who knows ,but it will be one hell of a fight , where every inch will have to be fought for and kept. Just dont right cheques your arrogance cant cash BoB.
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.29 20:36:00 - [86] Originally by: TURBOman /me laughs at all the people smacking atuk/.5. /me laughs at all the people smacking IRON. IRON repelled a BoB invasion, IRON killed two BoB dreads including Shrike's without losing any capital ships, IRON is still on the map, IRON still holds Deklein while ATUK/The Five is no more, etc... And ATUK/DICE has always been known to be made out of smacktalking 13 year olds (there are, of course, some exceptions). As to the EC invasion, there was nothing GIRON could have done. Anyone jumping in EC while there was an 800 member gang would have been lagged out and killed a thousand times over before being able to load system. By the time GIRON could have done something the system was already in hostile hands with the Capital Construction Yards destroyed. The sheer size of the attackers proves the fear the south had and still has for the north, otherwise it wouldn't require 10+ alliances and 800 people and months of planning to take a single outpost. BoB realised they needed backup after the failed invasion of Deklein, so they called in everyone and their mother to take down EC.
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.29 20:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: TURBOman /me laughs at all the people smacking atuk/.5. Anyone jumping in EC while there was an 800 member gang... FFS, when will this idiotic falacy die... There was a max of 619 people in EC- during the siege, of which just over 550 were ASCN/5/BOB. This 800+, hell i've even seen quotes of 1000, is pure bull****.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.29 20:43:00 - [88] Edited by: Sochin on 29/12/2006 20:46:47 Originally by: NereSky I remember well the BoB visit in the North leading up to the Outpost being taken and the ops which were donw prior to BoB leaving. 1)G,IRON and most of the Northern power block were down South 2)BoB came inton the North on a obviously well organised 'field trip' 3)i was a member of a lesser Alliance ' at the time and can remember the residents left behind ie allieances like 'Ekliptika' , 'Frege' ect were basically getting our buts royally owned due to lack of organised ops and well BoB's killing power 4)Outpost was lost and BoB took Soverignty 5)'G' and IRON ect came back home 6)BoB lost the Outpost and a couple of POS's to 'G' IRON and others 7)BoB's visit was dramatically cut short (propoganda claims from all parties as to why) 8)Bob entered the North in force through the front door and scurried away through the back door end of the day u can re-write history as much as u want, i was on my first Dread kill mail (Shrike), and i remember the outpost being taken amid stiff resistance, that attack to retake the outpost and system was led by IRON and G alliance. u stroke and massage facts as much as u want , but you 'BoB' left the North earlier than u said u would 'end of'. Can BoB beat D2? who knows ,but it will be one hell of a fight , where every inch will have to be fought for and kept. Just dont right cheques your arrogance cant cash BoB. Sorry jackass, but we still held the outpost and had pos in the system when we decided to pack up and leave. I'm glad you guys like to brag about your victory in that one fight though, we were outnumbered pretty badly the entire time. You seem to forget all the battles where we wiped the floor with you. Nemo me impune lacessit
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.29 20:59:00 - [89] Originally by: Sochin Sorry jackass, but we still held the outpost and had pos in the system when we decided to pack up and leave. I'm glad you guys like to brag about your victory in that one fight though, we were outnumbered pretty badly the entire time. You seem to forget all the battles where we wiped the floor with you. Your alliance is pretty good at that too, looking at the forums you've never lost a fight! Good job!
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.29 21:03:00 - [90] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: TURBOman /me laughs at all the people smacking atuk/.5 /me laughs at all the people smacking IRON. IRON repelled a BoB invasion, IRON killed two BoB dreads including Shrike's without losing any capital ships, IRON is still on the map, IRON still holds Deklein while ATUK/The Five is no more, etc... And ATUK/DICE has always been known to be made out of smacktalking 13 year olds (there are, of course, some exceptions). No they didnt. The dreads were lost. Thats a fact. But wasp drones were used in the destruction of both (im pretty sure you all remember wasp drone bug at the time) Iron is still on the map not due to them beating BoB they are still on the Map due to ties still had with D2(G) thats a fact. Quote: As to the EC invasion, there was nothing GIRON could have done. Anyone jumping in EC while there was an 800 member gang would have been lagged out and killed a thousand times over before being able to load system. By the time GIRON could have done something the system was already in hostile hands with the Capital Construction Yards destroyed. I have to agree with that one. At the time of that situation there was NOTHING that G and or Iron could do. Dont you think that was the plan Quote: The sheer size of the attackers proves the fear the south had and still has for the north, otherwise it wouldn't require 10+ alliances and 800 people and months of planning to take a single outpost. BoB realised they needed backup after the failed invasion of Deklein, so they called in everyone and their mother to take down EC. Failed invasion of Deklein. hahaha.. It never was anymore than a feild trip that turned into a mining and outpost taking adventure. And G knows this since they did and still have spies in BoB agian the sheer size of the operation was with the intent im pretty sure to make sure nothing could be done but sit and wait and accept the outcome. Which took a huge toll on the North. Disbanding of G creation of D2 and eventually the departure of Iron from the North. Those are all facts. I was there. I seen it all happen. EC was never meant to be a fight. It was a simple destroy mission. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok

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