To people saying thermodynamics 5 is not needed. It is not required, but having it can really be the difference between a loss and win.

So the only real question is... When are Burner missions getting nerfed?

It's self regulating. if enough people run them properly then SOE LP value will automatically go down. So far Stratios prices have been rock solid stable since they were introduced (Except for the current price spike).

Why do you feel it needs to be nerfed? Keep in mind that burners don't inject much isk into the economy, compared to nullsec ratting for example.

Why do you keep saying there is a Stratios price spike?

You don't have a clue do you? Stratios is 271mil in Jita, 276mil in Amarr and the price never changed in Dodixie or Hek.

And yes, SoE LP is getting nerfed. CCP is partnering to do a quasi folding@home type thing where they are going to reward us with SoE lp for using our computers through their game.

But that nerf isn't even needed since don't look now, probes and probe launchers have dropped below 1600isk/lp barrier.

Sold multiple stratios BPCs for 275mill this weekend: over 2k isk/lp
Sold stacks of probe launchers this weekend (to buy orders) for 36mill each: over 1800isk/lp
Buy orders for probe launchers are CURRENTLY at 35mill each, in Jita: 1762 isk/lp

See, I told you you were going to hurt yourself.

At 36mill
36 000 000 - 9 600 000 - 25 000
= 26 375 000

26 375 000 isk / 14 400 LP
= 1 832isk/lp

At 34.5mill
34 500 000 - 9 600 000 - 25 000
= 25 375 000

25 375 000 isk / 14400 LP
= 1 727 isk/lp

Having some trouble with math are we?

No, but you are. Taxes + original item that needs converting puts you under 1800 at 36mil

Having trouble reading what is required to MAKE AND SELL a SoE Launcher?

Also, I said 34.5mil was the SELL orders. You gonna let it sit there .01 gaming all day?

Oooo I see the price is going up as I was typing. So I would advise anyone who has em to sell em, because looks like you could dump them above the 1800 mark for a short while.

Finally bothered logging into eve and actually checking your facts?

Fact is you could be one of the very lucky people to get a bite at 36mil... but sell orders are at 34.1mil

And there isn't very many between 34mil and 33mil.

So if you have a lot of LP, you are going to run out of buyers before you drop below 1700isk/lp.

Again, you want to talk consistent and lucrative products, then give us a couple of one item sales as a poster child. ridiculous

uuhhhmm.. do I need to mention there are 2 different sisters probe launchers?

the core ones are selling for 36m+ and buying at 35mil in jita right now. the expanded ones are 34.8/33.1. as they have slightly different uses, ie core are only useful for finding sites and have very low fitting costs, where the expanded ones can be used to probe out ships or sites but has very high cpu fitting cost.

So my point, and the point of others still stand. Mission income is dependent on a market value which fluctuates and has recently been trending downwards. It is also not unlimited and if everyone was doing what is being proposed, the value of our efforts would be hardly worth it.

I guess it is best said that the numbers being presented are more of a potential than a hard rate. It is entirely possible that the ratios could go way up one day too, and all that LP some of us have stored in now worthless corps will be worth something too. But that has more to do with Market-Fu than missions.

Emphasis mine.

I figured as much. The reason for the desperation at least now is confirmed.

Man you are going to hate what I'm putting together


I can, and have been, dumping millions of LP at effectively over the rate that I use in my examples for almost three months now. The SOE market is far more robust than you think. Yes, it boggles the mind, but enjoy it and stop trying to spread misinformation just to keep your little isk fountain safe. It should be shared with everyone.

I have not seen 36M buy orders in ages for launchers and never seen Stratios buys for above 280. The numbers you are throwing out are unrealistic unless one is playing serious market games with dedicated trade alts in multiple hubs, and doing things like sitting on the LP for long periods of time until an exploitable market fluctuation comes along. So yes you can get 2k ISK/LP but it requires a good deal of luck and patience, trade alts in all the major hubs and the ability to quickly move stock between them. I'm sure there are opportunities for even greater ROI moving stock to lowsec and nullsec markets but Johnny mission runner isn't getting 2k selling to buy orders on a daily basis. I sold a stack of launchers in Dodixie few weeks back for 31M apiece after fees and taxes.

Yeah I know that. He claims to have sold Sisters Core Probe Launchers for over 36mil this weekend when the highest recorded sale price in Jita this weekend was 35,009,017

So my point, and the point of others still stand. Mission income is dependent on a market value which fluctuates and has recently been trending downwards. It is also not unlimited and if everyone was doing what is being proposed, the value of our efforts would be hardly worth it.

I guess it is best said that the numbers being presented are more of a potential than a hard rate. It is entirely possible that the ratios could go way up one day too, and all that LP some of us have stored in now worthless corps will be worth something too. But that has more to do with Market-Fu than missions.

I do not think anyone is claiming one off prices are sustainable,

You can however do far better than average by watching the market.

Mission alt trading this morning.


However time spent finding best deals can often be better spent running more missions.

EDIT: Dates and times are Aussie TZ

Why do you feel it needs to be nerfed? Keep in mind that burners don't inject much isk into the economy, compared to nullsec ratting for example.

I think you misread my comment... I meant with how successful players are at running them, when is the inevitable nerf bat going to hammer them?

Hmm I don't think I'm misreading it at all really.

Why does the fact that some players are able to successfully complete content(most of the time) mean there will be an inevitable nerf?

Effectively to me what you are suggesting is that the content is not working as intended, that being able to complete the content is not something CCP wanted to happen. I believe some of the burners that CCP felt has been too easy have in fact been beefed up(The daredevil is now a really though cookie) so nothing at this date indicates a nerf.

It actually looks like most people don't even *believe* that it's possible to do what some of us are doing, never mind actually running burners at all. A number are also running them extremely inefficiently, using multiple characters to run them and using anything from Marauders to some of the slowest battleships in the game to complete unnecessary normal lv4 missions. From observing the ships undocking in popular trade hubs a very *very* small portion of the mission running population is running at even remotely a good efficiency. We've had people that have been running missions for more years than my character has existed that are getting barely over 100mill/h on a good day for pete's sake .

Basically, just because a tiny number of mission runners are able to get a high isk/h, does this mean the content should be nerfed for the vast majority too lazy or otherwise lacking in mental faculties to achieve a similarly high isk/h?

Damn, and I thought making 100m / hr in low sec was good!

If you get a nice quiet bit of LS and find the right corp to run for you could rake it in with lv4s and burners in LS. No idea if such a place exists though

It actually looks like most people don't even *believe* that it's possible to do what some of us are doing, never mind actually running burners at all. A number are also running them extremely inefficiently, using multiple characters to run them and using anything from Marauders to some of the slowest battleships in the game to complete unnecessary normal lv4 missions. From observing the ships undocking in popular trade hubs a very *very* small portion of the mission running population is running at even remotely a good efficiency. We've had people that have been running missions for more years than my character has existed that are getting barely over 100mill/h on a good day for pete's sake.