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tl:dr = make EVE free to play

I've personaly knows 2 people who are not playing anymore (we start as a 3 person team in EVE), both of them brough their first plexes for 250mil, both of them every time i'm trying to get them back - ask me for PLEX price, and after answer "something around 1.3bil" telling me to gtfo.

You are correct that there was only p2p MMOs back in our days :), however EvE is already have all properties of a f2p model (selling skins and cosmetics technically for RL money), but still have a subscription.

And i'm crying inside when even shitiest random MMO have "active players" 10 times more than EvE (and i can't even get back 2 of my friends). The MMOs market have a LOT of products and there is not enought to just be "best MMOs on the market" when you actively loosing one, very imporant component (the first M) "Massively". And PLEX prices (and the subscription as a thing) are definately not helping bringing back some players (or even convince new ones to try EvE and "pay" for subscription and "pay' for skins/cosmetics). Because of PLEX prices it is not managable for more and more players every time they break a new "line", someone leaved when it growed up to 400mil, someone at 800mil, someone now at 1.3bil, but everytime EvE is losing a bit of players because of this.

All that cna be done is uncouldping plex form service other then game time, but that won;t fix much.

Here's a radical solution: Pay the sub.

for the 900000000000000000000000th, nothing can be done about plex prices.

Plex is set via supply and demand. you wan tot lower plex? form out your CC and buy a bunch and undercur the market.

Enough with this stupid comment

All that cna be done is uncouldping plex form service other then game time, but that won;t fix much.

for the 900000000000000000000000th, nothing can be done about plex prices.

Plex is set via supply and demand...

900000000000000000000000

"but I'm in college"
Do your homework

"but i have to feed my kids"
GTF Off your computer and spend time with your children and explain to them "daddy will have a job soon darlings"

So increasing supply and/or reducing demand wouldn't work then?

Man I hope not, or you going to feel pretty bad about making posts saying they won't.

Conspiracy theory of the day alert. Spoilers ahead!

Your keyboard seems to be broken in exactly the same way as that of CAM. Surely you can't be one and the same?

SAY IT ISN'T SO, DaReaper!

Mr Epeen

naw i just type too fast when excited lol

I'm surprised that the price of PLEX is so high considering that apparently everyone on the forums considers it extremely distasteful to buy them with ISK.

This. PLEX stands for Pilot License Extension, yet it is used for buying SKINS, apparel, fanfest tickets, collectors edition, donations for charity, etc. In the future probably also for buying SP.

PLEX should be used for paying the subscription and nothing else. Active players is THE most important asset CCP has. CCP should not allow that useless cosmetic stuff and RL goods drive up the price of the most important item in the game.

Needs MOAR CAPS to be a CAM post.

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Well barring a few exception, most people probably have more power to jack PLEX price up than down. I would guess it's easier to increase demand by buying a bunch of PLEX off the market than buying enough PLEX to have any lasting downward effect on the market.

honestly. Even if you work a dead end minimum wage job, 1 month sub is equal to 2 hours of work minimum.

Wasn't the whole point in CODE supposed to be to keep PLEX prices down by getting rid of the excessive demand for PLEX created by multiboxed miners ?

There's only ONE way to solve this issue

If you buy plex off the market it becomes untradeable, if for some reason you need to resell the plex back on market you can pay 10% isk value of the plex to reactivate and sell it for a loss at which point it will become untradeable for the new owner

Lock plex to a character? That sure will fix it. I can't see anyone wanting to buy a plex to trade for isk after that change. Not after the price drops through the floor due to a lack of activity on the market.

One more thing, what makes you think that 'unlock' fee won't just be added to the price

I can't wait for the tears over PLEX prices is this SP selling thing goes live!

I can't wait to see the tears when the pcu drops even further cause of plex prices.

So increasing supply and/or reducing demand wouldn't work then?

And here we have the key issue with this debate, "or you stop playing the game."

I've made many points in my previous posts about why people may not want to subscribe to EVE, such as already being subscribed to another game they are committed to. We are trying to address the issue of people leaving and the problem is there seems to be three main groups that are involved when these threads on plex prices pop up:

Group 1 - The people who buy PLEX with ISK, these people want prices to go down.
Group 2 - The people selling ISK they have either purchased from CCP or bought at lower prices, these people want the prices to go up.
Group 3 - The people have no interests in PLEX who decide to not add to the actual conversation and simply make the comment get a job, which we've already disproved as a reason people may not be subscribing. Now we can argue here that there is a 4th group that support a decrease in PLEX prices, but have to interest in them, however I have observed this to be a far smaller minority.

Now what we need is a 4th (or 5th depending on your opinion of Group 3) group that consists of people that both have an interest and don't have an interest in price of PLEX. Rather a group that is interested in the well being of CCP and EVE Online as a whole. This discussion is focused round plex prices in terms of losing players which will have both a negative impact on CCP and the game. Now many of you have demonstrated that you are part of this 4th (or 5th) group throughout this topic and I greatly appreciate that, however can we please leave comments such as those quoted here out of the discussion.

Oh no! Some people playing for free might stop playing!