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Taliac Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.28 18:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Rekless Revenge It is nice and has lots of good points over the old Escrow, but it does have its downside as already pointed out. However, it could have potential for all these things to get sorted out. So in the end I only really use it swap stuff between me and my alt. I didn't use escrow much, only to swap items with an alt. I was able to put many items from several stations i wanted on escrow, log out and take them with my alt. Now it's to time consuming to switch all the items. And i'm not going to train the skill for it.
d026 Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader The Pentagram	Posted - 2006.12.28 18:29:00 - [32] its horrible to use. i liked escrow better, thought escrow with the search function as we have it now would be the ****e!
Damon Ra	Posted - 2006.12.28 18:36:00 - [33] The new contracts system is O.K. but needs a little refining to be more usable. 1) Allow bids to be placed on auctions from anywhere, not just the same region. 2) Remove the requirement that a corp have an office in the system where you want to place an exchange contract on behalf of corp. Stress tested Tech II Hamsters for sale
Draqun Caldari Wo Zhi Dao Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Cupertino It's not nearly as useful as Escrow. escrow was a mess. which is why this system is so bad. --------------------------------------- First rule of playing EVE online If your too paranoid to play Eve your not paranoid enough to play Eve
Sylvia Frost Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:24:00 - [35] I don't like it so far. I have been able to search a bit for things, but overall I miss being able to see stuff on escrow with multiple regions. I am having a problem just doing item exchanges with me alt. For some reason I can never pick them up.....they seem to be non-exhistant.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 19:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Derran Originally by: Hellraiza666 I prefer the old escrow system. Now i cant escrow stuff cause owner of station dont like me . So how am i suppose to sell my old ships and equip now? Crazy idea. Just off the top of my head. Don't put stuff in stations of people who don't like you. How's that? Wait, so im suppose to stay in the same corp forever and never leave the same station ?
Dhalia Dal	Posted - 2006.12.28 21:04:00 - [37] Its OK, but it needs to have the buggyness worked out. Currently there is a bug where a courier contract you issued doesn't get delivered and you cannot get your collateral back after the delivery time has expired. The contact just sits there saying it needs attention, but you can't do anything with it.
Malakai0 Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.28 21:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Caesium Can not place bids on auctions from remote regions - retarded Can not do a search against all regions - retarded Can not search for Module* (ie x-type - all modules) - retarded Can contract fitted ships with cargo intact - good Can auction (albeit with above limitation) - good Overall right direction poor implementation. This sums it up perfectly IMO. _________________________ Level 3 Member of Eye of God
D'an Y'eal Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.28 21:52:00 - [39] Edited by: D''an Y''eal on 28/12/2006 21:57:37 Originally by: Fto Cruise Well, it has its uses, but when it comes to buying and selling , for me, it fails miserably. So, are you happy with it as is, or are there changes you'd like to see implemented? First let me say 'yes' I am quite happy with the new contract system. What I am unhappy with are the people who complain about it because they can't understand the old escrow system was never meant to circumvent actual markets. They have now fixed that, either train the skill to use more escrows or train the skills to use the markets better. People who kill other people have a saying in eve 'adapt or die' the same applies to contracts. I'm also sick of hearing from the "zomg! new time-sink skilz" whiners. I've been playing this game for over 3 years and that's just the way the game goes. Sometimes you have to train new skills just to get back to what you were doing before (markets, mining specialization, etc) and sometimes the new skills give you enhanced capabilities (surgical strike, missle upgrade skills etc.). I do sympathize with the folks who actually make extensive use of courier contracts. In a lot of cases you guys need your stuff moved and you are giving newbs a chance at earning some money. I salute you in your efforts and would support a new skill allowing more public courier contracts. **edit** Above comments are not about bugginess and usefullness: yes please fix the bugs, sure go ahead and add wildcards to search, allow searching multiple regions, etc. I don't like hear the argument which can be summed up "Whaaaaa, I want to sell my stuff and not use the market"
M'rvn Monki Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.28 23:38:00 - [40] Long time lurker, first time poster; hi all. Originally by: D'an Y'eal Edited by: D''an Y''eal on 28/12/2006 21:57:37 Originally by: Fto Cruise Well, it has its uses, but when it comes to buying and selling , for me, it fails miserably. So, are you happy with it as is, or are there changes you'd like to see implemented? First let me say 'yes' I am quite happy with the new contract system. What I am unhappy with are the people who complain about it because they can't understand the old escrow system was never meant to circumvent actual markets. They have now fixed that, either train the skill to use more escrows or train the skills to use the markets better. People who kill other people have a saying in eve 'adapt or die' the same applies to contracts. I'm also sick of hearing from the "zomg! new time-sink skilz" whiners. I've been playing this game for over 3 years and that's just the way the game goes. Sometimes you have to train new skills just to get back to what you were doing before (markets, mining specialization, etc) and sometimes the new skills give you enhanced capabilities (surgical strike, missle upgrade skills etc.). I do sympathize with the folks who actually make extensive use of courier contracts. In a lot of cases you guys need your stuff moved and you are giving newbs a chance at earning some money. I salute you in your efforts and would support a new skill allowing more public courier contracts. **edit** Above comments are not about bugginess and usefullness: yes please fix the bugs, sure go ahead and add wildcards to search, allow searching multiple regions, etc. I don't like hear the argument which can be summed up "Whaaaaa, I want to sell my stuff and not use the market" I want to sell my stuff but the market won't let me waaah. I want to buy bpc's but the market won't let me waaah. ... (sometime later) ... I want to get a good deal too waah. (is waah an acyronym or something? nm) so ok, what about items that can't go into the regular market? The idea that a sorted list is alpha sorted by page is, well stupid. I want to use the contracts system to buy and sell, not an 'spot the item you're looking for' game having to check every single page for every single region, if i want to be thorough. If there is a way to get all the items up for sale of a given type, please tell me. And the change and adapt argument doesn't work for me, 'if something is broken, fix it'; does. Oh and how do you see the current bid price rather than the starting bid price; that would save time if the item had exceeded what I am prepared to pay? The contracts system is worse than escrow (and that was pretty bad tbh) and alot of effort has gone into this but there are fundamental flaws in what a db search return should offer. Scamming appears to have been built in also. Scamming in eve? By all means but for goodness sake don't put a button on the contracts system (x1 item in the Description please) if this was intentional then it is really lame as the people who get hurt are the occasional and new users. It is bad for business. p.s. this is my main.
Hephaesteus Gallente PILGRIMS Insane Asylum	Posted - 2006.12.28 23:47:00 - [41] Prefered escrow least you could find what you wanted. ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.12.28 23:59:00 - [42] The real question is: what do you nominate for the worst design of the year award - new map or the contract system? If you want a constructive post, dig up the old threads back when CCP released the first blogs. Ironically enough, we could tell CCP the shortcomings of the system long before ever having seen it. You will be suprised about what you will read.
Akat Slacker Industries	Posted - 2006.12.29 00:24:00 - [43] Depends on how you look at it and it can be either good or bad. Overall, I feel a fix is needed to at least allow "remote" bidding/acceptance. As a seller, its horrible because one can only look at it region by region. This essentially limits the contract to the region where the contract exists. As a buyer, there is the same problem. BUT it is also the **** because its so useless. I know I've had MANY good scores because I was the only and lowest bidder on a few auctions.
Azrael Maxim Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.29 00:41:00 - [44] Escrow was simpler, contracts could get better over time. I do not mind the tax and skills needed, I do mind that contracts are a lot more restrictive then escrow was. There needs to be a global trade system as the trade hubs are overflowing now since everybody is forced to sell there, this is compeletely retarted and was warned about by lots of concerned people before contracts were introduced. Improvements needed: Global search and global bidding. The ability to search per alphabetic letter globally, just type in D to find anything starting with D etc. The ability to contract illegal goods.
Nathanial Victor	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:09:00 - [45] contract system = I liked escrow system a million times more. Ppl at CCP work hard, but sometimes i think they working too hard on things that need zero attention. Someone at CCP's dev team needs to make a big banner for the office that says "If it isn't broke, dont fix it!" god knows there are plenty of broken / poorly implimented things they can focus their attention on.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:15:00 - [46] I am very happy with the contract system. It does what it was meant to do perfectly. I am also happy that Escrow got nerfed. No more people selling billions of stuff with no taxes. For selling/buying, use the market. If you want to escape the market fees, do what people do in RL: trade in-person under the table. =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:46:00 - [47] Originally by: hydraSlav I am also happy that Escrow got nerfed. No more people selling billions of stuff with no taxes. For selling/buying, use the market. If you want to escape the market fees, do what people do in RL: trade in-person under the table. And this adds to the game what? Hassle? Inconveniance? Reduced trade volumes? Reduced aviability of goods?
El Marchetto	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:53:00 - [48] Edited by: El Marchetto on 29/12/2006 01:53:38 Edit: spelling. Most of previous posters have covered the main gripes I have with Contracts...except 1... Anyone else noticed, that when you sort on Amount, it actually does a partial ASCI sort and not a numeric value based sort? Someone in the QA team, please deliver a sharp genital cuff to the 'developer' who did that please
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:55:00 - [49] should at the very least have partial name search ability, fixed named searches are not helpfull 1 bit, having to individually name each and every variant of a module u want. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.29 01:56:00 - [50] Edited by: Xtro 2 on 29/12/2006 01:57:42 Maybe set it up very similar to the layout of the standard market, or somehow merge the 2, the basic market already has buy / sell order ability, just expand the rubbish contracts system into a revamped market.. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically
RtoZ	Posted - 2006.12.29 02:04:00 - [51] I think the contract system is a good concept with a totally flawed execution. The Bad: Divided by regions. And by god there is a lot of them. Totally impratical to search for what you want. Overworked Interface. Way too many options. All we really needed was a global sell option, a courier option and a global buy option. And of course the item description, with correct display of quantities when applicable. Totally retarded filter options, which are useless anyways, since the whole piece of crap system is devided by regions and you're not gonna find what you want anyways, unless you look for it in lonetrek, where you have a marginally better chance. More skills. For the love of god, don't we have enough filler skills in the game allready? What a waste of my time. More expenses. Why is it so expensive when the piece of crap is not even global? The Good: It got rid of the vast majority of retarded spammers and scammers. That would be worth the expense if the system was global. My personal advice to ccp, as a small time trader, would be keep the general interface, simplify the design a bit according to the above stated, make the system global and put results out on a table, similar to escrow. That would be good enough for me to stomach the taxes and the skills and not feel ripped off. Also bare in mind that escrow never replaced market, it was simply an interface for direct trade of low availability goods, and as such deserved its place. The contract system should have built on that, not replaced it with this uneffective pile of dosh we have now. So yeah, I guess I hate it.
eXtas Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.29 02:31:00 - [52] I like it, a lot beter then escrow was. but still not perfect :( Like yesterday I noticed I cant contract a ship to a corpmate because it had ammo loaded in it's guns... and I was scrambling a carrier and needed some help most other downsides have allready been talked about here.. actualy I like not beeing able to check more then one region at a time.. tho it would be nice to be able to search for just x-type or dark blood items :) not sure what I think about the tax... kinda sucked to sell a gist-x shield booster well its still beter then escrow
Jayoel	Posted - 2006.12.29 02:36:00 - [53] What about this as way to solve auctions. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=451816
D'an Y'eal Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.29 03:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Xtro 2 Edited by: Xtro 2 on 29/12/2006 01:57:42 Maybe set it up very similar to the layout of the standard market, or somehow merge the 2, the basic market already has buy / sell order ability, just expand the rubbish contracts system into a revamped market.. That's the entire point. Just use market. If the thing can't be sold I market I get that, but that is an entirely different thing: fix the market so it can be sold. DO NOT make escrow/contracts into some sort of "I want to specialize but not invest the skills" market. I don't care if you can't sell something globally using the standard market. Too damn bad. I don't care if you can't do it with contracts and you could with escrow, CCP didn't want it quite that way and they changed it.
Moxprow Darkness Realized	Posted - 2006.12.29 06:14:00 - [55] I'll let you know if I ever get to use it
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.29 06:24:00 - [56] Contracts needs an every region page like escrow, and it also needs bidding/claiming escrow from anywhere. Limiting bids and claims to regions is an unnecessary pain in the arse, right now I need to jumpclone back to empire when ever I get outbid. ---
Sinder Ohm Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.29 08:29:00 - [57] I dont like the new contracts at all. 1. I cant view all the contracts (I used to realy enjoy sitting with my morning coffe surfing escrow looking for possable bargains and just generaly window shopping) 2. Its far to easy to scam with contracts ... if you got scammed in escrow it was your own fault cos you didnt inspect the goods. 3. Better graphics != better market system !!11 I would have escrow back any day!!11 and please please the new map is even worse than the new market. If I use the new map once a week its alot I avoid it like the plauge. happy new year none the less Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.29 08:43:00 - [58] I like contracts, but we need 2 things: 1. A much higher base amount of contracts. Like 10. 2. The ability to view all contracts in a region of any type, so you can just scroll through all of them.
Sally Va	Posted - 2006.12.29 08:54:00 - [59] Plain and simple ? Contract system are a big PITA. Oh and buggy OMG so buggy. -Sorting on time left on auctions gives you like: 1 day 1 hour 10 days 2 days 2 hours etc.. I simply cannot fathom how they did not see this bug when they coded/implemented it. If I were to program something like this for a paying customer, they'd fracking SUE me. Not being able to bid on auctions in other regions is complete and utter nonsense, and it defeats the whole purpose of the system. All it creates is more clogging up of the already clogged up super-trade-hubs (JITA-RENS etc..) More skills for more contracts (more than 1 !? lol) is a timesink to keep us busy. I personally wish CCP would get their act together, because lately, they have dropped the ball on every single thing they did (bar the Tier3 BS/BC - which are actually cool)
Hari Sel'don Gallente Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2006.12.29 08:55:00 - [60] It has led to even more centralization of already over crowded trade hubs. It has led to even more overcrowding of the sales forums which are a complete tragic mess. OMFG how hard would it be to create a couple more forum channels! I think i'm going insane...

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