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Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2114	Posted - 2015.10.21 21:31:40 - [1] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I don't think she was wrong, either. Heth seemed to believe that he had been chosen as a unique individual for a special purpose - at the end he thought that HE was more important than the forces that had raised him up. In the end it bankrupted his honour, drove him from power and led to him perishing in a minor fleet action in an unremarkable part of the cosmos. "Heth seemed to believe that he had been chosen as a unique individual for a special purpose - at the end he thought that HE was more important than the forces that had raised him up." And WHO said it to YOU in the first place? A gallentean swine, whispering to your ear? So you could repeat such outrageous lie about our greatest hero? So you could defame Caldari glory with your spiteful baseless insults about Tibus Heth?! In the name of the Maker and all the Winds, WOULD YOU CLAIM YOU KNEW WHAT HE WAS THINKING?! Are you a freaking telepath, Tuulinen, to claim that Tibus Heth was thinking that?! You do realize, how stupid your claim now sound? Do you realize at all that you are repeating nothing, but gallente propaganda, blind hatred to Tibus Heth like a last gallentean lapdog would cry?! And you DARE to spit our such raving, while all the facts contadict to you? While every Caldari saw, how Tibus Heth was disregarding HIS OWN LIFE to save regular workers and fight with common soldiers?! When he was going into battle with commoners like one of commoners, instead of sitting in plush CEO chair, drinking tea and looking at them from above?! And knowing this, your fat tongue dares to move to say that "he believed he was special and unique"? I spit on threshold of your home, Tuulinen. I feel sorry I had respected you as Caldari. I cannot stand such double-faced gallentean bootlicking anymore. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Foley Aberas Jones Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 541	Posted - 2015.10.21 21:57:40 - [2] - Quote DOES THIS SERIOUSLY NEED ITS OWN GOD DAMN THREAD?
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 692	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:04:18 - [3] - Quote If its "mindless Gallante propaganda" as you have put it before, why are YOU spreading it? I doubt many people here would have payed attention to it if you didn't highlight it. Don't you realize part of propaganda is getting your enemies to dwell on it and think about it. In the end this propaganda succeed. I doubt Tuulinen is trying to or whatever, but congratulations on succombing to your own demons.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2114	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:12:18 - [4] - Quote Foley Aberas Jones wrote: DOES THIS SERIOUSLY NEED ITS OWN GOD DAMN THREAD? Yes. Because it is serious issue and because it is a separate discussion from Ms. Jenneth's discussion of Federation. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Akera Kaizen. 2	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:14:41 - [5] - Quote Seems like Diana here is missin the lesson of the parable. Hubris is not becoming of a State Citizen. The nail that sticks out will be hammered down. If you don't wanna conform and serve the State, the employer, and the greater good like we're all born to do, then go get yourself to apply for Federation citizenship. sç¦péïµ¥¡pü»µëôpüƒpéîpéïpÇé
Yarosara Ruil State War Academy Caldari State 41	Posted - 2015.10.21 22:45:04 - [6] - Quote A man should be judged for his past deeds, but Tibus Heth is no longer among us, and he can no longer defend himself from our judgment. However, the worth of a deceased man should be measured in his deeds in life, both good and bad. Tibus Heth was man that left a lasting mark on the Caldari State. I prefer remembering him for all the good he did, than what disgraced him in the eyes of the public. Please do not dishonor the dead with gossips and hearsay. Thank you.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2117	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:56:05 - [7] - Quote Good words, thank you, Ms. Ruil. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2117	Posted - 2015.10.21 23:58:35 - [8] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: If its "mindless Gallante propaganda" as you have put it before, why are YOU spreading it? I doubt many people here would have payed attention to it if you didn't highlight it. Don't you realize part of propaganda is getting your enemies to dwell on it and think about it? In the end this propaganda succeeded. I doubt Tuulinen is trying to spread propaganda or whatever, but congratulations on succumbing to your own demons. I am "spreading" it with obvious refuting, so other peoples won't accidentally consider it as a given. Let them read both sides, analyze them and think before making judgement. Providing counterarguments against axiomatic gallentean approach is the best way to fight gallentean propaganda. I will make readers think. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 694	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:10:12 - [9] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: If its "mindless Gallante propaganda" as you have put it before, why are YOU spreading it? I doubt many people here would have payed attention to it if you didn't highlight it. Don't you realize part of propaganda is getting your enemies to dwell on it and think about it? In the end this propaganda succeeded. I doubt Tuulinen is trying to spread propaganda or whatever, but congratulations on succumbing to your own demons. I am "spreading" it with obvious refuting, so other peoples won't accidentally consider it as a given. Let them read both sides, analyze them and think before making judgement. Providing counterarguments against axiomatic gallentean approach is the best way to fight gallentean propaganda. I will make readers think. What I'm saying is the more its talked about the stronger it grows. People who would believe it, with or without it being refuted, will believe it. Having it refuted will drive people who don't believe it to dwell on it and possibly believe it. Not only that but having the opposition talk about it advertises the propaganda and thus spreads it further. That's why propaganda gets spread to any opposition. Your defense is admirable, but you are kinda' doing yourself and your cause a disservice.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7730	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:18:01 - [10] - Quote Tuulinen-haan has always been the most dedicated, level-headed, and approachable of the Patriots, a credit to his corporation and to the State, one who has never faltered in his duty. Indeed, he has even assisted Kim herself through difficult times, such as those she went through following Heth's fall. Tuulinen-haan and Kim have repeatedly come to disagree, found a resolution after vitriolic statements by Kim, only for the cycle to be repeated. To those who have asked why I haven't sought to seek a peaceful resolution with Diana Kim, it is for the reason you see here: much would be sacrificed to satiate her, and then she would merely find some new insult to rail against. There is no path we can follow save ostracism. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1512	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:31:24 - [11] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Tuulinen-haan has always been the most dedicated, level-headed, and approachable of the Patriots, a credit to his corporation and to the State, one who has never faltered in his duty. Indeed, he has even assisted Kim herself through difficult times, such as those she went through following Heth's fall. Tuulinen-haan and Kim have repeatedly come to disagree, found a resolution after vitriolic statements by Kim, only for the cycle to be repeated. To those who have asked why I haven't sought to seek a peaceful resolution with Diana Kim, it is for the reason you see here: much would be sacrificed to satiate her, and then she would merely find some new insult to rail against. There is no path we can follow save ostracism. I see this endorsement of Tuulinen's character doing him no favors in Kimmy's eyes. As a matter of fact, it will likely serve only to anger her. Also, I like you. We should do lunch sometime. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 281	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:31:42 - [12] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Tuulinen-haan has always been the most dedicated, level-headed, and approachable of the Patriots, a credit to his corporation and to the State, one who has never faltered in his duty. Indeed, he has even assisted Kim herself through difficult times, such as those she went through following Heth's fall. Tuulinen-haan and Kim have repeatedly come to disagree, found a resolution after vitriolic statements by Kim, only for the cycle to be repeated. To those who have asked why I haven't sought to seek a peaceful resolution with Diana Kim, it is for the reason you see here: much would be sacrificed to satiate her, and then she would merely find some new insult to rail against. There is no path we can follow save ostracism. Admit your lies, you lying creature!
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 695	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:40:04 - [13] - Quote What has Makoto Priano actually lied about anyways? I know the "be honorable and face me" fiasco, aside from that what? And Peiter Tuulinen has always seemed nice to me, don't really get why he's getting bad mouthed. I also don't really care about whether he lied about some pointless thing or not. Pointless with regards to me or anything I support that is.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1513	Posted - 2015.10.22 00:57:06 - [14] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: What has Makoto Priano actually lied about anyways? I know the "be honorable and face me" fiasco, aside from that what? And Peiter Tuulinen has always seemed nice to me, don't really get why he's getting bad mouthed. I also don't really care about whether he lied about some pointless thing or not. Pointless with regards to me or anything I support that is. Kimmy has an issue with cognitive dissonance, any evidence conflicting her world view must be a lie. Since Miss Priano has challenged her paradigm on numerous occasions she must be a useless, lying, scum sucking, Gallentean loving, excuse for a human.... Much like everyone else who disagrees with her.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 695	Posted - 2015.10.22 01:03:15 - [15] - Quote Oh, I guess that makes sense.......
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 783	Posted - 2015.10.22 02:47:42 - [16] - Quote I think we should start putting down everything that is known about Tibus Heth, sans opinions, chronologically. Then we analyse everything about Tibus Heth's actions and deeds, just to get the records straight. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1515	Posted - 2015.10.22 04:38:32 - [17] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: I think we should start putting down everything that is known about Tibus Heth, sans opinions, chronologically. Then we analyse everything about Tibus Heth's actions and deeds, just to get the records straight. Sadly, all that would do is serve to highlight his positive accomplishments in her eyes. Any of the negative points in his career would be attributed to the Gallente in some fashion. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 783	Posted - 2015.10.22 04:39:55 - [18] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: I think we should start putting down everything that is known about Tibus Heth, sans opinions, chronologically. Then we analyse everything about Tibus Heth's actions and deeds, just to get the records straight. Sadly, all that would do is serve to highlight his positive accomplishments in her eyes. Any of the negative points in his career would be attributed to the Gallente in some fashion. However, it will help straighten things out for anyone who isn't Kim and doesn't know about Heth. Yes, people like that exists. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Skyweir Kinnison Darkwing Reconnaissance 111	Posted - 2015.10.22 07:46:56 - [19] - Quote I'm pleasantly surprised to discover that "Gallentean propaganda" efforts have proven to be so successful. If we have subverted Commander Tuulinen, then it's clear only Kim and her sock puppet remain unbrainwashed. I must write to Senator Blaque and let him know we can now go on holiday. Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 787	Posted - 2015.10.22 07:49:31 - [20] - Quote Skyweir Kinnison wrote: I'm pleasantly surprised to discover that "Gallentean propaganda" efforts have proven to be so successful. If we have subverted Commander Tuulinen, then it's clear only Kim and her sock puppet remain unbrainwashed. I must write to Senator Blaque and let him know we can now go on holiday. Look at his face. Is that the face of someone who goes on holidays? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Alizabeth Vea 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 602	Posted - 2015.10.22 09:31:57 - [21] - Quote The State has just now begun to recover from Heth's disastrous rule and you're still defending him? Kim-hanni what is in your tea? Women Gamers of EVE moderator: a place for women to gather in a male dominated EVE Online.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 787	Posted - 2015.10.22 09:50:57 - [22] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: The State has just now begun to recover from Heth's disastrous rule and you're still defending him? Kim-hanni what is in your tea? She's a die-hard fan of Heth's from since Heth was in power. I bet that if you go into her quarters you will find a framed copy of the Heth Manifesto and many many Heth merchandises and memorabilia. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Yarosara Ruil State War Academy Caldari State 42	Posted - 2015.10.22 09:59:59 - [23] - Quote Skyweir Kinnison wrote: I'm pleasantly surprised to discover that "Gallentean propaganda" efforts have proven to be so successful. If we have subverted Commander Tuulinen, then it's clear only Kim and her sock puppet remain unbrainwashed. I believe you are selling short the billions of Caldari State baseliner citizens that still refuse the Gallente hegemony. Actually, the propaganda is so effective, that millions of State citizens leave their homes and corporations behind to join the Federation in search for a better life. Oh wait, those aren't actually State citizens, rather, they are Minamatar tribals that are flocking past the Federation borders. Unfortunate creatures, trading one slaver for another, only to become low paid serfs of the Federation, with no rights of their own. How many sweatshops are hidden beneath the clean streets of the Federation, I wonder? If you measure your social victories only by the amount of Caldari capsuleers that you "brainwash" to your side, it says much about the Federation's priorities. Tibus Heth, in all his faults, did once fought for the common man. For the miners that slaved toxic substances to feed the roaring engines of Caldari industry. And his legacy remains, with an overall improvement of the working conditions of the members of the lower echelons of Caldari society. This is what I choose to remember of him, and in that aspect, he was a hero. But what do I know? I'm just a sock puppet.
Ollie Rundle 228	Posted - 2015.10.22 11:57:56 - [24] - Quote Can I suggest looking up absurdist logic and the concept of an argument to absurdity before trying to grasp at Mr Kinnison's point again, Ms. Ruil?
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 696	Posted - 2015.10.22 12:53:02 - [25] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: I believe you are selling short the billions of Caldari State baseliner citizens that still refuse the Gallente hegemony. Actually, the propaganda is so effective, that millions of State citizens leave their homes and corporations behind to join the Federation in search for a better life. Oh wait, those aren't actually State citizens, rather, they are Minamatar tribals that are flocking past the Federation borders. Unfortunate creatures, trading one slaver for another, only to become low paid serfs of the Federation, with no rights of their own. How many sweatshops are hidden beneath the clean streets of the Federation, I wonder? If you measure your social victories only by the amount of Caldari capsuleers that you "brainwash" to your side, it says much about the Federation's priorities. See all those Matari people moving to the Federation? See them looking back at the home world their own people control and they can return to at any time? Wow that reminds me, I should go visit Matar. I haven't gone in a few months. Whens the last time you set foot on Caldari Prime Ms. Ruil? Yarosara Ruil wrote: Tibus Heth, in all his faults, DID ONCE fought for the common man. For the miners that slaved toxic substances to feed the roaring engines of Caldari industry. And his legacy remains, with an overall improvement of the working conditions of the members of the lower echelons of Caldari society. This is what I choose to remember of him, and in that aspect, he was a hero. See what I highlighted there? Like most tyrannical leaders he did at one time do a lot of good. He wouldn't have remained in power without actually being seen as doing some good. If you wish to remember him for that, who could argue? If your going to ignore all his misgivings to just focus on one aspect of his reign that's where you see half of the opposition to it. Yarosara Ruil wrote: But what do I know? I'm just a sock puppet. With no personality of my own. Point taken.
Quattras Peione Vagrant Skies A Band Apart. 169	Posted - 2015.10.22 16:49:13 - [26] - Quote Ancestors choke, this is ludicrous. What Pieter said was a statement of opinion, not remotely presented as fact. He stated what, according to his own observations, Heth seemed to believe. While I still hold some minor grudges towards the legacy of the Provist regime, the truth of the matter is that I don't blame Tibus. His ideals were populist in nature, a sentiment with which I strongly sympathize. It was the machine of government that got carried away. Like so many similar movements in the past, the inertia of change carried Provism from a reform movement to a reactionary one. Fear can be a strong motivator, and the State had much to fear in those days, both internally and abroad. Every single one of us has done regrettable things in the name of a good cause. Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Sahriah BloodStone No.Mercy Triumvirate. 217	Posted - 2015.10.22 18:42:59 - [27] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: So you could defame Caldari glory with your spiteful baseless insults about Tibus Heth?! Do you know what's worse? It's when some of the State's most vocal warriors display themselves to be so weak of mind, that they feel the need to bleat on public forums like a child because someone said something that upset them, instead of handling it as any proper Caldari would. Seriously, with the way you act in this forum it would be remiss to suspect that you weren't actually a Gallentean or Minmatar yourself. Sahriah Bloodstone Praetor, No.Mercy "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1518	Posted - 2015.10.22 18:52:31 - [28] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Seriously, with the way you act in this forum it would be remiss to suspect that you weren't actually a Gallentean or Minmatar yourself. Hey! We ain't that bad..... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 697	Posted - 2015.10.22 19:14:05 - [29] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Seriously, with the way you act in this forum it would be remiss to suspect that you weren't actually a Gallentean or Minmatar yourself. Hey! We ain't that bad..... Ya!
Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 342	Posted - 2015.10.22 19:25:59 - [30] - Quote Tibus Heth a true patriot, corrupt corporations do not know what patriotism, for profit, they are ready to gobble each other. Tibus Heth Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE" Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110 Empress capsuleer. CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. "All these wayward children."

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