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yonika
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Posted - 2015.10.25 00:12:09 -
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Ok I'm expecting alot of hate for this suggestion but here goes!
Personally I'd propose making a change so that only freighters and some industrial ships have Jump Drives.
WHY?
How many times do you set up a camp or or go on a roam and engage a target only for a cyno to go up and you or your gang get jumped on by superior numbers or forces?
There was a time when no ships had jump drives and fights were fun you could still get jumped but at least that was due to poor scouting or lack of good intel for the surrounding systems, now its almost impossible to engage a target without the chance of a cyno lighting and superior numbers engaging you and this is almost impossible to counter as they could be coming from any of 50 systems potentially.
This in my opinion is the major reason that numbers of players in eve have dropped as well as making people hide every time someone enters a system this is then compounded still further in 0.0 where super size alliances are the only ones capable of fielding fleets of carriers, super carriers, dreads and if required titans.
Having the chance of seeing an enemy cap fleet coming because it has to through a gate gives you a chance of moving out of the way or countering without worrying about numbers suddenly exploding to unbeatable levels with a smaller group this is not to say you won't get caught but more that you have more of a chance of getting a fight that you are willing to take without having to be concerned about 50 ships suddenly appearing that you can't see coming to your 10 v 10 engagement or even your 10 ships vs 20 enemy ships that your willing to take on.
As for Black Ops ships make them able to warp cloaked and more like a heavy bomber boost the scan resolution and targeting range per level as well as tracking and range of weapons say 5% per level of black ops ships. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2015.10.25 10:58:23 -
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It is way easier to scout these days with jump fatigue. Where on the doll did the hotdrop touch you?
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.25 13:38:42 -
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Not supported because you got hotdropped
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yonika
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Posted - 2015.10.25 13:52:00 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:It is way easier to scout these days with jump fatigue. Where on the doll did the hotdrop touch you?
Actually your right that its easier to scout than it was last year but when I say its harder to scout now I'm talking than it was pre capitals. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.10.25 14:11:13 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Not supported because you got hotdropped
Why?
When you study the history of EvE the major problems that CCP is still trying to sort out with nul sec started with the introduction of jump drives. In many ways the OP is a logical way to deal with the issues surrounding the use of jump drives and it deserves to be discussed as a solution or as a part of a solution to the jump drive related problems that still plague nul.
Personally I do not care one way or the other. I play EvE because I like it and I will continue to adapt to the changes in the game as I have in the past but there is some merrit to the OP suggestion. |
Faxat
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Posted - 2015.10.25 14:34:04 -
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I actually would'nt mind them revisiting how cynos work in general;
First there are suggestions to remove dependancy on cynos by letting people jump to solar systems "blindly" appearing at a random spot in solar system, to balance this, a warpin beacon will stay for 30 seconds on the jumper.
Second, tweaks to the cyno module in itself would make sense. Maybe give the duration of the cyno be based on isotopes in inventory, and eating a chunk of this based on mass of the ship jumping in.
Other tweaks could be to prevernt help given to the cynoer or increasing the requirements on the module, giving frigates a hard time with fitting it. Making a t2 version which you can pulse with 5s intervals, making it wildly more usable on larger ships.
The cyno mechanics is ancient, and for many that makes this for some reason untouchable mechanics wise. But with the changes to capitals, tweaking cynoing makes sense for a more tactical playstyle.
Faxat out! o/
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
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Posted - 2015.10.25 18:39:15 -
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Now, if you were really inclined to nerf cynos, I'd do it by giving ships that go through it a 30 second jump time. So cyno lights, you have 30 seconds to kill the opposing tacklers and jump away, or alternatively 30 seconds to light your own cyno and spark a capital fight if you happen to have some on bat phone. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.10.25 18:48:49 -
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yonika wrote:Ok I'm expecting alot of hate for this suggestion but here goes!
Personally I'd propose making a change so that only freighters and some industrial ships have Jump Drives.
WHY?
How many times do you set up a camp or or go on a roam and engage a target only for a cyno to go up and you or your gang get jumped on by superior numbers or forces?
How many times have you gone through a gate only to be jumped by superior numbers
How many times have you jumped through a gate with a fleet just to have the campers warp off
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.10.25 18:56:40 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Not supported because you got hotdropped Why? When you study the history of EvE the major problems that CCP is still trying to sort out with nul sec started with the introduction of jump drives. In many ways the OP is a logical way to deal with the issues surrounding the use of jump drives and it deserves to be discussed as a solution or as a part of a solution to the jump drive related problems that still plague nul. Personally I do not care one way or the other. I play EvE because I like it and I will continue to adapt to the changes in the game as I have in the past but there is some merrit to the OP suggestion.
because jump drives are one of the only real way small groups can be effective in nullsec against larger groups
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.25 19:02:12 -
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if you want scouts to have more of a chance, have a cynos require a spool up before the cyno actually goes active to jump to. for the entire spool up the warp in beacon lights up. This means you have to have a relatively safe system to jump to, as well as the standard of multiple cynos in the same system. Because of the ease of possibly stopping the cyno by blowing it up, ships will either be supremely big and brick tanked, or cyno's will light in neighboring "secured" systems and the caps will have to jump in and take gates.
blops and covert cynos need not apply to this, they are working as intended.
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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
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Posted - 2015.10.25 20:20:38 -
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i am against removal of jump drives even though the OP has a valid point that in most cases a cyno would go up and reinforcements arrive. It should be possible but it can be frustrating yes.
i am not active playing ATM but when i did it was like this and an honest fight was hard to find, this doesn't mean that we should remove cyno`s but i am interested in ideas to make more fun fights possible
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yonika
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Posted - 2015.10.25 23:56:03 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Donnachadh wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Not supported because you got hotdropped Why? When you study the history of EvE the major problems that CCP is still trying to sort out with nul sec started with the introduction of jump drives. In many ways the OP is a logical way to deal with the issues surrounding the use of jump drives and it deserves to be discussed as a solution or as a part of a solution to the jump drive related problems that still plague nul. Personally I do not care one way or the other. I play EvE because I like it and I will continue to adapt to the changes in the game as I have in the past but there is some merrit to the OP suggestion. because jump drives are one of the only real way small groups can be effective in nullsec against larger groups
And larger groups can wipe out smaller groups by jumping in things like 5 super carriers where smaller groups can't and if necessary they have more on standby. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.10.26 01:48:27 -
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yonika wrote:How many times do you set up a camp or or go on a roam and engage a target only for a cyno to go up and you or your gang get jumped on by superior numbers or forces? like once in the last month. Maybe couple months. |
Asuka Solo
Instant Annihilation
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Posted - 2015.10.26 05:26:18 -
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I propose we nerf gate camps so only pods and shuttles can sit on a gate.
Because of pew.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2015.10.26 06:13:33 -
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yonika wrote:Ok I'm expecting alot of hate for this suggestion but here goes!
Personally I'd propose making a change so that only freighters and some industrial ships have Jump Drives.
WHY?
How many times do you set up a camp or or go on a roam and engage a target only for a cyno to go up and you or your gang get jumped on by superior numbers or forces?
There was a time when no ships had jump drives and fights were fun you could still get jumped but at least that was due to poor scouting or lack of good intel for the surrounding systems, now its almost impossible to engage a target without the chance of a cyno lighting and superior numbers engaging you and this is almost impossible to counter as they could be coming from any of 50 systems potentially.
This in my opinion is the major reason that numbers of players in eve have dropped as well as making people hide every time someone enters a system this is then compounded still further in 0.0 where super size alliances are the only ones capable of fielding fleets of carriers, super carriers, dreads and if required titans.
Having the chance of seeing an enemy cap fleet coming because it has to through a gate gives you a chance of moving out of the way or countering without worrying about numbers suddenly exploding to unbeatable levels with a smaller group this is not to say you won't get caught but more that you have more of a chance of getting a fight that you are willing to take without having to be concerned about 50 ships suddenly appearing that you can't see coming to your 10 v 10 engagement or even your 10 ships vs 20 enemy ships that your willing to take on.
As for Black Ops ships make them able to warp cloaked and more like a heavy bomber boost the scan resolution and targeting range per level as well as tracking and range of weapons say 5% per level of black ops ships.
Yeah because the hotdrops raised because of the jump fatigue. Sounds strange to you ? To me too.
Just because you wanna fight with your 20 buddys against 1 ship and you got hotdropped, there is no reason to change the whole game. Just flee if you see the cyno or take the fight. But don-Št take the fight and cry here later how bad this is.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.26 06:57:03 -
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yonika wrote:Ok I'm expecting alot of hate for this suggestion
As well you should.
yonika wrote:How many times do you set up a camp or or go on a roam and engage a target only for a cyno to go up and you or your gang get jumped on by superior numbers or forces?
Hasn't happened to me yet, and I haven't yet seen it happen to anyone else. That's not really the main way ships die in EVE.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2015.10.26 07:11:57 -
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Well before jump fatigue. I got hot dropped in a *single* solo vexor, by a huge fleet of Ishtars. It was hilarious.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.10.26 07:24:43 -
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yonika wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Donnachadh wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Not supported because you got hotdropped Why? When you study the history of EvE the major problems that CCP is still trying to sort out with nul sec started with the introduction of jump drives. In many ways the OP is a logical way to deal with the issues surrounding the use of jump drives and it deserves to be discussed as a solution or as a part of a solution to the jump drive related problems that still plague nul. Personally I do not care one way or the other. I play EvE because I like it and I will continue to adapt to the changes in the game as I have in the past but there is some merrit to the OP suggestion. because jump drives are one of the only real way small groups can be effective in nullsec against larger groups And larger groups can wipe out smaller groups by jumping in things like 5 super carriers where smaller groups can't and if necessary they have more on standby.
Nothing cam be done, larger groups will always be able to drop more but smaller groups can still have an element of suprise and maybe catch a super, a smaller group wouldnt stand a chance in nullsec if they had to take the gates as intel channels would already know the smaller group was around before getting anywhere near a target
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oohthey ioh
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.27 10:06:50 -
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yonika wrote:Ok I'm expecting alot of hate for this suggestion but here goes!
Personally I'd propose making a change so that only freighters and some industrial ships have Jump Drives.
I think it should be the other way around, jump freighter make space logistics too easy and risk free, jumping station to station with values is pretty ******, back in the day you would be escorted or scouted.
And being hot dropped by an blob is part of the game, stopping them form doing is boring, but discouraging them form hot dropping an single is better.
But you could always not fly something worth hotdropping.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
2049
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Posted - 2015.10.27 11:01:32 -
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yonika wrote:How many times do you set up a camp or or go on a roam and engage a target only for a cyno to go up and you or your gang get jumped on by superior numbers or forces?
Easy counter: Simply use your head and don't engage. Check a suspiciously juicy looking target on the KBs before you mindlessly fire away.
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Kooshti
Bargain Booze
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Posted - 2015.10.27 11:07:07 -
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its funny because she was probably gatecamping so she could blob whatever came through the gate #piratelife
 you outnumber a cyno ship with your fleet then get suprised when your fleet all of a sudden gets outnumbered |
Galphii
Oberon Incorporated
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.10.27 11:27:46 -
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Faxat wrote:I actually would'nt mind them revisiting how cynos work in general;
First there are suggestions to remove dependancy on cynos by letting people jump to solar systems "blindly" appearing at a random spot in solar system, to balance this, a warpin beacon will stay for 30 seconds on the jumper.
Second, tweaks to the cyno module in itself would make sense. Maybe give the duration of the cyno be based on isotopes in inventory, and eating a chunk of this based on mass of the ship jumping in.
Other tweaks could be to prevernt help given to the cynoer or increasing the requirements on the module, giving frigates a hard time with fitting it. Making a t2 version which you can pulse with 5s intervals, making it wildly more usable on larger ships.
The cyno mechanics is ancient, and for many that makes this for some reason untouchable mechanics wise. But with the changes to capitals, tweaking cynoing makes sense for a more tactical playstyle.
All good ideas, ccp should pick a few and implement them, because the OP is right about some of those issues. The threat of an instant fleet appearing on top of you every time a neutral pilot enters system is tiresome. At the moment we have jump fatigue which is annoying capital pilots, yet still permitting hotdropping, which is annoying to everyone else. They've tweaked the rules to **** off basically everybody and need to adjust the dial.
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yonika
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Posted - 2015.10.27 13:34:42 -
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Actually no it was my BC engaging a rupture solo only for a cyno to go up and 3 Aeons a Levithon 2 Archons and 3 Panthers jumped in and killed me in 0.0 no gate camp and I was alone |
Kooshti
Bargain Booze
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Posted - 2015.10.27 13:37:43 -
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yonika wrote:Actually no it was my BC engaging a rupture solo only for a cyno to go up and 3 Aeons a Levithon 2 Archons and 3 Panthers jumped in and killed me in 0.0 no gate camp and I was alone
Pictures or it didnt happen as your killboard says nothing
your alliance killboard is entertaining though, tell me more about the orca you blobbed, or the oracle you hotdropped with a load of blops |
yonika
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Posted - 2015.10.31 11:34:14 -
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Kooshti wrote:yonika wrote:Actually no it was my BC engaging a rupture solo only for a cyno to go up and 3 Aeons a Levithon 2 Archons and 3 Panthers jumped in and killed me in 0.0 no gate camp and I was alone Pictures or it didnt happen as your killboard says nothing your alliance killboard is entertaining though, tell me more about the orca you blobbed, or the oracle you hotdropped with a load of blops
I'm not saying we haven't hot dropped we have, and to be honest we've done it with both blops and titan bridges and in spite of the size of my mains corp we have probably more capitals than most per head and not being able to jump would be a major pain including for my accounts having 2 carriers and a dread myself but I still see this as a potentially better solution than the current situation. Especially for small alliances trying to defend there space against an unaware invading force. |
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