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Matae
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:49:00 -
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I find it hard to get excited about new ship models or anything else that shows better looking objects. When I am fighting another player or involved in fleet battles, I really couldn't tell you any details on another ship. As long as I can tell what it is, it makes no difference whether itĘs a block or polygon.
The only things I look for in patch notes are things that claim to reduce lag. These get me excited. A 2 fps increase gets me excited. Seeing new ship models with rich detail makes me just want to go cry knowing that every angle could possibly slow down a fight. Walking in stations, seeing posts about realistic ship damage, or anything else adding eye candy all ranks the same.. 
Anyone else feel this way or is fantastic looks important to you? Are you more for a mixture? To be honest, I would love this game if it were almost a mudd with zero lag and no freezes during large fights. If we could get this and the candy then so much the better but performance before I say. What say you?
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:59:00 -
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well in general speaking i like eyecandy for a while.. fresh stuff i enable em and enjoy and such
if it goes too much into performance i switch em off after a while sinc ei know how it looks like
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Admiral Pieg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.30 03:59:00 -
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You do know that the vast majority of eves population lives in empire space right? In empire space, most of the time its either just you or you and a couple of your buddies. You wont notice any details on another ship because there arent any worth noticing. There are no damage effects, the turret at missile effects are pitiful and other effects such as hardeners/nos/EW etc have always looked horrible. I for one am looking forward to the new graphics, if only to see what the eve art department can achieve with todays tools when they did such a fantastic job years ago.
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:10:00 -
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hmm. eve has a lot of nice stuff around
those spider drones... *shudder*
or drone hive, thsoe "dominix infested things" look scary
saw some pics from someone exploring, nice pics, nice eyecandy
eve has a lots of tiny neat stuff
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Dotar Sojat
Reality Check
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:20:00 -
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Performance is key, hell everyone I come in contact with in-game plays with no sound, effects off and turret effects off at this point anyway. That itself should be embarrassing enough to CCP to buckle down and debug, hell hire some gunslingers to come in and fix it. Send all the designers on a 6 month cruise and let the nerds and geeks rule the roost for awhile. |
Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:21:00 -
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...actually i play 98% of my time WIH sound and no fps loss at all for that.
effects/turrets on/off ratio is about 50%, depending on my mood and what i do
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JADE DRAG0NESS
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:24:00 -
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Im Looking fowad to the new stuff because im one of those poor deluded fools who fly Mimitar. And right now there ships look like S***. However recently ive seen the new stabber model and it looks VERY nice i wish i could find a link for you but i cant but now it seems Mimitar ships will look great now.
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Internet Knight
Caldari
The Knighthawks
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:30:00 -
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bugfixes > lagfixes > new features > eyecandy
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.12.30 04:31:00 -
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Minmatar are those High-Tech Shaver right? :-P
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Rakeris
Legio VIII
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Posted - 2006.12.30 05:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Internet Knight
bugfixes > lagfixes > new features > eyecandy
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.12.30 05:26:00 -
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well... it's kinda hard to be proud of the scythe/scimitar if it looks like the hunchback of notre dame... the bits of art we're fed once a year do keep us going though :o
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ghosttr
Amarr
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:00:00 -
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It gives me something to look at when i am waiting 2+ months for my reimbursement petition to be awnsered.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:07:00 -
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You have to remember that a new rendering engine will enhance performance since the current one does not use the graphics card at all.
At the moment all calculations are done on the cpu, hence why it is so painful running more than one or two clients. Some of this needs to be off loaded. This is what the new clients are going to be bringing to the table (hopefully).
So while you bash the current performance, a new engine would probably solve alot of this performance related lag etc by itself. I myself think it is a must to stay competitive with other games that are currently coming to the market.
The sound engine is a different story... that thing needs to be shot.
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ghosttr
Amarr
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ
You have to remember that a new rendering engine will enhance performance since the current one does not use the graphics card at all.
At the moment all calculations are done on the cpu, hence why it is so painful running more than one or two clients. Some of this needs to be off loaded. This is what the new clients are going to be bringing to the table (hopefully).
So while you bash the current performance, a new engine would probably solve alot of this performance related lag etc by itself. I myself think it is a must to stay competitive with other games that are currently coming to the market.
The sound engine is a different story... that thing needs to be shot.
I would however like some 3d sound for my surround sound speakers. So if i get shot from behind I can hear what direction its coming form and not have to move my screen all over the place.
I don't have a problem with authority...
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Matae
I find it hard to get excited about new ship models or anything else that shows better looking objects. When I am fighting another player or involved in fleet battles, I really couldn't tell you any details on another ship. As long as I can tell what it is, it makes no difference whether itĘs a block or polygon.
The only things I look for in patch notes are things that claim to reduce lag. These get me excited. A 2 fps increase gets me excited. Seeing new ship models with rich detail makes me just want to go cry knowing that every angle could possibly slow down a fight. Walking in stations, seeing posts about realistic ship damage, or anything else adding eye candy all ranks the same..
Anyone else feel this way or is fantastic looks important to you? Are you more for a mixture? To be honest, I would love this game if it were almost a mudd with zero lag and no freezes during large fights. If we could get this and the candy then so much the better but performance before I say. What say you?
Anything with new graphics to a game what lags in fleet combats... makes me shake my head in doubt.
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If eve even makes close up to 60-70k+ dollars per day as budget.. they could throw about 140k-300k easily to hardware upgrade once per year.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: MysticNZ
You have to remember that a new rendering engine will enhance performance since the current one does not use the graphics card at all.
At the moment all calculations are done on the cpu, hence why it is so painful running more than one or two clients. Some of this needs to be off loaded. This is what the new clients are going to be bringing to the table (hopefully).
So while you bash the current performance, a new engine would probably solve alot of this performance related lag etc by itself. I myself think it is a must to stay competitive with other games that are currently coming to the market.
The sound engine is a different story... that thing needs to be shot.
I would however like some 3d sound for my surround sound speakers. So if i get shot from behind I can hear what direction its coming form and not have to move my screen all over the place.
I'd love a new sound engine, would to take advantage of my Audigy. I really hope the new client is built from the ground up from scratch.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.30 06:42:00 -
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If they'd fix sound then most people would leave it on I suspect. If they'd give us new weapon sound effects that actually suit the turret guns then I'd be right there (although artilleries are pretty sweet sounding).
I love eye candy. I'd love it more if I could keep it all on while fighting massive battles and have the client gracefully degrade effects to keep the FPS up. That, or if they'd disconnect interface performance from 3-D performance so even if I drop to 5 FPS on the client from purely client-side problems I can still manage targeting/firing at full speed.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.30 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 30/12/2006 07:30:13
Originally by: MysticNZ
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I'd love a new sound engine, would to take advantage of my Audigy. I really hope the new client is built from the ground up from scratch.
Read up on Creative Labs' plans for Vista.
Just another reason not to throw more money towards Redmond.
Edit: Meh ...
Eye candy is very important for me. I loved the old suns.
I love the old Minmatar ships. The new ones are just copied soulless Caldari design ripoffs.
What do I have from all the nice coming eye candy under normal conditions?
When I'm travelling I'll see the thruster section of my ship in a closeup camera position.
While I am in a fight I usually zoom out for a better view of what's going on around me. Most to all ships are mere blips on the screen.
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The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing.
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Cyclops43
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:18:00 -
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EYE candy tends to mean nothing to most people I think. First time you look its 'nice', but after that you don't notice it.
Then there is the performance issue. Most people I know off turn off as many graphics/sound features as possible to reduce client lag, i.e. speed means more than looks.
In a way this is quite a compliment to EVE's gameplay (which can not be said about many current games). It is the gameplay that attract people, not the fancy graphics.
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sonofollo
Caldari
5th Front enterprises
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.30 08:35:00 -
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CCP knows that eye candy sells content, a bug free game and widespread ease of use come 2nd. And then it is and was eye candy first , gameplay stability 2nd , everything else 3rd only when enough players whine
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:25:00 -
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I would play EVE if it looked like pac man as long as it kept the gameplay.
Simple fact for any good gamer Gameplay-eyecandy
Simple fact for any noob gamer eyecandy-Gameplay
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.12.30 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Twin blade
Simple fact for any good gamer Gameplay-eyecandy
Simple fact for any noob gamer eyecandy-Gameplay
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:08:00 -
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Perhaps the new graphics engine comes with options you can turn off to increase fps. That alone would make it worth while.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:21:00 -
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Gameplay before graphics.
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Lilrie Myen
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lilrie Myen on 30/12/2006 13:38:01
Style > simple graphics
Of course, a game with graphics but crappy gameplay is not worth much, but graphics add that immersion factor that is also important for me. Hell, it's why i have that Love - Hate relationship with NWN and i played it for so long.
And what i meant with my first statement. Style... In my opinion games like Baldur's gate had way better graphics than NWN and sometimes even NWN2 (this is for those that know those games). If i get to eve. I prefer Minmatar ships compared to some silly Gallente. I just can't bear the sight of a megathron for example, stupid toy for 3 year olds it looks like. I love eve because of its dark, serious style, not only because of pretty explosions.
Now if (or shall i say, when) stuff like visible damage, wear, etc. show up in eve with the new graphics engine, i will be thrilled. I LOVE great graphics along with an awesome game (again, if the style is good. If eve had silly cartooney graphics no matter how 'good' they were i'd hate it). Now i only wish they redid that sound engine, i love the sounds too, they add a lot to the game, but it's unplayable in PvP with it on. 
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Isyel
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:39:00 -
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^ Arg, that was my alt i never use.  *goes on to delete the char*
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Originally by: Wrangler
We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!  
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.30 13:49:00 -
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Though game mechanics are prime...To me.. eye candy is quite important.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2006.12.30 14:07:00 -
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I've said it before in almost every single discussion of this, and I'll say it again...
Eve's original engine is perhaps 7 years old. In terms of modern games engines, it's a dinosaur. A dinosaur that's missed out on most of 7 years of rapid evolution, that doesn't have the first clue about how to use more than one CPU, and thinks that graphics cards exist exclusively to do hardware transform and lighting, and would typically like to believe that there's perhaps 5000 players online, never more than 20 in local, and assumes your card can just about handle DirectX 8.
There are precious few things that we can do to improve client performance that DON'T involve major surgery to the engine, and even fewer if you exclude those that are going to require radical surgery to a large amount of the graphic content.
How stupid would we be, if we made huge changes to the art content of Eve, and made major changes to how the engine works to try and start taking advantage of multiple cores and GPU shaders, and we *didn't* update the look of the engine at the same time as part of that huge cost of engineering and asset redevelopment?
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PKlavins
Caldari
3rdlane Industries
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
I've said it before in almost every single discussion of this, and I'll say it again...
Eve's original engine is perhaps 7 years old. In terms of modern games engines, it's a dinosaur. A dinosaur that's missed out on most of 7 years of rapid evolution, that doesn't have the first clue about how to use more than one CPU, and thinks that graphics cards exist exclusively to do hardware transform and lighting, and would typically like to believe that there's perhaps 5000 players online, never more than 20 in local, and assumes your card can just about handle DirectX 8.
There are precious few things that we can do to improve client performance that DON'T involve major surgery to the engine, and even fewer if you exclude those that are going to require radical surgery to a large amount of the graphic content.
How stupid would we be, if we made huge changes to the art content of Eve, and made major changes to how the engine works to try and start taking advantage of multiple cores and GPU shaders, and we *didn't* update the look of the engine at the same time as part of that huge cost of engineering and asset redevelopment?
intruiging...7 years old and still wins MMORPG.com's award for best graphics...must be one helluva old engine...
on a slightly related note...is the engine gonna be revamped + new ship skins added for kali 2? or am i totally off track?
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Tykari
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.30 14:15:00 -
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To me a game has to look good. However, no matter how good a game may look like, if the gameplay is terrible then it's trash. For example in EvE. The shields, when you still have shields and you get hit it shows your hull getting hit and that's it. It would be nice to see a shield impact when shields are up. Now as nice as it would be if the game ends up lagging to hell because of it leave it as it is.
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