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Shakuul Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering	Posted - 2006.12.30 10:12:00 - [1] You should probably train them if you intend on playing the game for several months. My problem with learning skills is they force you to choose between playing the game but crippling your character and logging on just to switch skills but ensuring your character is the best it can be. I think it would be better if learning skills were removed completely and characters were simply given higher attributes. People who had trained learning skills could be reimbursed (by being given additional SPs, or whatever).
Ratsock Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.30 11:24:00 - [2] I think some of the devs have said in the past that they regretted putting learning skills in after a while. All its doing is increasing the gap between new and old players. However, now that its in theres not much to do about it. They at least reduced the requirement of lvl5 basic to lvl4 before u can move onto advanced learning. Step in the right direction i suppose.
Ishtov	Posted - 2006.12.30 11:26:00 - [3] Train yourself up to a level where you're enjoying the game and making ISK. Then start your learning skills. If you get really bored, stop training your learning skills and train your other skills up until you can do something new, than go back to learning. The worst and most common advice I've heard (and therefore, the biggest mistake that new players make) is that people should IMMEDIATELY start their learning skills. If you're bored, you won't play. Get yourself into doing stuff that is fun before you start the learning skills. Or, if you play other MMO's, or other games... play them while you're doing learning skills so you're not bored.
MorbidPenguin Hard Corp Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.12.30 13:55:00 - [4] Edited by: MorbidPenguin on 30/12/2006 13:55:22 Better yet, download and install Evemon and configure the skills you want to train - Evemon will then give you suggestions on which learning skills and which levels to train. If you want to get into combat, there really is no point in training Charisima. Personally, I've only been playing for about a month, but I have Int and Mem basic at level 5 and the advanced Int and Mem at level 4. Next, I've got it planned out to train basic Perception to level 5 and the advanced to level 3 because I want to train drones. When I need to train willpower or charisma, I can do those; in the meantime, I'm only training the attribute enhancers that will speed up what I want to train immediately.
Soul Corrosion	Posted - 2006.12.30 14:47:00 - [5] note that EveMon doesn't seem to have updated it's recommendations to take into account the new pre-reqs for the advanced learning, it still tells you to go to basic 5 before the advanced (though only when making an auto-recommendation, when you set a plan to train adv learning it works correctly)
Protunia Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:07:00 - [6] Edited by: Protunia on 31/12/2006 06:11:26 I would train them at least to level 4 regular and level 3 adv. that wouldnt take to much time and youd get a good base to start learning skills with. Dont buy into the learning them to max unless you plan on playing for years. Another thing to remember is sometimes you are going to miss training something. Ive had 6 hours go to waste the last couple of days. I just didnt remember to switch skills to a long enough skill or simply wanted to finish a skill regardless if I missed some time. My Character Stats
Eternal Fury Shadow Of The Light Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:12:00 - [7] it's actually quite simple. While you are online and playing, train up the skills you need for combat/tradeing/mining/production/whatever that you want to do with EvE, and when offline(Sleep/work/partying) you train your learning skills. This allows you(in combination with the new higher starting SP's) to have a char that can do what you want on a day to day basis, while still training up your learning skills. I would LOVE for CCP to get their 2 skill at a time thing going like they said they were going to. This would allow you to train your learning skills AND combat skills at the same time. If you plan on playing the game for any length over a year, do your learning skills ASAP. If you are only going to play for 6 months to a year, don't worry about them. Eternal Fury Shadow Of The Light .SOL.
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:09:00 - [8] A few months ago I would have said "no." Now that adv learning skills no longer require level 5 basics, its a non-issue. You get +3 to a stat in 6 hours, what's not to like? The problem is that some people are neurotic, they have to have learning level 5 in everything before they start training something else.
Imaos	Posted - 2007.01.01 09:49:00 - [9] Even if you start out only learning the learning skills: It isn't bad as your 1m sp starting char needs enough time in his frig doing l1 missions to earn faction for l2. Even the 256k chars had enough skills to fly l1 missions (maybe a short distraction for an afterburner). And l1 is pretty much everything you can do at the beginning.
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance	Posted - 2007.01.01 15:00:00 - [10] I picked away at learning skills a little at a time. Pretty much what i needed to help out what i was training at the time. After almost 3 months i have all but charisma at 4, learning at 4, and advanced learning to 3. I will pick away at the rest until they are all at lvl 4, but i have more important ship skills to learn for a few modules first. It worked for my toon, so it will work for anyone else.
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 02/01/2007 13:08:49 I just got a second account for EVE - Shrugs.. while my main still learns those 30day skills. my alt is learning all his learning "lol" to adv rank 4 so he is still in the same boat as the main but I guess he could learn mem / intel to adv rank 5 as he will just be my indust Toon- he does have a +4 set to start off with tho which my main never had hehe! dam that Cybernetics rank 4 was a drag for him 3days later tho quick +4 to all stats
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.01.02 18:53:00 - [12] Just to let you know. I got in this game when a friend of mine showed me shortly after he started. That was two years ago. After a month or two, I started training learning skills and he didn't. I now have 27m SP and he only has about 15-16m SP. It's annoying to train, but it's worth it. ----------------------------------------------------------- The winners of EVE have spoken. Let's all quit GoonSwarm and go to Empire while we still have some ISK left.
Diragi Interstellar Privateers Of Res Communis	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Cipher7 The problem is that some people are neurotic, they have to have learning level 5 in everything before they start training something else. Exactly.. why to so many people treat the learning skills as an all or nothing deal? At the lowest levels (of learning skills) you can make your time back on the next skill trained (if something like racial frigate 4 or 5!). Alternatively you can mix in your learning with your 'fun' skills. Ie load up on int/mem skills and then go out and learn electronics and engineering. Then go back for per/wil and finish off with weapons and spaceship command. Or vica versa and/or in iterations.
Dimagus	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:50:00 - [14] At the very minimum all players should get Level 4 in Basic learnings and Level 3 in the Advanced. Overall it's +7 to a stat for ~3 days training time max. Once you reach that point though, going any further really will depend on your playtime and expected tenure in EVE. Basic 5 will take 4-5 days for only +1, and the better part of the week for only +1 stat gain doesn't look too appealling. Advanced 4 is little more manageable at ~3 days, but considering that's the time it took to get the first +7, it's still the same lack of appeal as Basic 5. As for Advanced 5... two full weeks is a lesson in pain, and unless you're going on vacation, business trips, or crunch time for finals, most will opt out. Aim for 4/3 for each stat (except maybe CHA) but mix in practical skills for the particular stats you've already finished. Once you get all the stats finished, you can comfortably branch out into whatever style character you like.
Edsel Dominus Nihil Development	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:53:00 - [15] It's all about patience. How much or how little determins what you do.
UberKnot	Posted - 2007.01.04 07:11:00 - [16] Edited by: UberKnot on 04/01/2007 07:11:51 Originally by: Ismern Just to let you know. I got in this game when a friend of mine showed me shortly after he started. That was two years ago. After a month or two, I started training learning skills and he didn't. I now have 27m SP and he only has about 15-16m SP. It's annoying to train, but it's worth it. well if you know your character and lay out the attributes right you can have a descent amount of SP per month. I have only trained one level 5 ( Mem ) the rest are level 4 and then all are level 3 adv and using +3 implants. I started with basically no SP to speak of. That was on 9/11/06 its now 1/4/07 and in less than 4 months I have over 4 million SP and gaining. when I was 1 month I only had 800k So I have been getting more than 1 million SP a month now. My current attributes are. Perc 24 Char 19 Int 18 Will 18 Mem 16 Are those the perfect character stats no but what I plan todo it works out nicely. ;) I figure by the time I hit two years I would have well over 25 million SP and thats just training them to 4/3 basically and using +3 imps. Now once I get +4 imps and train up the adv 3's to 4's more icing on the cake! Anyhow like was said getting those first skills to 4 doesnt take alot of time and then you get the others to 3 as you can afford the books. Also do not forget that implants are instant attribute points and do make a difference in the learning times.
AvatarADV	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:55:00 - [17] Frankly, why not mix learning and "useful" skills? You're going to have a lot of low-level skills early on, and there's not a lot of skills you need to push all the way to 5 immediately. Do the short-term stuff while you're playing, and whatever long-term skill is a best-fit for your next away period. It's not the absolute most efficient method, but saving 5% time on a two-hour skill training period isn't a deal-killer. It's not a race to battleships, and a relatively short investment of time in other categories can give you a big kick in performance in the meantime. It also lets you play and figure out which types of stuff you enjoy actually doing, while the skill training times are short enough that.
xHalcyonx Amarr EmpiresMod	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:13:00 - [18] Originally by: UberKnot Edited by: UberKnot on 04/01/2007 07:28:38 Originally by: Ismern Just to let you know. I got in this game when a friend of mine showed me shortly after he started. That was two years ago. After a month or two, I started training learning skills and he didn't. I now have 27m SP and he only has about 15-16m SP. It's annoying to train, but it's worth it. well if you know your character and lay out the attributes right you can have a descent amount of SP per month. I have only trained one level 5 ( Mem ) the rest are level 4 and then all are level 3 adv and using +3 implants. I started with basically no SP to speak of. That was on 9/11/06 its now 1/4/07 and in less than 4 months I have over 4 million SP and gaining. when I was 1 month I only had 800k So I have been getting more than 1 million SP a month now. My current attributes are. Perc 24 Char 19 Int 18 Will 18 Mem 16 Are those the perfect character stats no but what I plan todo it works out nicely. ;) I figure by the time I hit two years I would have well over 25 million SP and thats just training them to 4/3 basically and using +3 imps. Now once I get +4 imps and train up the adv 3's to 4's more icing on the cake! Anyhow like was said getting those first skills to 4 doesnt take alot of time and then you get the others to 3 as you can afford the books. Also do not forget that implants are instant attribute points and do make a difference in the learning times. Oh I also have missed training 12-18 hours. My stats will be in 10 days: Int: 20.52 (Basic 5, Adv. 4, +2 implant) Char: 3.24 (No skills trained, no implant) Per: 18.36 (Basic 4, Adv. 4, +3 implant) Mem: 18.36 (Basic 5, Adv. 4, +2 implant) Will: 28.08 (Basic 5, Adv. 4, +2 implant) [Learning skill at 4] I will have 25 mil SP on 5/4/08. It does make a difference in overall learning time. Plan for the future, not the present imho.
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:05:00 - [19] i trained all my learning skills to level five, including the advanced ones, while i was away playing, uh, another game :p ---- Would you like some cries with your whaaamburger?
Militis Kolosok Caldari Praetorian Black Guard	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:55:00 - [20] Yeah, full attributes should be given (varies depending on which race/class you pick), and implants should still exist. -KolosoK-
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:31:00 - [21] Well my char has Trained all learning skills to lvl 5 and the adv learning skills to lvl5. I like this it gives me an advantage. And I on average now (with implants) Learn 1 mill sp every 2 weeks. If I went for the skills I ahve most attirbutes in (perception & willpower). Im closing the gap on people who have been in the game longer than me alrdy. If learning skills were ever taken out of the game, that would mean ive waisted 4.5mill sp's. And unless I got reimbursed to put those sps sumwhere else I would most defianltey leave. Leanring should stay, prepare to put the time into it or just take twice as long as me to train skills. Its definaltey worth training it all
Balder Fiskvik	Posted - 2007.01.08 19:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Ishtov The worst and most common advice I've heard (and therefore, the biggest mistake that new players make) is that people should IMMEDIATELY start their learning skills. If you're bored, you won't play. Ishtov speaks the truth.
Jonak	Posted - 2007.01.08 20:37:00 - [23] I've reached a comfortable postion now where I will continue on with my learning skills. I have: Analytical Mind III Empathy III (doesn't seem to help anything?) Instant Recall III Iron Will IV Learning IV Spatial Awareness III I still have some ways to got but I've only been playing a few weeks. I'll start on Instant Recall IV this afternoon.
VeniVici	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:07:00 - [24] Learning skills are great...up until it comes out 1 week before release that they're lowering the requirements. pop there goes one million in SP in sunk costs...18 days of training gone in an instant...ok not gone, but now I have to play a full year before I even start recovering my loss. This is more a highlight of why learning skills are just wrong. Simply, put tho, no the learning skills are worthless, they're not needed, and frankly, CCP could just put some effort into cutting them all out and bump everyone's attributes by 7 (Basic IV + Adv III which everyone will have at this point), then just refund everyone the SP they have in learning skills...ya never gonna happen b/c CCP isn't about putting in effort just to make things fair or neat. But here's a more simple idea bump everyone's attributes by 7, and for kicks you can still keep "Learning" as a skill for the die hards that want to juice it. Make it 5% per level bonus to overall learning rate, and make it a rank 15 skill. Then to make things fair, shunt everyone's SP that's sunk in attribute specific learning into this one skill. The exact rank and % can be calculated, but in the end the effect on the oldbies isn't there (3pts in attributes traded for 15% extra learning in this case), and new players can choose whether they're willing to make that kind of investment. Just a thought. Frankly I'm still ticked CCP bumped my break even point back 9 months. Oh and for those who say "You're a fool for learning right away"...I am only a fool b/c CCP changed the rules of the game, not because I did learning right away. I still could play the game, and still do despite having worse combat skills than a kali roll. Only reason I'm here is that thx to my crap skills I still made enough isk for someone else to pay for my subscription.
Mira deVorsha	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:48:00 - [25] Originally by: VeniVici Simply, put tho, no the learning skills are worthless, they're not needed, They are not worthless and they are needed. In your case you may as well say +3 implants are worthless and not needed. As it stands at the moment new players actually get a lot of boosts to learning skills starting off meaning they can hit the advanced ones faster. Just learn to level 4. It doesn't take that long at all anymore and if you check the skills beforehand you can figure out what order to learn them in so they boost each other. After that get the advanced ones and learn to level 4. To get them all to level 5 your probably looking at a couple of months, so in that case you can ignore it unless your playing the game for years. If you want to hold off on the learning skills then just get implants to boost your attributes. Those will also help you learn the learning skills faster. But it can make a huge difference while playing, sometimes by a couple of hours other times days. Also attributes are used by other things then skills.
Mira deVorsha	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Jonak Empathy III (doesn't seem to help anything?) Charisma helps if your a trader, smuggler, corp leader or jump clones.
Avowech Minmatar Murientor Tribe Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:35:00 - [27] To answer the original question, I do not believe that Learning skills are good for the game. They are pretty much a huge time sink in your playing time and dramatically increase the enormous gulf between new and old players. After playing the game for over a year now, the most boring training time was taken with the learning skills (still not maxed them either). Removing them would be a blessing and then credit players with training of their choice in something worth while
VeniVici	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Mira deVorsha Originally by: VeniVici Simply, put tho, no the learning skills are worthless, they're not needed, They are not worthless and they are needed. In your case you may as well say +3 implants are worthless and not needed. Note, I never said anything about implants. under the current system new players w/ the starting learning bonuses can get +7 in all attributes from base (pre-creation skills) in 10 days or less. No new player has any reason not to...they no longer need to train skills to have "fun" because gasp they have 800k in very useful skills that let them have fun in their roll. As such learning skills are only about getting the remaining +3....instead of keeping all these silly skills I'm suggesting CCP simply bumps everyone's attributes +7 above base. That levels the field. Then to not completely screw over existing customers (as they like to), aggregate all learning into one skill "Learning"...any SP you have in any learning skill goes to this skill. Make the skil Rank 15 and give a 5% bonus per level to learning. if you want to learn this time sink go for it. if you already trained learning you're not worse off, and we remove a time sink from eve. Learning skills add no content to the game, they add no flavor, and fail to provide character diversity...why keep them as they are?
Zhu Dark	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:16:00 - [29] Uhm, wouldn't that make the whole thing moot, VeniVici? Removing attribute skills to add a General Learning skill?
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:52:00 - [30] without the learning skill ccp couldnt introduce things like dns, carrier or even HACs, with no attribute buff it would take 90 days to skill cruiers V
Tammarr	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:05:00 - [31] shiver Yes they are kind of dumb, esp in the way so many new players were told, and I assume lost: Nah noob, you should train frigate 4 yet to get into a caracal soon lolol, you must train your memory & intelligence learning skills to 5 then train adv learning up to 4, then do the others you know? no? lol, perception basic 5 adv 4, will b 5 a 4... charisma is no good so dont bother about that. What you say? It will take you two months? Bah, dont worry about it. Just do it, pay the bill and comeback to enjoy it in 2mnths! That what I would do. Ehm... its so sucks, I still have people being told to train adv learning lvl 4 before they do anything, sure after rev its much much easier to achieve lvl 4 in advanced, but its still a timesink that some(I think its a conspiracy) wish to push a 1 day old char through, for what? getting bored with the game? The middle ground I got for this type of thing is this, like mentioned earlier: Train fun skills during the days and over nights to if you want to, but try to spice your skillplanning with getting basic learning skills up to lvl 4. Once you can make isk and have a decent ship, then go for lvl 5s when you look for which path you want to go. sorry, its a confusing post, getting tired here :-)
Annihlator	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:16:00 - [32] hmm. I dont know how exactly things are done with the new 800k standing, but id look what you want to train as soon as possible. Train that or those skills to level one, then train the fun skill, repeat. or do the fun at day learn at night thing, but Im sure you WILL lose valuable training time at some point that way. I look at what I want to train, and try to fit it in at a day the best I can. by doing most short skills through the day and doing a long skill for the evening and a medium skill for the morning/afternoon, followed by a bunch of shorter skills, repeat. might sound confusing, but the best advise of all is to mix fun with learning and try to prevent losing training time.
logosfold Amarr ORB enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:27:00 - [33] Yeah they are total sh1te. I wish I had never trained any learning skills let alone the advanced ones to 5 on 3 different accounts. What a waste of time it was and the fact I have 1/3 more points than alot of my mates who started playing at the same time proves it was a waste as well. Thanks CCP for such crappy skills and useless acessories like implants. I mean Implants ffs! Why do ppl bother with these as well? And to make matters worse they are so cheap these days to lure ppl into thinking that the small outlay is worth it. I'm sick of it all, I think I'll go and pod myself over and over without renewing my clone just to prove a point!
Acidictadpole	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:48:00 - [34] Originally by: MorbidPenguin Edited by: MorbidPenguin on 30/12/2006 13:55:22 Better yet, download and install Evemon and configure the skills you want to train - Evemon will then give you suggestions on which learning skills and which levels to train. If you want to get into combat, there really is no point in training Charisima. Personally, I've only been playing for about a month, but I have Int and Mem basic at level 5 and the advanced Int and Mem at level 4. Next, I've got it planned out to train basic Perception to level 5 and the advanced to level 3 because I want to train drones. When I need to train willpower or charisma, I can do those; in the meantime, I'm only training the attribute enhancers that will speed up what I want to train immediately. Only problem I've had with this is that EVEMon only tells you to learn a learning skill if the total skilltime will be reduced. Most people won't know right then and there what skills they will want to learn, and only once they've entered enough to make it worth learning the learning skill (again, total time reduced only) will EVEMon tell them. I like the poster above you's idea. Learn skills to the point where you can play and have fun. And then start learning the learning skills heavily. I did learn most of the learning skills (I think all the basic ones to three except charisma, that took less than a day and the payoff was so great, so that's what i suggest) near the beginning but again it was after i had found some fun things to do with current skills before i had begun to learn them.
Edania Caldari Ordo Adeptus Astartes	Posted - 2007.01.12 16:37:00 - [35] Originally by: VeniVici Originally by: Mira deVorsha Originally by: VeniVici Simply, put tho, no the learning skills are worthless, they're not needed, They are not worthless and they are needed. In your case you may as well say +3 implants are worthless and not needed. As such learning skills are only about getting the remaining +3....instead of keeping all these silly skills I'm suggesting CCP simply bumps everyone's attributes +7 above base. That levels the field. why does the field need to be level? you may as well simply add EXP levels to Eve and gain EXP by killing 3K frigs in emp all day or take away the social skills and make everyone interact with agents the same way. Eve is about choice and not all choices have a bright rosy end having to chose the lesser of two evils is as important as any other choice you make in this game. weather the Devs like it or not they will have to add a new way to gain SPs faster as they have had too several times now, releasing the learning skills, releasing the higher implants and raising the initial SP for new starters, wether it be boosters or a new tier of learning or the mythical +6s and 7s this cycle will continue, not so new people can catch up with vets but so new people can get to the place vets took 3 years to get too in 2. else the intake of 2006 will still look decidedly sickly in 2008. Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
Killana	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:28:00 - [36] I think learning skills are great. Right now I am getting my level 2 learning skills up and yes I can't play for the next month... but it will give me a chance to catch up to all of the people that have been playing for years. Once all my learning skills are done, I'll be learning things so quickly that the gap will shorten. So in my opinion overall learning skills were a great addition.
Jonak Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:24:00 - [37] Edited by: Jonak on 12/01/2007 19:21:31 I just started Eidetic Memory the other day and I have it to Level III. I won't take it no further at this point. I have to get the other earlier learning skill to level IV first. Having the skills do cut down on the training times, but when you really think about it, that you spent training could have been spent training your other skills in the first place!
Bitchslap	Posted - 2007.01.13 11:25:00 - [38] get a set of +6 implants yahh nubbits , hehe
Khuri	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:25:00 - [39] I find learning skills great, and i would hate to see them dissapear, even though i spend a lotta time traning all initial learning skills to level 5, (before requirement for adv learning skills dropped to level 4 initial skills), that is not the main reason. When green and still a rookie you can get the same effects as +1, +2 implants, only spending a small amount of time on them. Later you might want to get even better skill training, and the learning skills can do that too, like implants, only much cheaper, and it dosen't matter if you're podded, (unless you forgot to upgrade clone). Having all that said, the less attrubute points you already have, the bigger the difference in traning time will be for next gained attribute point. So what i have is level 5 initial, (you only wanna take them to level 4, but you dont have to do it as the very first thing), and when you have the skills to use something you like, then raise the advanced learning skills a bit, eventually to level 4 as well. And when yu get some inplants, then you'd be traning skill very fast.
Reighna Rohan	Posted - 2007.01.15 08:50:00 - [40] Well, to tell you about my character... huh? You dont give a hoot about my character? Didnt think you would... Got a agree with the OP; the learning skills ie. attribute boosting skills suck. They should not have been included and they should be removed. Every SP sunk into them should be refunded and either all other skill learning times should be shortened or characters should just be given the full stats. Yet, at least the learning skills are optional. As others have said, it does not take that long to get to +7s now. I just wish it would have happened sooner. It happened just as I finished memory 5! Aargh! I have more problem with about half the other skills tho. Imagine if somebody said you cant use the freaking stereo in your car because you dont have the skills. Give me a BREAK! I could see using stuff at a penalty for not having the training, like I can sort of use that crumby scanner, but cant even install it and turn it on? Its silly.
Sonic Slayer Minmatar Guardian Heroes Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:07:00 - [41] Having another MMO, the occasional deployment and regular monthly drills and trust worthy friends that you can leave your account details with helps out in training those long learning skills. I have near perfect learning skills, just missing the advanced charisma which is at 4 and everything else at 5, because of deployments to Okinawa, Japan and other places. otherwise just set those skills on before you log out and train other skills while you are on. It's alot easier to train now with the new chars because depending with the increased skillpoints in creation, they already can fly frigs rather well and are rather close to piloting cruisers and can actually do stuff rather than like when I first started and couldn't do jack without training a butt load of skills before I could even operate the microwave toaster on my ship.
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.15 10:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Fedaykinn And I on average now (with implants) Learn 1 mill sp every 2 weeks really! 1 mill sp's every 2 weeks? so like 71, 429 sp/day? or like 49.60 sp/minute? so your average attributes are 33.07? hmmmm something funny there. I had a mate just start the game and seeing what he went through, get your basic learning skills up to lvl 4, and your advanced learning skills up to lvl 3 (hint: dont bother with charisma at all). It really doesnt take that long at all. In the meantime you are trying to earn isk to buy and fit out a teir 3 frigate anyways. then train for whatever you want, and when you have spare time go back an train the rest. When i first started you needed basic lvl 5 before you could train advanced skills, now that was painful! Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Natalia Fachiri	Posted - 2007.01.15 11:46:00 - [43] I think evryone saying "learinnig the learning skills rigt at the start gives me a chance to catch up to those who have already played for years" have not really thought this thru. Nothing keeps the oldtimers from learning the learning skills either. Then the gap is permanent. It only helps you in the sense that after X days, you will have learned more then you would have withotu training the skills. Personally I) dont see the problem with the skills, exept that their benefits are not descirbed right and new players who dont spend time understanding the game are likely to miss them (I know I did for the first few days).

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