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Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Darpz on 31/12/2006 05:02:30 well I ask myself that. well I found the answer. today i was scouting down a LV gang in my RIgged Nano Dom. I found them. the first thing thru my mind was oh ****. but then I was like I go 4500 meters per sec I'll just run to the gate. that worked fine I got to the gate before the webs got me slowed down. I"m home free right? nope I get the dreaded waiting for session change. I preceed to spam the jump for 30seconds same result each time. now in my pod same thing. I die wake up in empire so because I didn't Ctrl Q like lamers I lost Faction Fit Domi LG Snakes and my first loss in 2 months. and I get to wait 4 weeks for a petition where ccp will tell me to bad so sad our game doens't have bugs
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:06:00 - [2] Darpz ya big nub you're too rich :P I get that session change thing sometimes when it is a super short warp or when i jump in then move back to a gate fast... bit ghey. :S Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Crucifier on 31/12/2006 05:14:44 lal nab, always couple of sec after u jump when u cant jump back Gotta wait cloaked for a bit ------
pylons38 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:15:00 - [4] Edited by: pylons38 on 31/12/2006 05:15:08 no ones really cares about how you died...
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 31/12/2006 05:14:44 lal nab, always couple of sec after u jump when u cant jump back Gotta wait cloaked for a bit I know that. which is why I waited 20 or seconds :P
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:18:00 - [6] Edited by: Crucifier on 31/12/2006 05:18:53 Originally by: pylons38 Edited by: pylons38 on 31/12/2006 05:15:08 no ones really cares about how you died... No1 really cares about you since you are infact, a nobody. Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 31/12/2006 05:14:44 lal nab, always couple of sec after u jump when u cant jump back Gotta wait cloaked for a bit I know that. which is why I waited 20 or seconds :P beats me =p ------
pylons38 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:20:00 - [7] "No1 really cares about you since you are infact, a nobody." and you are?...
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:22:00 - [8] Originally by: pylons38 "No1 really cares about you since you are infact, a nobody." and you are?... Incase you cant read im Crucifier ------
pylons38 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: pylons38 "No1 really cares about you since you are infact, a nobody." and you are?... Incase you cant read im Crucifier In that case, since you can't read yourself, I'm pylons38. Have a nice night or day depending on where you're from.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:26:00 - [10] So wait, did you actually petition CCP because you didn't pull a logoffski and got yourself killed or because you just got killed period? You were on a spy mission...and failed for gods sake. I dont see what the problem is here except for your whining. With great power comes great responsibility...and hawt cyborz!

mikerem	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:33:00 - [11] Edited by: mikerem on 31/12/2006 05:34:02 nm.. read it wrong
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Keorythe So wait, did you actually petition CCP because you didn't pull a logoffski and got yourself killed or because you just got killed period? You were on a spy mission...and failed for gods sake. I dont see what the problem is here except for your whining. no I don't have an issue with dieing when I get my self into such a postion. but I wasn't in a such a position that I should die I was... unagressed sitting in jump range can't jump
Haargoth Agamar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:56:00 - [13] Edited by: Haargoth Agamar on 31/12/2006 05:56:16 Originally by: pylons38 "No1 really cares about you since you are infact, a nobody." and you are?... He is a good PvPer in -A- that enjoys flaming people, more of a somebody then you. Yarr'n'stuff
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Haargoth Agamar Edited by: Haargoth Agamar on 31/12/2006 05:56:16 Originally by: pylons38 "No1 really cares about you since you are infact, a nobody." and you are?... He is a good PvPer in -A- that enjoys flaming people, more of a somebody then you. no don't tell crucifier he is good his ego will expand....
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:13:00 - [15] Originally by: pylons38 Edited by: pylons38 on 31/12/2006 05:15:08 no ones really cares about how you died... Most of this has already been covered by Crusifier, you are however dead wrong about noone caring about why he died... you see I do care. Dont get me wrong, I dont care one bit that a player named Darpz died (no offence Darpz) I do however care a great deal about how he died. Acording to the post he did all he could be expected to do to get out safe but a program design effect (not game mechanic) prevented him from jumping out of the system. 0.0 space and more importantly 0.0 alliance fighting is a too important part of the game to have this kind of problems. Now if the post had said "I died at a gate, <explicitly deleted> gate, <explicitly deleted> game, I want my ship back, yada-yada-yada !!!11oneoneelevenonehundredandtwelve" I would simply have ignored the thread (wich btw is what you should have done with that attitude). This is however not the case, infact he is highlighting an issue that may not be easilly fixable but it can certainly serve as a warning to others.
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:29:00 - [16] Yes, that sucks a lot, too bad there are no bugs in eve. Tanking Survivability Calculator
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Keorythe So wait, did you actually petition CCP because you didn't pull a logoffski and got yourself killed or because you just got killed period? You were on a spy mission...and failed for gods sake. I dont see what the problem is here except for your whining. Well hang on..the OP could have logged while cloaked, and lasted the 30 secs b4 vanishing. He CHOSE to do the decent thing and use his skills to get to gate, ie nano BS fitting and snakes. Of course a smaller ship as scout would be a good idea However, the "session change in progress" message is a pain in the ass. If it is a delay due to programming or whatever..then I would like to be invulnerable once I have clicked that jump button. Not just sit there and die like the OP. I have been pod killed in similar circumstances, although my loss was not as great...snakes are not cheap. If you get in jump range and click...u should be invul from attack...damm session change in progress is BS. We ALL know jumping is lagged, so pls CCP...once that button is clicked...pls cloak the ship. To the OP, respect for not logging, but I think CCP will give you the usual BS.. ie.."there was no problem at our end" Bad loss, you'll get over it. Shuttle and a jump clone next time mate
Supay Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:36:00 - [18] Darpz, sorry to hear of your loss as I had a similar one a while back when my Flycatcher had exactly the same thing happen at a gate, although I luckily warped my pod out. When I petitioned I found out that it was because I uncloaked and warped back to the gate within the 30 second timer. During that period you cannot jump back through and it brings up that session change message. If it had been a jump queue, it says that it is and I think that you can petition that, but the session change 30 second timer is part of the game mechanic and is not petitionable. Mine was rejected on that basis so I doubt very much that you will succeed.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:37:00 - [19] Darpz... I shouldn't say this but I had to lmao at the sig, that's the definition of irony right there Sorry
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Xelios Darpz... I shouldn't say this but I had to lmao at the sig, that's the definition of irony right there Sorry Lmao I didn't see that..u think he made that after the event? or it could be karma in action

Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Xelios Darpz... I shouldn't say this but I had to lmao at the sig, that's the definition of irony right there Sorry Lmao I didn't see that..u think he made that after the event? or it could be karma in action No I made that for him weeks ago I guess it won't be long now before I lose a ship to a jump queue
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Supay When I petitioned I found out that it was because I uncloaked and warped back to the gate within the 30 second timer. During that period you cannot jump back through and it brings up that session change message. If it had been a jump queue, it says that it is and I think that you can petition that, but the session change 30 second timer is part of the game mechanic and is not petitionable. That sounds believable, but I have warped over 100Au to a gate, clicked the button in an empty system and had the same message. It has taken me over 1 min to jump through a gate after arriving, so the 30 second theory starts to sound a bit shakey. I also doubt that a Domi can be taken down in less than 10 secs with an average camp ( he says he was cloaked for 20 secs ) The OP does not mention how many ships were on the kill mail so I cant be sure, but this 30 secs timer sounds a bit odd...imo
Evenfall Phoenix	Posted - 2006.12.31 09:29:00 - [23] I was recently killed and podded in a similar matter. Next to a station get attacked, go to dock and I keep getting a "state transition is already in progress" message. I sit there for close to a minute trying to dock. My ship goes down, now I am in my pod. Again trying to dock.... finally it says docking, and just as I was supposed to have docked... I get squished. I couldn't warp away at all (scrambled). And I was unagressed, within 1km, hadn't recently docked. Not going to petition, my ship was about 500k in all, so not a huge deal... now if I was in something bigger.... good luck with you petition.
Frug Tim Hortons Donuts	Posted - 2006.12.31 09:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Frug on 31/12/2006 09:59:01 <unrelated>In fact is two words damnit. </unrelated> That sounds frustrating. They need to give these issues top priority imo. Not much could be worse, aside from maybe a module just not activating. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
RedLion Caldari evenova	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:02:00 - [25] and what have we learned? To not take risk when TQ pop gets > 20k. (period)
ghosttr Amarr Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:06:00 - [26] Good luck on petition, I have had one in for 2+ months now (October sometime) and still haven't heard a word on it. I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:28:00 - [27] advice fly stuff u can afford to loose
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:28:00 - [28] advice fly stuff u can afford to loose

BH Runner ISD BH Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 31/12/2006 05:14:44 lal nab, always couple of sec after u jump when u cant jump back Gotta wait cloaked for a bit I know that. which is why I waited 20 or seconds :P Its 30 seconds between session changes, has been for quite some time. Waiting 20 seconds won't have saved you. When you die to your pod, thats a session change, thus the 30 seconds starts again. All that you've described is intended behaviour, I wouldn't expect any refund in your petition. [Bug Report Here] - [Contact Us]

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:09:00 - [30] Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Crucifier Gotta wait cloaked for a bit I know that. which is why I waited 20 or seconds :P Its 30 seconds between session changes, has been for quite some time. Waiting 20 seconds won't have saved you. When you die to your pod, thats a session change, thus the 30 seconds starts again. All that you've described is intended behaviour, I wouldn't expect any refund in your petition. 20 seconds IN CLOAK. Then a couple of seconds to get to the gate. Then "proceeding to spam the jump button for about 30 seconds"... sounds about right for the time needed to lock and vaporize his ship. Total time over 50 seconds, in his oppinion. Maybe it could have been only about 40 seconds, maybe close to 35 seconds even, but over 30 anyway. Besides, if you can't have a "session change" because you HAD one in the last 30 seconds, you get a warning saying EXACTLY that, and also the PRECISE time since your last session change. That was not the problem. The problem was he DID initiate a "session change" past those 30 seconds, the client THOUGHT it properly initiated the session change, the server NEVER got to receive the session change request in time, and the client claimed "session change already in progress" so it denied sending it again, thus resulting in him dying when HE SHOULD NOT have died. In my oppinion, he's fully entitled to a refund, but I'm not CCP, so my oppinion doesn't matter. _ My skills \| Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained

Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:14:00 - [31] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 31/12/2006 11:14:29 Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 31/12/2006 05:14:44 lal nab, always couple of sec after u jump when u cant jump back Gotta wait cloaked for a bit I know that. which is why I waited 20 or seconds :P Its 30 seconds between session changes, has been for quite some time. Waiting 20 seconds won't have saved you. When you die to your pod, thats a session change, thus the 30 seconds starts again. All that you've described is intended behaviour, I wouldn't expect any refund in your petition. He can just check his log, which lists session start and any 'session change already in progress' error messages he's got. I've had the exact same issue, where the first session change warning was 48 seconds after jumping in and the last one over a minute later. Before anyone asks, yes I did CTRL+Q my pod after that for the festive occasion (and pretty much the only time I have intentionally disconnected).
Kaden Seer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:54:00 - [32] sheesh, fix pls
Darpz Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:36:00 - [33] well I might of found something odd looking at my logs. the session started 2 seconds before I took my first damage. thats odd because I sat there reporting numbers and ship types on TS before decloaking.... whatever...I'm rich so I don't care about the loss so much as I don't like losing ships like this. I prefer to lose them in combat not to some stupid bug.
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2006.12.31 15:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Darpz well I might of found something odd looking at my logs. the session started 2 seconds before I took my first damage. thats odd because I sat there reporting numbers and ship types on TS before decloaking.... whatever...I'm rich so I don't care about the loss so much as I don't like losing ships like this. I prefer to lose them in combat not to some stupid bug. To be honest, everyone who plays knows about the bugs that happen, like this one. In situations like this, always check the log for session status before you "think" your session has fully changed. A quick check to the logs would have showed you the session didnt start properly upon your arrivial, and would have saved you all this trouble. coming here and complaining about something EVERYONE knows is broken is a bit whiney IMO. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.31 16:48:00 - [35] I petition approximately 2/3 of my ship losses for reimbursement, and have never failed to get my ship back for any of them. The sad fact is that there are a lot of issues with the game that will get you killed through no fault of your own. I have died to gate queues, node crashes, and lag so bad that I have spammed 'warp out' for over a minute while taking damage wondering why my tank refuses to activate. Some times it's a bug, other times (like earlier in this thread) you get told by GM's that it's intended game mechanics. In these cases it may not be a bug, but it is definately flawed game design. These design flaws (EG: Session changes, CTRL-Q mechanics, static load balancing) are far more annoying than any bug, because CCP likes to bury their head in the sand and tell us to work around them instead of tackling the problem. Some days I feel like I spend more time fighting against the game interface and mechanics than I do actually enjoying what is at its core a fun game.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.31 17:47:00 - [36] Originally by: BH Runner Its 30 seconds between session changes, has been for quite some time. Waiting 20 seconds won't have saved you. When you die to your pod, thats a session change, thus the 30 seconds starts again. All that you've described is intended behaviour, I wouldn't expect any refund in your petition. Wow, nice, so your pod isn't even supposed to get away, even if you lag so hard when your ship pops that it's better to take your chances with logging in hull than trying to warp.
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 17:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Fubear I petition approximately 2/3 of my ship losses for reimbursement, and have never failed to get my ship back for any of them. So... you petition even the ones you lose without any bugs involved, or am I reading that wrong? --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
M'en Dharrk Underground Liberation Resistance Corps	Posted - 2006.12.31 19:17:00 - [38] It doesn't help much now, but in the future, and for other people that might be in similar situations, I've found that Ctrl + Spacebar (the stop ship shortcut) followed by a repeat of the jump/dock command bypasses that bugged session change in progress message. I've actually gotten quite fond of Ctrl + Spacebar as it corrects a number of problems for me. :) Mostly user-error, though this instance is definitely a client/server miscommunication of some sort.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:31:00 - [39] Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 31/12/2006 05:14:44 lal nab, always couple of sec after u jump when u cant jump back Gotta wait cloaked for a bit I know that. which is why I waited 20 or seconds :P Its 30 seconds between session changes, has been for quite some time. Waiting 20 seconds won't have saved you. When you die to your pod, thats a session change, thus the 30 seconds starts again. All that you've described is intended behaviour, I wouldn't expect any refund in your petition. then I am special, becuase I have jumped several times in my pod just as my ship went kablooe waiting for aggression to wear off.
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2006.12.31 21:31:00 - [40] Its a bug or it should be and is bull**** simple as its costing good pvpers ships & giving noobs kills. Also its a pain in the ass when your chasing someone he jumps & doubles back & jumps no prob, you mean while are stuck there for no reason other than theres a scripter who cant script!. \|- Insert witty sig here -\| Save Radar Scanner Man!

Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.01 02:33:00 - [41] Edited by: Zubenelgenubi on 01/01/2007 02:37:05 Quote: lal nab, what the hell is a lal nab.. I know about session changes.. my joke about darpz being rich and hence the reason why you've gone all wierd and defensive was tongue in cheek ( :P )[I used to fly with him and his novus mates in stain] reelax ya might blow a gasket :P Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.01 07:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Keorythe So wait, did you actually petition CCP because you didn't pull a logoffski and got yourself killed or because you just got killed period? You were on a spy mission...and failed for gods sake. I dont see what the problem is here except for your whining. He petitioned because he was killed by the waiting list at the gate, not because the skill of the enemies.


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