For those of us that remember the hullabaloo about free trial miner bots over the damage it was doing to the game economy... take that flood of ore and multiply it by every PVE activity and an endless swarm of low SP tackle alts. That's basically why it shouldn't be done. Eve was not designed for it.

Botting damages the game regardless of what scheme you use, so it's not a valid reason F2P wouldn't work imo. Instead it's a reason to aggressively enforce rules against botting, and design more dynamic pve content that makes botting less viable. Also, wouldn't a F2P model substantially reduce the benefits of botting?

Let me know what you think.

Why do we need this?
We already have a perfectly viable system, that allows players to play without them paying RL cash.

So no, it's a poor idea that fixes nothing.

I have a F2P scheme I'd like your feedback on:

The first 10m sp(total for all chars on the account) is earned for free, at the standard rate of training. Afterwards, the account does not suspend, but training will not progress unless a subscription is added or skill points are purchased from another subscriber who is selling a GÇÿTransneural Skill PacketGÇÖ(TSP). Characters are not allowed to sell SP until they are over 15m sp total on their account, in order to ensure that all SP sold was actually paid for irl, either directly through a subscription or indirectly through a plex. Here are some of the possibilities of this scheme in practice:

A player could play without a subscription or ever buying a plex, but occasionally they might save up enough isk to purchase a TSP on the market to advance their skills, while always being able to log in and participate in content.

A new player could start an account, enjoy the game and almost immediately purchase several TSPs(which puts them over the 10m limit) and then begin a subscription to further their training.

An older player could keep their hauler/trader/cyno alt accounts unsubbed(but available) to ease the financial burden of running alliance logistics.

The same player could instead keep those accounts subscribed with PLEX and then sell the SP they gain via TSPs.


The SP limit obviously doesn't have to be 10m, that might be too generous, and also there could be limits to which skills can actually be trained while you are below that limit. Once over the limit tho it shouldn't matter what is trained because all of that training time or SP was paid for with rl money one way or another.

Let me know what you think.

It's intended to get the user counts up, in case you hadn't noticed, they are down quite a bit, to the point that ccp is now offering to pay ppl isk to undock and do things(tributes).

@Shallanna, if someone is botting they have plenty of isk to pay for plex, i don't think that's a very stiff limit.

Please allow in the same way the reuse of multiboxerprogramm, so i can use t1 catalyst to gank every big ship in highsec solo,
i-¦m looking forward to this .

But please explain me how ccp would get the needed money to pay the support team and the crew. I think they don-¦t accept ISK as a loan.

Argh for the love of **** can we get a F2P bullshit sticky too please and lock these for ever more?

I'm sick to ******* death of every Tom, **** and Harry posting this pish every day about how to make eve terrible.

Please tell me more about how awesome eve is doing right now, and how having more nerds to shoot at will make it terrible.

It's intended to get the user counts up, in case you hadn't noticed, they are down quite a bit, to the point that ccp is now offering to pay ppl isk to undock and do things(tributes)

Please tell me more about how awesome eve is doing right now, and how having more nerds to shoot at will make it terrible.

Please tell me more about how awesome eve is doing right now, and how having more nerds to shoot at will make it terrible.

Please tell me more about how awesome eve is doing right now, and how having more nerds to shoot at will make it terrible.

EVE is "not doing great" because people like you exist. People like you who do not want to create something to do to make the experience worthwhile in EVE and instead only consume things others create. However, if no one wants to create something, there is nothing to consume and thus playing becomes "boring". This is the entire problem with EVE right now. And you want to bring even more people of that caliber into EVE, amplifying the problem even further.
Instead of asking for F2P P2W, you should suggest things that make playing EVE more worthwhile, augment the experience, make undocking and roaming around in space enjoyable and creating something a pleasure and not just a target to be destroyed by bored players. And no, Arenas or any form of Matchmaking does not achieve that; you can put that idea right out of your mind.