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Lord Rah 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:11:00 - [1] I did the trial and bought the game and enjoyed it until I went out into 0.4 and under. This game is really an awful experience for a newer player. What was CCP thinking getting new players to see this mess of a game? In-game and out of game on these forums I have met only the most introverted, anti-social gamers in any community. A few people try to help you out, but they can't help you avoid complete losers. Never before have I seen a game that endorses griefing other people in the community, telling upstanding people to follow rules but people who have been here longer break them on a daily basis. All in all I will not purchase another CCP product because I feel they have designed this game with the intent to satsify the group of people I hate most in any online game. I'm just glad you're all stuck here with your never-ending character development instead of coming in and ruining one of the great new releases in 2007. Now I feel like I got my $20 worth, I'm sure the trolls are going to jump right on this post. Eat it up guys, I wont be back again to your glee!
Hikari Kisugi Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:13:00 - [2] I like your signature. Looks like a lot of work went into it. Eve has a very steep learning curve, the difference in 0.5 and 0.4 space can be massive if you are ill prepared. I believe the client still retains a message to warn you of such when you first try to make that jump. People are not introverted, often once someone kills you, they will happy chat to you (smack you) for being their prey. ----- 'The worst spot in hell is reserved for those who betray.'
Zhecao Vai	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:14:00 - [3] *I HATE THIS GAME IM QUITTIN ITS NO GOOD BYE*
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:16:00 - [4] Best of luck in whatever game you play next that holds your hand all the way through. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:22:00 - [5] Don't hate the game just because you can't live up to it. This guy got owned. It happens. What makes us stronger than him is the fact that we adapt and overcome rather than run away to a sanitised world where the bad people are kept away by contrived game mechanics.
Zhecao Vai	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:27:00 - [6] Second place in the Special Olympics this year goes to the guy who feels that since he "adapts and overcomes" in an MMORPG, he is "stronger than" the fellow who stops playing it because he doesn't like it.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Zhecao Vai Second place in the Special Olympics this year goes to the guy who feels that since he "adapts and overcomes" in an MMORPG, he is "stronger than" the fellow who stops playing it because he doesn't like it. Yep. That's right. Because in this environment, I really am better.
Drakonei	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Zhecao Vai Second place in the Special Olympics this year goes to the guy who feels that since he "adapts and overcomes" in an MMORPG, he is "stronger than" the fellow who stops playing it because he doesn't like it. One person encounters a challenge, and walks away from it. The other(s) put the effort in, and overcomes it. And has fun in the process. I think there are too many people around who will criticise others just because they dont agree with your definition of fun.
Anferney	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Zhecao Vai Second place in the Special Olympics this year goes to the guy who feels that since he "adapts and overcomes" in an MMORPG, he is "stronger than" the fellow who stops playing it because he doesn't like it. It sounds like the individual enjoyed it until they left high-sec and got hit up by some pirates. In other words, the OP was incapable of 'adapting' and thus 'died' in the only sense that works in an MMORPG. Now I am just afraid of CCP catering to these types since they are the majority of MMORPG players ('I don't want to lose my hard earned loot...I don't want there to be serious consequences for my poor strategy.').
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.31 20:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Goumindong on 31/12/2006 20:42:55 Originally by: Lord Rah Never before have I seen a game that endorses griefing other people in the community, telling upstanding people to follow rules but people who have been here longer break them on a daily basis Then break the rules. You can be a competent pirate within a single day with the Kali changes. Roll up a rifter pilot, stick some autocannons on there and get a looting. Or better yet, get some friends and toast the meanies that hit you. Find some lowsec system with a station and make it fortress carebear. When pirates show up, warp in 10 to 15 drakes or ravens or punishers, or whatever and show them who is boss. Follow the Goonswarm example. GS does not work because noobs suck and cant do anything. They work because anyone with a minimal amount of experience, when tossed in with 10+ other guys is a formidable force. You want to carebear it up? Stick to empire and try to avoid getting war dec'd by an empire pirate corp[and if you do get wardec'd purchase the services of a mercenary corp to run escorts for you]. Find a system with a station[out of the way systems are best] and make it fortress carebear. Join a 0.0 alliance and call in even bigger, meaner guns when you get threatened. Lay traps. [My personal favorite being the "mining dominix" for sheer stupidity on your opponents part, followed closly by the Battle Badger/Bestower, also known as "OH MY LORD, THIS HAULER HAS EW!" then followed by the Prophecy of ultimate cap destruction(6 med nos, 1 small nos, mwd/web/scram, mar/mar/ex/therm/kin/ean + EW drones)] And then carebear it up with the added profits from those foolish pirates who dared challenging your carebearing ways. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.31 21:00:00 - [11] Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Cipher7	Posted - 2006.12.31 21:03:00 - [12] That's disgraceful. Look at your nice sig, and your nice bada$$ name. I've fought 1PG before, they are some of the best Amarr loyalist players in the game. You don't deserve that corp, that name or that sig. Get out and don't come back.
Cupertino Castellum	Posted - 2006.12.31 21:40:00 - [13] Quote: This game is really an awful experience for a newer player. What was CCP thinking getting new players to see this mess of a game? Translation: OP went to PvP zone of MMOG and got PvPed by PvPers, and he's taken it really, really badly. Also, can I have your sig? And your stuff? Oh wait no, you lost your stuff to ebil pirates already
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.31 21:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 31/12/2006 21:43:38 Originally by: Goumindong Find some lowsec system with a station and make it fortress carebear. When pirates show up, warp in 10 to 15 drakes or ravens or punishers, or whatever and show them who is boss. To elaborate on that important point, that's exactly what some new friends have done in a couple of out of the way low secs. My corp cleared it out, they moved in after agreeing to pay a weekly fee. Most of them have only been playing a few months, but they can all use scanner, they have a 20-30 strong intel channel and when a neutral pops into Local, it's dead if it lands in a belt. They do sometimes lose ships, but they run their own ops and kill stuff as large as battlecruisers (the PVP setup nossing plated sort), and chase out stuff like AFs pretty regularly. Even though they are miners, I am grudgingly proud of them. Every day I log in, I see living proof that carebears can do low sec if they put their minds to it and actually undock in a gang. I wouldn't heisitate to recommend low sec to the new players of today, even those playing since autumn, so long as they find a like-minded group and look out for each other. But witness the magnitude of the OP's failure to succeed. To be discouraged at the first hurdle? At the very first instance of risk that any new player runs? Especially to those of us who have lost ships to CONCORD or sentries because of a momentary lapse, this is a sorry sight indeed. One thing is for sure, I don't envy where he is going - to some game where the local equivalent of high sec L4s and hauling loot to Jita is the only activity on offer.
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.01.01 01:24:00 - [15] Or maybe just tell your corp what happened :s Now recruiting!
Adoro Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.01 01:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Benglada Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont Im so happy im still the second person :) At OP, go your way. More games out there, enjoy them... -------- Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life The LV way
Majestik Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.01 02:33:00 - [17] Edited by: Majestik on 01/01/2007 02:35:26 Edited by: Majestik on 01/01/2007 02:34:50 Originally by: Lord Rah I wont be back again to your glee! Yes you will...... The pizza I just had delivered was $20.
Mayoz Miner	Posted - 2007.01.01 03:09:00 - [18] Not the game for you, maybe you need something like WoW where you can just kill AI if you want. I'm what you might call a 'carebear' but if there was no risk and I knew that I was completely safe where ever I wanted to go, it would take the fun out of being a 'carebear' tbh This game is one of the best there is if not the best, I could see that as soon as I started playing it and I have played a few MMO's for a number of years, but maybe it just not for you, it can be selective.
Agrikaan Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.01.01 04:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Tharrn Or maybe just tell your corp what happened :s Yeah, one could start with that, especially as we would have replaced any lost ship and equipment. Lord Rah was a very fresh recruit that I actually thought had a good spirit and showed lots of promise. I guess even us Amarr can be wrong. And that some Amarr don't have the endurance or stamina to cope with a small setback. Joining an openly pure RP PvP corp that operates in unsecure space kind of should set the expactions right at start. What's the Empire coming to, when pilots of such weak caliber can get a license... Now recruting!
Lord Rah 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.01.01 16:42:00 - [20] Whatever, Pong has a better multiplayer potential than this piece of crap. 1PG is a great corp, that had nothing to do with me leaving though. In a game where you cannot advance past the guy who started a day before you I can't see how staying around is going to help you get "better." I play Battlefield 2142 and find it a billion times more fun in the short term and long term, maybe that's just me though. I'm done whining, take care all.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.01.01 16:49:00 - [21] Another one bites the dust And another one gone, another one gone Another one bites the dust! Hey! I'm gonna getcha, too Another one bites the dust! ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standar Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.01 17:23:00 - [22] Yawn. Oh and, no i'm not a pirate, i rather hunt them gatecamping bastards. So everyone's an antisocial introverted ass? Alright, and why did you have to post again? Thought you were gone... sigh Some people... 1PG, i feel sorry for you guys, you deserve better. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Zurtur Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.01 17:33:00 - [23] Edited by: Zurtur on 01/01/2007 17:34:37 Originally by: Lord Rah Whatever, Pong has a better multiplayer potential than this piece of crap. 1PG is a great corp, that had nothing to do with me leaving though. In a game where you cannot advance past the guy who started a day before you I can't see how staying around is going to help you get "better." I play Battlefield 2142 and find it a billion times more fun in the short term and long term, maybe that's just me though. I'm done whining, take care all. Ehm, did you even play EvE at all? You can create an absolutelly new alt and own players that play for 1+ year, IF you do it right. I think you totally missunderstood EvE... And how can staying longer NOT help you? You get to know what your opponents use and how to counter them only by staying around and fighting them multiple times, you tweak your setup as you advance, as you can use better items, as you learn how it works best. If you are in good corp, ask people around you, I'm sure some will help you see what you are totally missing. Z - Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr When my armor repair's itself, then you can come moan about that.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.01 17:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Benglada Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont The best post in this thread. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.01 17:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Benglada Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont The best post in this thread. This week tbh. --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Miner Bare	Posted - 2007.01.01 17:50:00 - [26] I just want to know why you are in a corp and an alliance if only 'a few people' help you? Either you are fibbing just a bit or they really suck. Guess which one I go with? I will never understand people who do this. Don't like the game? Move on.
PKlavins Caldari 3rdlane Industries Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.01 17:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Benglada Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont The best post in this thread. This week tbh. Best Post of 2007! (so far ) but to the OP...that's what eve is like. the client warns you when entering 0.4 or below. there is no rule in the game that says u have to enter dangerous space. heck, be a trader/miner and stay in empire, you said urself that you enjoyed it... T3 Cakes for Mods in This Sig! first -eris
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.01 17:52:00 - [28] Extremely narrow minded if you truley belive there are only 2 types of people that play eve. Im neither of those two.. i suspect im not alone in that either The new player experience, i just wouldn't want to be there these days.... The game used to have a lot of friendly types... probaly still does... but due to the questionable methods used to kick people down.. the friendly types more often than not get ignored by new people anyway. The op does have a point though, it's hard to not agree if your view is that of an objective one. This game, reguardless of what you think of it... does attract the bottom feeders of online gamming, it's perfectly made for them. Thats his view... and often mine. ______
S0LO	Posted - 2007.01.01 18:45:00 - [29] Im i new player ive been playing about three weeks and went into low sec the other day,lost my ship and got podded.I have to say its was most exitement ive had in an onlne game for ages.And i know i could of beat the guy.It made me laugh so much though the guy blows up my ship and threatens to pod me...lol..i mean my ship was worth much more than a clone...lol.
Kopach	Posted - 2007.01.01 18:55:00 - [30] I`ve played few MMORPGs for years and I must say EvE looked most mature game to me , when I started that is..few months ago. Of course when I went to low and 0.0 I realized quick that it has the same amount of retards as every other MMO outthere hehe. I never liked PvP and in EvE is the worst I`ve seen it. This is becouse non-pvpers like me see PvP as just that.. Player vs Player as in.. 1 on 1. Of course we know that this allmost never hapens and its usualy 10 on 1 and that not gonna work for me becouse I want to play this game solo. I`ve been part of many guilds in different games before , I`ve been Raid leader , Guild leader etc. So playing with other people in groups or leading them became "been there done that" kind of thing for me so I decided to take a relaxed-solo-few hours a day gaming approach with this particular game and I`m sticking to it. Rating in 0.0 is not bad , but it gets old fast when you have to play the game like a paranoiac , and even that wont help you save your ships when you are solo. This means high sec missioning for me and I`m fine with that...for now. First second I get bored thats gonna be it though.
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:15:00 - [31] Originally by: S0LO Im i new player ive been playing about three weeks and went into low sec the other day,lost my ship and got podded.I have to say its was most exitement ive had in an onlne game for ages.And i know i could of beat the guy.It made me laugh so much though the guy blows up my ship and threatens to pod me...lol..i mean my ship was worth much more than a clone...lol. The force is strong in this one. j00 shall go far. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Leianna Entropy Tech. Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Lord Rah In a game where you cannot advance past the guy who started a day before you I can't see how staying around is going to help you get "better." 100% Incorrect. I have corpmates who started weeks, even months after I did, and have met my SP level or exceeded it. The longer I am here, the more I understand game mechanics. The longer I am here, the more total SP I gain. If those dont make you a better player, would you mind educating me, as well as the entire MMO community, on exactly why not? imo, you have no idea what you are talking about, judging an MMO you obviously have no knowledge of other then a very short time, with no SP, no history, no decent understanding of anything the EVE world has to offer. To me, you are nothing but an ignorant fool trying to stir up flames on the forums, and this thread should be locked. Run along and play some single player FPS's, they seem more your speed. ======================== Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Constantine Arcanum Originally by: S0LO Im i new player ive been playing about three weeks and went into low sec the other day,lost my ship and got podded.I have to say its was most exitement ive had in an onlne game for ages.And i know i could of beat the guy.It made me laugh so much though the guy blows up my ship and threatens to pod me...lol..i mean my ship was worth much more than a clone...lol. The force is strong in this one. j00 shall go far. I think it's fair to say as a new player, he's not exactly aware of how it works. "I know i could beat this guy" Umm maybe.... but as the more enlighten know... chances of killing a low sec 'so called' pirate are slim to non existant... unless he's a complete fool. In his naive/new to eve enjoyment of being ganked..... he fails to realise it doesn't get any better. The agressor, win/win flavour of the month setup... only attacked him because he was likely an easy target (alt scouted... scanned.. spoted... age..) whatever.... basicaly a free notch on the killboard. Ofc when he goes back in a few months time in a pvp setup ship to 'get that guy' he might become more enlightend to the truth. That being ofc, that same guy is getting his other source of entertainment..... watching him waste his time. ______
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:22:00 - [34] "Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont" Hahahahahah in your fantasy world maybe, you know the one where people like you think they are ultra uber gamers. There are 2 type of people in eve, the weeenies who think ganking and spawn camping is some form of credible pvp, and then the majority who stay in empire pve'ing waiting for the day CCP gets a clue and rebuilds the pvp of eve so that pvp is credible and competitive. I mean geee LETS LOOK AT THE CROWNING ACHEIVEMENT OF THE BIGGEST BADDEST CORP IN EVE!!! BOB, killed a AFK logged out titan. lmao ship was afk logged out noone repairing it noone attacking, and this was the coup de gra of EVE best corp/allaince. PAthetic a farking npc titan would have been a bigger challenge. But that is eve, you got this segment of can;t pvp for crap players who have been outcasted here from good pvp games they couldnt handle, who can pretend they are uber while they spawn camp, kill afk logged ships, and mission runners and miners, while finally being able to call someone else a carbear for once hahahahah. Can only hope one day CCP gets a clue, and we can all laugh while you can pvp for crap spawn campers, etc whine for weeks on end because you actually have to pvp for once and end up dying, as you all end up quitting and go to look for the next poorly implemented pvp game for you to pretend you rock at.
Lavente	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:24:00 - [35] Must admit im sadly totally in agreement with the OP. If you stray out into low sec, its insta death. How can this be right? People say work in gangs etc and dont go to low sec alone. But lets be honest a small to mediums sized gang full of noobs and even players with around 3 to 4 mill sp are just going to represent a ripe target for ganking Its sad to see a game with such potential not providing any sort of learning curve to exist in low sec.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont" Hahahahahah in your fantasy world maybe, you know the one where people like you think they are ultra uber gamers. There are 2 type of people in eve, the weeenies who think ganking and spawn camping is some form of credible pvp, and then the majority who stay in empire pve'ing waiting for the day CCP gets a clue and rebuilds the pvp of eve so that pvp is credible and competitive. I mean geee LETS LOOK AT THE CROWNING ACHEIVEMENT OF THE BIGGEST BADDEST CORP IN EVE!!! BOB, killed a AFK logged out titan. lmao ship was afk logged out noone repairing it noone attacking, and this was the coup de gra of EVE best corp/allaince. PAthetic a farking npc titan would have been a bigger challenge. But that is eve, you got this segment of can;t pvp for crap players who have been outcasted here from good pvp games they couldnt handle, who can pretend they are uber while they spawn camp, kill afk logged ships, and mission runners and miners, while finally being able to call someone else a carbear for once hahahahah. Can only hope one day CCP gets a clue, and we can all laugh while you can pvp for crap spawn campers, etc whine for weeks on end because you actually have to pvp for once and end up dying, as you all end up quitting and go to look for the next poorly implemented pvp game for you to pretend you rock at. 90% of PvP in EVE happens before the ships face each other in combat. Once the fight has begun, the winner is usually already obvious. Being a good PvPer is about being good at the other 90%. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Leianna Entropy Tech. Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That owned, i want to be able to do that one day" Guess which stay and which dont" Hahahahahah in your fantasy world maybe, you know the one where people like you think they are ultra uber gamers. There are 2 type of people in eve, the weeenies who think ganking and spawn camping is some form of credible pvp, and then the majority who stay in empire pve'ing waiting for the day CCP gets a clue and rebuilds the pvp of eve so that pvp is credible and competitive. I mean geee LETS LOOK AT THE CROWNING ACHEIVEMENT OF THE BIGGEST BADDEST CORP IN EVE!!! BOB, killed a AFK logged out titan. lmao ship was afk logged out noone repairing it noone attacking, and this was the coup de gra of EVE best corp/allaince. PAthetic a farking npc titan would have been a bigger challenge. But that is eve, you got this segment of can;t pvp for crap players who have been outcasted here from good pvp games they couldnt handle, who can pretend they are uber while they spawn camp, kill afk logged ships, and mission runners and miners, while finally being able to call someone else a carbear for once hahahahah. Can only hope one day CCP gets a clue, and we can all laugh while you can pvp for crap spawn campers, etc whine for weeks on end because you actually have to pvp for once and end up dying, as you all end up quitting and go to look for the next poorly implemented pvp game for you to pretend you rock at. Care to offer another MMO that has the same penalty for losing to another player (death penalty), 30,000+ players on a single server, and the freedom to forge your own game (as little restricting game mechanics as possible, while maintaining a balance) I get a kick out of you players that feel the dev's have "messed" up the game by "not" implementing "proper" PVP. I for one, would rather play EVE, where your not limited, or held down by hold-your-hand game mechanics that dictate where or when you can be engaged. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean it is wrong. ======================== Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups.
Jas Dor	Posted - 2007.01.01 22:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Anferney Originally by: Zhecao Vai Second place in the Special Olympics this year goes to the guy who feels that since he "adapts and overcomes" in an MMORPG, he is "stronger than" the fellow who stops playing it because he doesn't like it. It sounds like the individual enjoyed it until they left high-sec and got hit up by some pirates. In other words, the OP was incapable of 'adapting' and thus 'died' in the only sense that works in an MMORPG. Now I am just afraid of CCP catering to these types since they are the majority of MMORPG players ('I don't want to lose my hard earned loot...I don't want there to be serious consequences for my poor strategy.'). The OP is right. As far as MMO's go EvE is a HORRIBLE game. The new player retention rate in EvE is ABYSMAL. The player base is MICROSCOPIC. 150K active accounts for an MMO IS A JOKE, even more so that MANY OF THOSE ACCOUNT ARE ALTS. CCP has lost MILLIONS of dollars with an average player retention of ONLY FOUR MONTHS. If EvE had normal retention numbers there would be at least a quarter of a million or more active accounts. CCP WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET VENTURE CAPITAL FOR WOD UNLESS THEY CAN IMPROVE THE RETENTION NUMBERS FOR EVE. Simple truth there. CCP has a problem the NEED to address it.
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.01 22:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Jas Dor The OP is right. As far as MMO's go EvE is a HORRIBLE game. The new player retention rate in EvE is ABYSMAL. The player base is MICROSCOPIC. 150K active accounts for an MMO IS A JOKE, even more so that MANY OF THOSE ACCOUNT ARE ALTS. CCP has lost MILLIONS of dollars with an average player retention of ONLY FOUR MONTHS. If EvE had normal retention numbers there would be at least a quarter of a million or more active accounts. CCP WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET VENTURE CAPITAL FOR WOD UNLESS THEY CAN IMPROVE THE RETENTION NUMBERS FOR EVE. Simple truth there. CCP has a problem the NEED to address it. Yes surely that's the problem, and the sole reason why EVE is 3 years old and still going. ... ------
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2007.01.01 22:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Jas Dor The OP is right. As far as MMO's go EvE is a HORRIBLE game. The new player retention rate in EvE is ABYSMAL. The player base is MICROSCOPIC. 150K active accounts for an MMO IS A JOKE, even more so that MANY OF THOSE ACCOUNT ARE ALTS. CCP has lost MILLIONS of dollars with an average player retention of ONLY FOUR MONTHS. If EvE had normal retention numbers there would be at least a quarter of a million or more active accounts. CCP WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET VENTURE CAPITAL FOR WOD UNLESS THEY CAN IMPROVE THE RETENTION NUMBERS FOR EVE. Simple truth there. CCP has a problem the NEED to address it. If you think EVE is abysmal, why are you here? Let's take the numbers that you've mentioned: 150K active accounts at 15 USD each = 2.25 million dollars a month or 27 million USD gross per annum. I suspect that they'll be able to get venture capital for the new World of Darkness MMO with that sort of turnover. An average player retention of 4 months? Would you mind quoting the source of this information as the last I heard, it was 7 months. EVE is a niche game. CCP have stated this and although they've made some compromises for a wider audience, it still is pretty much a game that targets a specific audience. CCP are happy with this and as long as they're still making a profit (or at least making enough to keep their creditors happy), that's the way they're going to continue. Oh, and randomly emphasising odd points in an argument really doesn't work; it makes you sounds like a telemarketer or a politican.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.01 23:05:00 - [41] Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 01/01/2007 23:06:26 Originally by: Marine HK4861 If you think EVE is abysmal, why are you here? That's the question everyone should answer. Actually I'm sympathetic to what Jas Dor said since he has a point (actually a several) but I think I know why he's still here...hope. It's not regular hope either. For example game balancing is done through some really odd logic ("lets make battles longer by doubling hitpoints instead of lowering damages") and a lot of stuff is left untested (uhh hello, all the industrial stuff in Revelations, complexes and as a gem, the farmable Akemon's Modified +8% Armor Hardwiring) so what the hope is that you hit the gold mine by finding a quirk/feature not working as intended first and then exploit it to your own needs until its fixed. This goes all the way to ships like Gankageddon which ruled the universe for a very long time until CCP promptly got bored of it themselves - they are players of the game after all - and decided that they want to have something different than have screen full of bright lines every time someone says "combat". What's keeping me here is that I hope that CCP will mess up their own game in such a way that it will give me an unfair advantage in comparison to other players in some way. You've all seen it happen before and it will happen again, no matter wether you're thinking of Gankageddon or T2 BPO lottery.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.01.01 23:05:00 - [42] "Care to offer another MMO that has the same penalty for losing to another player (death penalty), 30,000+ players on a single server, and the freedom to forge your own game (as little restricting game mechanics as possible, while maintaining a balance) I get a kick out of you players that feel the dev's have "messed" up the game by "not" implementing "proper" PVP. I for one, would rather play EVE, where your not limited, or held down by hold-your-hand game mechanics that dictate where or when you can be engaged. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean it is wrong." Fair enough delve a little deeper though into your myopic points. You're right eve death penalty is steep IF you are the victim, however the penalty is not spread out evenly, the agressor will often stack the deck to remove much of the penalty, or they have ammassed such a fortune that the penalty is not all that significant. 30k on a single server however nice it sounds it really has limited impact on any player. You will be lucky to interact with anymore people in eve 30k world that a regular server of another mmo with 2k. The freedom to forge your own game is another sounds nice and I do love the openness of character developement, but the fact is all it does is essentially remove the neeed for alts ( even then people still use them ) So i can train combat and mining and trading on the same character, any other game you can have it all as well you just have it on 3 characters, still a nice bonus imho In the end you eve is as limited as the next game and hold hands as much as the next game regardless how you want to portray it. Look gate campers have their hands held, 0.0 people do as well, by camping gates and having a POS for uber safety. Eve does dictate where you can and cant be engaged, and does it ALOT, try hunting down a priate for example see how well you are able to force him to engage you then come back and talk tough. I too prefer EVE, but it doesnt change the fact some aspects of eve are very poorly designed or implemented, and there is nothing wrong with discussing the problems of eve hoping they might one day be changed. PS the fact of me liking it or not isnt what makes it wrong, it is because the nature of the issue is contrary to the entire premise of eve, for exampel gate camping allows the campers to play in 0.0 with very low risk.... when it is supposed to be the highest risk area for all players, same goes for pirates, they should be able to be hunted as easily as they hunt mission runners or miners.... IE: it is far to easy to stack the deck in eve so that you ONLY can impose PVP on others while evading the same being forced upon you. For example there are very effective ways for people camping a gate to force pvp on some solo guy coming through, but there is nothing very effective for a group coming through to force pvp onto those same gate campers. So I question why these campers are not forced to play the game with pvp they are ill equiped to survive being rammed down there throat. Seems reasonable no?
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.01 23:22:00 - [43] As I recall it was my second real day of flying in Eve. I jumped on courier missions to make some ISK while I trained other skills. Having played a smuggler in other online games it felt like a familiar way to find my feet in this new 'verse. I got a run from Rens to Amamake. As I got to the gate I saw a can there warning of a camp ahead. I had already read alot on the forums while waiting for a new graphics card to arrive so I knew to check the map. The map confirmed what the can was telling me. What the hell I thought, I have got to see me one of these camps. I jumped through and it was just my little Hoarder facing a Scorpion. Then it happened. My heart started beating faster, I could feel the slight tremor of adrenaline kicking in. My first thought was that my mispent youth had just caught up with me. This is a game for crying out loud, I'm not supposed to react physically like this! I had seen another ship approaching the gate behind me as I jumped and I decided that this was a cruel and unforgiving place and I should save my own skin. I stayed cloaked until he jumped and decloaked. Sure enough the scorp engaged him and I bolted. It turned out the other ship was running on autopilot anyway so I couldn't have helped him. After dropping off my cargo I knew I couldn't get back past that scorp (I knew about instas but didn't have any). I pulled up the map and manually plotted a course the got me back to base without going through the camp for just two more jumps. That was the day I got hooked on Eve. It was also the day I worked out how to use the map and how auto-pilot / auto-nav is not always your friend. I went on to fly a Mammoth running trade routes, courier missions and player haulage contracts. I flashed my ass at some of the most famous pirates in Eve. My Mammoth even took two vollies in the face from Ginger Magician once (lasers). I had no tank on her at all but still got awayon 90% hull. To this day I have never lost a cargo and running around in my Mammoth or Prowler in 0.0 is still the most relaxing way to spend an evening. Horses for courses I guess. If you put something valuable to yourself (like a Hoarder to a 2 day old nub) on the line the risk of losing it can be a rush. Winning becomes a rush, losing hurts. All of this is good, it makes the game more meaningful. I also play Guild Wars, you can never lose that game. Even if you all die on a quest you pop back up with a maximu of -60% strength and go again. Three of us took on one of the hardest quests in the game without henchmen. The final battle was insance and we must have died a hundred times. As long as we picked off a few enemies before going down it was just a matter of time. To say the rush and sense of achievment from that game was non-existant would be an understatment. Another suprising game that I found gets the heart going is Uplink. It's a hacking game (the kind of hacking you see in hollywood rather than the real thing) and has an interesting storyline hidden in it. You cannot save your game. It saves your state when you log out only (or if you get caught). After a couple of weeks building up the best gear and getting all your password lists sorted knowing that one misstep on that bank hack can see all two weeks of playing lost is a rush. Some people like games they can lose, some don't. Have fun with whatever you decide to play. >> RECRUITING <<
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.01 23:35:00 - [44] Telemicus Thrace - great story. My own noob story involves flying through A2-V27 in a shuttle to mine in BA space and losing two haulers and a pod to NPCs, a player-rat cruiser and a CA inty squad, all in the same night. Then tagging along on a trip to TPAR-G with friends. I ended up autopiloting back through A2-V27 in a pod while a friend desperately flew a burning Apoc to escape some Black Lance or Black Nova Corp guys (can't remember which). It was a real epic adventure to me at the time, though we were all just noobs. It's a beautiful game. Just not for people spoiled by corridor shooters in which everyone gets to the end eventually, a hero, without outside interference.
Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.02 02:04:00 - [45] Well at least some people are actually delving into why the PvP in EVE is stinking in the first place. Ganks, big gangs, easy targets: All the aspects that seem to be the staple of EVE and it's combat. Doesn't make it right though. Just because someone was silly enough to pave a road that leads to a bottomless pit, doesn't mean you have to drive the whole way. That's where I think these EVE players are getting to: They see the road laid out before them: gank or be ganked. And so where does this leave new players? Stuck in Empire. Where does this leave players who don't think is the way the game should continue? Stuck in Empire. Where does this leave the ones who continue to be the problems? Not in Empire wondering why everyone else is in Empire and doesn't want to enjoy thier 'fun'. Blame the players, not the game. I think the concept of 'winning' just gets into gamers heads as: Do anything I can to f up the other person and smile on the way to the bank.
red striike Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.02 02:42:00 - [46] you got f*ed in the a HAHA
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.02 03:46:00 - [47] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 02/01/2007 03:46:09 Originally by: Dau Imperius And so where does this leave new players? Stuck in Empire. Where does this leave players who don't think is the way the game should continue? Stuck in Empire. Where does this leave the ones who continue to be the problems? Not in Empire wondering why everyone else is in Empire and doesn't want to enjoy thier 'fun'. Blame the players, not the game. I think the concept of 'winning' just gets into gamers heads as: Do anything I can to f up the other person and smile on the way to the bank. Dude, it's a PVP game. Check out market categories. How much stuff on there is about blowing stuff up? How much stuff on there is about role-play or peaceful social endeavour? That the in-game market is an arms bazaar is a bit of a clue as to what sort of game this is. Of course it's about that success of entities at the expense of others through violence or coercion. Some social structures prosper, other die almost at the moment of creation. While there is room for purely diplomatic or economic maneuvering, unless you are pure PVE or role-play, it all ultimately serves the purpose of PVP. Those players stuck in Empire genuinely puzzled by why PVP keeps happening around them, really have not researched the game properly. They can specialise in industry or mission-running all they want, but they are deluded if they think it is possible to build a wall around themselves and interact with the rest of the community one-way as a salesman and nothing more.
Zhecao Vai	Posted - 2007.01.02 04:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Dude, it's a PVP game. Check out market categories. How much stuff on there is about blowing stuff up? How much stuff on there is about role-play or peaceful social endeavour? That the in-game market is an arms bazaar is a bit of a clue as to what sort of game this is. Of course it's about that success of entities at the expense of others through violence or coercion. Some social structures prosper, other die almost at the moment of creation. While there is room for purely diplomatic or economic maneuvering, unless you are pure PVE or role-play, it all ultimately serves the purpose of PVP. Those players stuck in Empire genuinely puzzled by why PVP keeps happening around them, really have not researched the game properly. They can specialise in industry or mission-running all they want, but they are deluded if they think it is possible to build a wall around themselves and interact with the rest of the community one-way as a salesman and nothing more. They can interact with the rest of the community that way if they like - it's their $15/mo to spend. It isn't very fun for most people, though, because that isn't really the focus of the game. The game is built for PvPers; that's the majority of players and that's the direction of the development. If you don't like that, there's plenty of other games on the market which are just as good or better.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.02 04:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Hahahahahah in your fantasy world maybe, you know the one where people like you think they are ultra uber gamers. There are 2 type of people in eve, the weeenies who think ganking and spawn camping is some form of credible pvp, and then the majority who stay in empire pve'ing waiting for the day CCP gets a clue and rebuilds the pvp of eve so that pvp is credible and competitive. I mean geee LETS LOOK AT THE CROWNING ACHEIVEMENT OF THE BIGGEST BADDEST CORP IN EVE!!! BOB, killed a AFK logged out titan. lmao ship was afk logged out noone repairing it noone attacking, and this was the coup de gra of EVE best corp/allaince. PAthetic a farking npc titan would have been a bigger challenge. But that is eve, you got this segment of can;t pvp for crap players who have been outcasted here from good pvp games they couldnt handle, who can pretend they are uber while they spawn camp, kill afk logged ships, and mission runners and miners, while finally being able to call someone else a carbear for once hahahahah. Can only hope one day CCP gets a clue, and we can all laugh while you can pvp for crap spawn campers, etc whine for weeks on end because you actually have to pvp for once and end up dying, as you all end up quitting and go to look for the next poorly implemented pvp game for you to pretend you rock at. Excuse me Mr Hysterical...Benglada does happen to be a very good player ( No isk was tranfered for that remark) And you are the myopic one for thinking that BOBS crowning glory was popping an afk Titan. They have created an infrastructure and a fleet of capital ships that leaves many corps (and alliances) trembling, not to mention their industrial side. So why dont YOU get a clue. If you find your self in a fair fight...then you did something wrong. If we out number your gang 5v3 do you REALY think that I am going to ask 2 of my guys to hold fire, so that it is "fair" for you. I hope you stay in empire running your missions And can I call you a "carebear"... Lets face it, some people get their asses kicked in a fight then refit a better setup...others just whine on the forums asking for the game to be changed. Let me guess which you are oh and btw BOB is an alliance...not a corp. You sir are not very smart
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2007.01.02 04:49:00 - [50] EvE is hard Thats why EvE gives me a hardon when I win The problems about PvP in this thread however are valid. The ballance for me between game play and "realisim" (or how space combat would actually be) the main turn on for me personnally. It's also the reason why games like FF or WoW really don't interest me one bit. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Orion Eridanus Death's Shadow 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:05:00 - [51] Once again someone is complaining about low sec. All your doing is adding to the fear of low sec. In my opinion low sec is nowhere near as bad as its made out to be. I have been operating in low sec almost since I first started playing EVE, and continuously living there shortly after that. There have been several topics before covering how to survive in low sec and the info in those topics actually works. All it takes is a little time, and some common sense to survive and live in low sec. I originally came out to low sec as a miner but changed to a combat pilot because it what was needed for the corporation at the time to survive. I have lost ships and I have killed ships, but its not an often occurrence as some people on these forums would make it out to be. Do us all a favor and instead of complaining of getting blown up because of your mistakes take some time and read some other forum topics and follow the advice given in them. Most of the techniques mentioned in those topics actually work beleive it or not. Stop scaring off others with your "OMG I JUST GOT PWNED CAUSE I DIDNT USE THE TOOLS GIVEN TO ME. LOW SEC IS FILLED WITH GRIEFERS AND PIRATES." posts.
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:13:00 - [52] You lot are slipping, cant believe you forgot... STUFF!!! NOW!!! Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:13:00 - [53] Originally by: Lord Rah I did the trial and bought the game and enjoyed it until I went out into 0.4 and under. This game is really an awful experience for a newer player. What was CCP thinking getting new players to see this mess of a game? In-game and out of game on these forums I have met only the most introverted, anti-social gamers in any community. A few people try to help you out, but they can't help you avoid complete losers. Never before have I seen a game that endorses griefing other people in the community, telling upstanding people to follow rules but people who have been here longer break them on a daily basis. All in all I will not purchase another CCP product because I feel they have designed this game with the intent to satsify the group of people I hate most in any online game. I'm just glad you're all stuck here with your never-ending character development instead of coming in and ruining one of the great new releases in 2007. Now I feel like I got my $20 worth, I'm sure the trolls are going to jump right on this post. Eat it up guys, I wont be back again to your glee! Rule #1: Don't use what you can't afford to lose. Rule #2: Be prepared. Harsh lessons to learn in your first ventures, but EVE is not a game where your assets are always kept safe in whatever situation - You will lose items if you die. That said, EVE has it's share of black sheep. They tend to come forward a lot more due to their nature, but 99% of EVE's playerbase is as friendly as your next door neighbour, or even friendlier. Generalization is bad, mmkay? :) ((Yes, it's the same in WoW and every other game... Only, in WoW those asocial bastards tend to come forward more since 1% of 7,000,000 is still 70,000...)) EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:21:00 - [54] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 02/01/2007 12:24:27 I feel so good running through low sec with millions of isk worth of goods. I once took my freighter through low sec too just for the kick of it. Even met a -10.0 sec guy ratting in a belt who told me I was insane. I also do research on my tech 2 BPO in low sec. The pirates do not win all the time. And it gives me untold pleasure to transport valuables infront of their noses while I dodge their obvious gate and station camps with very little effort from both parts. EDIT: The best thing ofcourse is to sell ammo in low sec near common pirate infestations. You can really overcharge those guys. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Lord Rah I did the trial and bought the game and enjoyed it until I went out into 0.4 and under. This game is really an awful experience for a newer player. What was CCP thinking getting new players to see this mess of a game? In-game and out of game on these forums I have met only the most introverted, anti-social gamers in any community. A few people try to help you out, but they can't help you avoid complete losers. Never before have I seen a game that endorses griefing other people in the community, telling upstanding people to follow rules but people who have been here longer break them on a daily basis. All in all I will not purchase another CCP product because I feel they have designed this game with the intent to satsify the group of people I hate most in any online game. I'm just glad you're all stuck here with your never-ending character development instead of coming in and ruining one of the great new releases in 2007. Now I feel like I got my $20 worth, I'm sure the trolls are going to jump right on this post. Eat it up guys, I wont be back again to your glee! Rule #1: Don't use what you can't afford to lose. Rule #2: Be prepared. Harsh lessons to learn in your first ventures, but EVE is not a game where your assets are always kept safe in whatever situation - You will lose items if you die. That said, EVE has it's share of black sheep. They tend to come forward a lot more due to their nature, but 99% of EVE's playerbase is as friendly as your next door neighbour, or even friendlier. Generalization is bad, mmkay? :) ((Yes, it's the same in WoW and every other game... Only, in WoW those asocial bastards tend to come forward more since 1% of 7,000,000 is still 70,000...)) RULE 3 ~ RTFM! Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:45:00 - [56] Edited by: Benco97 on 02/01/2007 12:49:53 EVE is harsh, this is what makes EVE wonderful. Low sec is NOT an insta-gank for anyone who goes there, i've been killed more times in high-sec (not in war situations too) than in dangerous space (Exagerationg but you get my point), you guys are just perpetuating the rumors. If you want a game that holds your hand, doesn't let you do things that would be harmful to you and tells you clearly and easily (in nice large letters) what you should be doing then EVE isn't for you, please leave it for the players who love it. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:51:00 - [57] Yawn, This game is about playing together with other people, if you go out solo and get ganked by 20 people either you deal with it and get in a group yourself or u die. If you wanna solo pvp then u have to pick your targets and if u get blobbed then u either run or die. its that simple
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:01:00 - [58] "Yawn, This game is about playing together with other people, if you go out solo and get ganked by 20 people either you deal with it and get in a group yourself or u die. If you wanna solo pvp then u have to pick your targets and if u get blobbed then u either run or die. its that simple" Oh come on you arent that simple are you? Okay lets play your game, it is about playing together so i go out with my friends we 5 bump into a blab of 30.... same crap different pile. you got no chance, there is no real semblance of pvp being done. You end up with blob warfare until you get bob. Because every chicken **** like you joins the winning team so that it is easy and they can be assured victory not because they are better but because they have more. Not like that matters because eve isnt a group only game. Nothing is hard about it either, infact eve caters to the opposite side being EZ mode pvp. Just get a bunch of wanna be pvper's doing group hugs singing coom by ya mobbing solo players....yehaaaa some skill there, and when they arent doing that instead they hunt down people in npc set up ships in there pvp ships same deal the pve players have no chance. PS for the person who challenged me on the bob crowning acheivement... I never said that the playerbase did, go read the thread on the first titan killed before you open your yap. Anyrate it is what it is they killed an unmanned ship and it was representative of one of the biggest acheviements in eve, says alot about eve PVP doesnt it.
Dmian Gallente Starline Engineering Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:08:00 - [59] Originally by: Lord Rah I did the trial and bought the game and enjoyed it until I went out into 0.4 and under. This game is really an awful experience for a newer player. What was CCP thinking getting new players to see this mess of a game? In-game and out of game on these forums I have met only the most introverted, anti-social gamers in any community. A few people try to help you out, but they can't help you avoid complete losers. Never before have I seen a game that endorses griefing other people in the community, telling upstanding people to follow rules but people who have been here longer break them on a daily basis. All in all I will not purchase another CCP product because I feel they have designed this game with the intent to satsify the group of people I hate most in any online game. I'm just glad you're all stuck here with your never-ending character development instead of coming in and ruining one of the great new releases in 2007. Now I feel like I got my $20 worth, I'm sure the trolls are going to jump right on this post. Eat it up guys, I wont be back again to your glee! Aha... so?
Shinji Seto Minmatar Haemon Astrantia	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:34:00 - [60] ROFLMAO @ the OP these threads ***** me up! Instead of crying about getting blown up convo the person who killed you. Ask them what you did wrong, ask them for tips. Some people will smack talk you or ignore you. A lot are willing to give newer players combat tips. You will be surprised at how much you can learn and how many new allies you can make by taking a beating like a man. "Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide"
Gerog Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:50:00 - [61] Life is harsh and so is this game. With life when you make a mistake, you learn from it and move on, not stop. This game doesn't offer that "instant gratification", it makes you work, think, socialize, adapt, cooperate with other people. You shouldn't take anything personal in this game. It is a game after all and we are all here to have fun. If you are the type to gets agitated easily, then this is not your game. It takes a lot of patience and a whole lot of learing just to get even slightly somewhere in this game. Hope you have fun in your new MMO, I'm sure it'll be mindnumbing. Oh & BTW, can I have your stuff? Yeah, I had to throw that in. Gerog
Prophet Jurah	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:23:00 - [62] Originally by: Mortuus Best of luck in whatever game you play next that holds your hand all the way through. coughWoWcough
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:21:00 - [63] Thank god CCP have ideals they are not going to sell out in order to make a better profit. Else we would have a WoW in space in no time. Sure, WoW has more subscribers. But WoW is also a total mainstream product, trying to appeal as many people as possible. EvE is different. It gives much more power to the people that play it. If you are not smart enough to use these powers you will fail. And i'm not talking about superpowers here. I'm talking about social engineering powers, tactical and strategic powers. Stop thinking in Singleplayer mode. Find some friends and travel in packs. No one forces you to go to low sec either. If you can't do that, maybe EvE really is not for you and you should go to WoW. In the end EvE is survival of the fittest, and you did not pass the cooper test. Bye.
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:28:00 - [64] Freelancer is the WoW of EVE imo,, and look where that online experience is. In FL you can: A) Equip anything straight off the bat, provided cash is no issue. B) have almost non-consequential pvp C) NPC or PVP to your hearts content. D) Be maxed out in a months time Could almost get my money back on the game from the dealer in that time :) ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Revona	Posted - 2007.01.03 03:00:00 - [65] It's pretty damn simple to me. You don't like what you call griefers, which are pirates, a profession in eve, to make money and have fun and not solely to ruin gaming experience of other's. You, will, encounter, them, in, low sec. Do not go, to low sec, and you'll be fine. This is like saying.. Whoo, I liked life, till I went into a boxing gym with a sign saying 'enter here and the police will not protect you, you can get beat up'. Then complain they grief. Either learn how to box, or stay out of there. You said it yourself, you liked the game untill you went into low-sec, meaning you'd like the game without low sec, and because you have the choise to now goto low sec, you can like the game. If you didn't figure that out though you gotto be extremely stupid, and likely not fit to play EVE. Or maybe you are, cause you're a carebear that doesn't want to compete and just do lvl 1 missions. You're obviously afraid of any competition at all, AT ALL, you left after prolly losing a ship you were given back by insurance. WoW, hell, any game is prolly too challenging for you. I really wonder why you're still alive cause life is way harder than figuring out that if you don't like to get killed by player pirates you shouldn't go into low-security... Give up man, just give up.

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