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Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 09:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/01/2007 09:16:56 Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. Thanks for proving my point You had no point, except "go elsewhere".
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.02 09:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. All agents within the Caldari State can offer you the same rewards for your LP. Some time ago the devs stated that only the military corp's agents had access to the faction ships, but I got a T2 ship BPC offer from one of the R&D corp agents so that is probably been changed without notification to the player base. Guards, Patrols, whatnot should be as good or even better than the Navy, especially when they're smaller corps with better multiplicators. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Wotar	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Dezzereth Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/01/2007 09:16:56 Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. Thanks for proving my point You had no point, except "go elsewhere". No, dear. My point is stop believing everything that other sheep tell you in noobcorp chat and find stuff out for yourself, stop thinking that you HAVE to work for the Caldari Navy, rid yourself of the mistaken belief that only the Navy give you Navy ship offers and realise that you chose to run misions in Motsu, no-one forced you to and you're free to leave at any time. Clear?
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:22:00 - [34] All agents within a faction that can give out navy type ships, can and will give out those ships, not just the navies. Besides, navies suck for standing increases, they're too big... smaller corps are nicer too work for. And get out of high sec!!!
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Dezzereth Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. afaik, every combat agent whose corp belong to the caldari faction can give you one... I dont think people know this... which contributes to everyone picking Caldari Navy. Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I have 100k lp in Motsu, and I need at least another 100k (or so I hear) to qualify for a CNR offer, but after that I'm definitely moving. The prices there are a rip-off, too This is a sig-worthy cause if ever I've seen one. Spread the word! -------------------------------------------- 'Friends, when the word of reason has been spoken, there is no place left for retort and resentment and contradiction.' *Odyssey XVIII*
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:31:00 - [36] Think it's 400k LP for first navy raven. But not 100% sure on that.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:39:00 - [37] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 02/01/2007 10:39:01 http://eveinfo.com/offers/ According to their db, you can get a 1 run bpc for 200k lp + 500m isk, or there's another offer for double those figures. ------ So you're lagged out in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi, but you want that CNR? Do missions for another corp!
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 02/01/2007 10:39:01 http://eveinfo.com/offers/ According to their db, you can get a 1 run bpc for 200k lp + 500m isk, or there's another offer for double those figures. That's outdated. Navy BS are going for 500k LP and 200 mil. There are also other offers for 500k LP + general tags / offiver tags. and that does not mean, that you get it as soon as you top the 500k. I got my first Navy BS BPC offer at something like 650k - 700k LP. Originally by: Jiekon From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/01/2007 09:16:56 Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. Thanks for proving my point You had no point, except "go elsewhere". No, dear. My point is stop believing everything that other sheep tell you in noobcorp chat and find stuff out for yourself, stop thinking that you HAVE to work for the Caldari Navy, rid yourself of the mistaken belief that only the Navy give you Navy ship offers and realise that you chose to run misions in Motsu, no-one forced you to and you're free to leave at any time. Clear? You still seem to miss the point. The Devs placed agents of a certain corp into a certain region. If a player wants to use those agents (for whatever reasons - I only gave one of mine), then it should be possible? No? It is in CCPs responsibility to solve the problem. No? The same can be applied to fleet battles. CCP makes it necessary to form fleets to be able to attack and defend territory (taking out POSes while covering attack fleet makes numbers necessary). If the game can't handle it, it is in the responsibilty of CCP to clear it up. Yes, you could argue that since the game can't handle it people should refrain from forming large fleets, but people do it out of choice, because they like the activity, as other like the place or a certain "missionset". To give you some of my reasons so you better understand my point: 1.)I have never gotten any shipoffers except from navy agents - be it from Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr or Gallente corporations. 2.) I have a huge amount of LPs with my chosen agent. If CCP would finally make LPs faction (or corp)based, then this wouldn't be such a big problem. 3.) I simply like the place. In closing, I am sure a character who is one and a half year in an NPC corp with a sec status of 0.0 shouldn't tell me or anyone else how to choose agents.
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Gariuys Think it's 400k LP for first navy raven. But not 100% sure on that. Yes, offers have been changed in May or June last year and 400k LP is the threshold where you get offers for a Navy Raven. Though that 400k LP offer involves quite a few Tags, including 2 rarer ones like Estamel's.

Zoi Opia Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:26:00 - [41] Here are few ideas, which may have been proposed earlier, and do require (even quite a big) changes to the agent system: 1) Change agent quality to be dynamic - i.e. more popular agents degrade in quality, unpopular ones rise in quality 2) Make agents to move regularly - i.e. after a month or two an agent feels (s)he needs a change in atmosphere and moves to another station of the same corporation 3) Change LP's to be corporation and not agent based, or divide earned LP's between corporation LP and agent LP pools - LP's in corporate pool could be usable with any agent of the corporation to fulfill offers in addition to LP's in per-agent pool 4) Make LP's transferrable between agents of the same corporation, maybe with 10 % or so transfer fee
Wotar	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Dezzereth You still seem to miss the point. The Devs placed agents of a certain corp into a certain region. If a player wants to use those agents (for whatever reasons - I only gave one of mine), then it should be possible? No? It is in CCPs responsibility to solve the problem. No? The same can be applied to fleet battles. CCP makes it necessary to form fleets to be able to attack and defend territory (taking out POSes while covering attack fleet makes numbers necessary). If the game can't handle it, it is in the responsibilty of CCP to clear it up. Yes, you could argue that since the game can't handle it people should refrain from forming large fleets, but people do it out of choice, because they like the activity, as other like the place or a certain "missionset". To give you some of my reasons so you better understand my point: 1.)I have never gotten any shipoffers except from navy agents - be it from Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr or Gallente corporations. 2.) I have a huge amount of LPs with my chosen agent. If CCP would finally make LPs faction (or corp)based, then this wouldn't be such a big problem. 3.) I simply like the place. In closing, I am sure a character who is one and a half year in an NPC corp with a sec status of 0.0 shouldn't tell me or anyone else how to choose agents. Here we go. Who cares what character I post with? Grow up. And I'm not telling you 'how to choose agents', I'm telling you that your situation is self-created and that you have to power to change it. At no point while you were accumlating your huge amount of LPs, did you realise that just possibly Motsu is overcrowded and suffers from bad performance issues? In all that time, you never thought to leave, and only now realised that its a problem and you should come and whine on the forums? I don't buy it. Come on - first time I ever went there, I just laughed and instantly recognised that running missions there is just ridiculous and no-one in their right mind would consider it. In all this time, it never even occured to you? I'm unconcerned by your observations of what corp gives what offers. I'll be very clear once more, just for you: Any corp within the Caldari faction will offer you Caldari Navy ships. (I know this to be true beause I have verified it myself, rather than take the word of some random sheep in State War chat.) Yeah it is CCP's responsibility to fix the performance issues, but be realistic - do you think that's going to happen tomorrow? Of course not, so stop being so stubborn and go do something about it yourself (like the rest of us did).
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Arondos I just logged because the lag was so bad in Sayarcten. It was taking 20-30 seconds for modules to activate. Everyone in the system was having problems. Population? 17 people. Did the same thing last week if one day a week I am not going to get to play because of lag. I'll take my money to a company that will fix lag issues. Some times it looks like CCP wants u to logout because the lag was so bad sometimes it looks like the want peaple to pay but not play . Sory but sometimes it realy looks this way . Sometimes it looks like the realy know about these problems and the even make them bigger . Maiby the just dont like the mission runners . I realy dont know whats the case here and why the just cant clone some agents and put them in some other systems . But i know fore sure that caldari rase hase the most players in the game .
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:53:00 - [44] Oveur (seniour producer) asked the pilots to move out of the hotspots about 1.5 years ago. At the same time ccp gave the hint that all corps within a faction hands out the good stuff. Not too many followed the advice. My last faction ship offer came from Core Complexion. Quote: Core Complexion Inc. The great success story of Minmatar business, Core Complexion is one of very few Minmatar corporations that have managed to succeed on a universal scale. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Tachy Oveur (seniour producer) asked the pilots to move out of the hotspots about 1.5 years ago. At the same time ccp gave the hint that all corps within a faction hands out the good stuff. Not too many followed the advice. My last faction ship offer came from Core Complexion. Quote: Core Complexion Inc. The great success story of Minmatar business, Core Complexion is one of very few Minmatar corporations that have managed to succeed on a universal scale. Ah i see your point :) So when Oveur (seniour producer) would advice us all to become a miner we all should pay to play and become a miner ? Becouse there game server is working beter when we all mine :)
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:52:00 - [46] Federation navycommand 4+13 Republic fleetcommand 4 +16 in 0.4 Amarr Navycommand 4 -13 ! Caldari Navicommand 4 +18 Why my heart don't bleeds for the need of more high level agents for the poor Caldari?
Rooker	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:46:00 - [47] Edited by: Rooker on 02/01/2007 13:46:34 My solution, which is patent-pending j/k Have the agent start the mission in a less populated system somewhere nearby. I wouldn't mind hopping 2, 3 or even 4 gates if it means I can actually use my modules when I get there. If there's 100 open missions in Motsu, WELL DUH, start the mission a few jumps away in muvolailen or Isenairos where the lag rarely gets bad. edit: typo --- Space For Rent
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 14:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Wotar Here we go. Who cares what character I post with? Grow up. And I'm not telling you 'how to choose agents', I'm telling you that your situation is self-created and that you have to power to change it. The smiley at the end was there for a reason, but well.. humor is lost on these forums anyways. If I would have wanted to ridicule your character's apparant inexperience, then I would have written only that line. You tell me grow up, I tell you to grow some humor. On a related matter, yes, to me it does indeed matter which character you post with. Why "hiding" behind an alt when defending your pov? Would you like it more of we all would only communicate with alts? There is simply more weight to your words, especially in EVE, if you state who you are, and what you say. Nonetheless I have ofc no problem interacting with alts, it's jsut that it is not something I would or want to do, or like to happen on an even larger scale than it's already the case. Originally by: Wotar At no point while you were accumlating your huge amount of LPs, did you realise that just possibly Motsu is overcrowded and suffers from bad performance issues? In all that time, you never thought to leave, and only now realised that its a problem and you should come and whine on the forums? I don't buy it. Come on - first time I ever went there, I just laughed and instantly recognised that running missions there is just ridiculous and no-one in their right mind would consider it. In all this time, it never even occured to you? 1.) I went there at the beginning when the agent I worked for moved from Hageken to Aramachi, quite a bit before the lag got bad. (LPs moved too with her ofc .. thnx CCP ) 2.) I never said I was in Motsu. I am in Aramachi, and there lag had been a serious problem only recently. 3.) I didn't come to the forums to whine, but to support the OP, especially in regard of the tight clustering of the Navy's high level agents. Originally by: Wotar (I know this to be true beause I have verified it myself, rather than take the word of some random sheep in State War chat.) You like that "heard in noobchat" argument, dont you 1.) Well I was never in the State War Academy 2.) From my character's 3 years I spent about 2 days in an NPC Corp at the beginning. And later a day or so to found my corp. 3.) Generalizations are bad. 4.) Very cool that you and apparantly others got ships from other corps than navies, but my personal experience (and I have alot of that with about 5 non-navy corps), simply is not filled with such an enlightening event. Lucky you, and grats Originally by: Wotar Yeah it is CCP's responsibility to fix the performance issues, but be realistic - do you think that's going to happen tomorrow? Of course not, so stop being so stubborn and go do something about it yourself (like the rest of us did). Oh I will :)
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 14:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Rooker Edited by: Rooker on 02/01/2007 13:46:34 My solution, which is patent-pending j/k Have the agent start the mission in a less populated system somewhere nearby. I wouldn't mind hopping 2, 3 or even 4 gates if it means I can actually use my modules when I get there. If there's 100 open missions in Motsu, WELL DUH, start the mission a few jumps away in muvolailen or Isenairos where the lag rarely gets bad. edit: typo Actually quite a good idea. With the introduction of "Warp to 0", I could live with 3 to 5 jumps to a mission site. If CCP manages to disperse the missions well.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.02 14:45:00 - [50] What CCP should do is get rid of agent quality and make rewards baised on sec rating. Problem is not solved, but at least it is transfered for now --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE

AlphaM Doom Guard	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:03:00 - [51] I decided not use agents in motsu and saila, I now use a lower Q agent who sends me into these systems for missions
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:15:00 - [52] Originally by: AlphaM I decided not use agents in motsu and saila, I now use a lower Q agent who sends me into these systems for missions CCP @ their best
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:19:00 - [53] You guys who keep telling us to move to low sec and lower quality agents consistently try to hammer it in that you're smarter than us, that we are sheep, etc... FYI: the reason people stay in these systems is because they are so busy, the markets are very liquid, sale times are low, because everyone is in the same station it cuts on unecessary travelling and the end result is we have more ISK. Geddit? More stuff happens in motsu than in some shabby backwater agent up **** creek. That's what ccp didn't realise when they designed this system, people will naturally flock together because of trade opportunity. And trust me, I am talking hundreds of millions of isk here. Mission runners are driven by the desire to be profitable more than anything else, and despite what you think, this region is where the money is at. A glimpse at the undocking of ships at the caldari navy station in motsu will tell you that. The same thing is true for other systems like Kaunokka for example. Some places simply are better than others and the whole blanket statement "move to a better system" dosen't apply when you realise more money can be made here. Why should I take risks just to make the pvp crowd happy as they shoot my industrials and shuttles?
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:16:00 - [54] The problem is agent quality. It isn't really needed. Remove that and people will spread out to the other agents not being used. Keep it simple, have the agents in lowsec give higher rewards than highsec, job done. Oh, and LP should be for the corp, not the agent!! Shame on you CCP!
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:50:00 - [55] its not just motsu - what other things can CCP do to reduce lag ?
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:28:00 - [56] Edited by: MMXMMX on 06/01/2007 11:25:57 Originally by: ollobrains its not just motsu - what other things can CCP do to reduce lag ? Clone the agents that people use allot and put them in empty systems . Maiby after cloning the can rename the agent a little :) who cares . See moving the agent wil only move the problem :)
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:06:00 - [57] I had to leave Motsu and started at level 1's again with a different faction just to work up my standing to use the level 4 agent I want. I was forced to move on from 250k LPs in Motsu, I just dont want to deal with the lag. I don't think its fair I have had to make this choice, I liked Motsu, but the lag is too serious in level 4s there. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Asael Caldari Nathlin Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:17:00 - [58] Hello, i am an old Santenpaa resident. Even tough that i did not reside in Motsu, i still ran missions for the agents in Motsu (while being based in Isenairos). After being "forced" to drop my Saila contact when the lag started growing there, my options grew slimmer. Still sometimes i tried to go back into Saila, only to try and run and cancel the mission. After i was getting to the point that Motsu will become such a situation aswell for me, i decided to do some research. Since a few days i have been happely sitting in a area where the player peak is 25, and i have yet to see any lag. And this is with a level 4 Q18, Internal Security Agent for the Hyasyoda Corporation. (Which has also increased my funds income since i am not being halted by lag or traffic) It is possible to get a equal or even better agent then in Santenpaa, without the lag. Just do a bit of research ______________________________ Nathlin Enterprises Inc. CEO -Everto es hic servo Mihi
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:48:00 - [59] Easy solution: Allow transfer of LP's to any agent in the same faction. How many of us would leave Motsu and find other agents if it didn't mean losing 100's of 1000's of LP's?


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