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Samael79 Caldari JASDIP	Posted - 2007.01.01 18:55:00 - [1] Gentlemen, i'm here to speak about a problem that affects a lot of people that are doing level 4 missions for the Caldary Navy, more exactly for it's famous lev 4 quality 18 in 0.9 security agent in Motsu. The problem might have been adressed before, i don't know, i read bits of the forums seldomly. I made this post to make the technical team aware of this. A lot of people play Caldari, a lot of those doing level 4 missions are working for the Motsu agent, thus Motsu and surrounding systems are very populated. An alternative is to go in Aramachi (3 jumps from Motsu and an end of the line system) and work for the quality 13 agent the Navy has there. In between Motsu and Aramachi is Saila, thus both agents place a lot of missions in this system. Now, the problem is Saila has TONS of lag, on a daily basis, with average occupancy i'd say (130ish people on Local). To make matters worse, Jita is just a few jumps away, and something tells me Motsu, Saila and surroundings are on the same server cluster. Find a solution to this, introduce 1-2 more good quality agents for the Command division, or any division known to give kill missions, separate these regions from the Jita server cluster, change the location these 2 agents keep sending you in mostly (Saila) i don't know, but fix it somehow because i think it's easily fixable with a bit of good management. Life for the guys doing these missions is hell in these areas every day for weeks now, so it doesn't look like a temporary thing. P.S. Made this post to make the developers aware of a situation i see resonably easily fixable, just that. And to the people that will come and say change location i'll say this: no, i won't change location, it's not just the LP I and the others here worked hard for, but one should be able to play wherever he likes.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:01:00 - [2] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 01/01/2007 19:02:10 So try some other systems. Here is a search for agents in the same region as Motsu and Saila, and behold... there are lots more agents that arent half bad: Citadel kill mission agents, sorted on quality Also check neighbor regions... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
mrmugshot	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:01:00 - [3] Yes, lets get all the devs to fix your issue since YOU won't move, therefore making the other 100,000+ subscribers wait for bug fixes. LOL!
Yblarbo Janks Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:12:00 - [4] Janks agrees that this system is all clusteredup. He ask half of you to leave so that he doesn't have to, and report back in a week or so. Huzzah!
Samael79 Caldari JASDIP	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:14:00 - [5] Listen, it's not MY problem, it's the problem 136 people are having right now, and have had it for weeks, if not more. Imagine that when i came here i worked for the Motsu agent, and after quite a bit of missioning i did go in another area, to an agent of worse quality, in Aramachi, and i gave up the LP gathered until then. No i don't want the +2 implants or whatever, from cashing in those LPs, i see them pretty much lost. So now you're suggesting i should dump again the LPs gathered in Aramachi, no friggin way. Besides, this is not even the issue, the truth is we accept Jita as beeing laggy, as we only trade there, but an area where a lot of people play this game should allow you to play the game decently. As i said, this is not a temporary problem this zone is having.
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:26:00 - [6] Motsu was a bad decision on CCP's part. They wanted to move the busy agents, so they moved Toras from Niyabainen to Motsu. This put 4 CN level 4 agents, including the 2 best ones, within 2j of each other. The whole thing got cluster****. No-one was surprised. I suggest introducing faction-wide LP (Caldari State LP, rather than Toras LP or Caldari Navy LP) and then introducing 5x as many agents of similar quality, all over Caldari space in similar sec areas. Personally I think all the level4s should be in low sec (that would seriously help the cluster caused by the agent runners), but I don't see that happening, so spreading them out seems the next best thing. --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, **heads, its my text, not yours.
Ander Zeiss Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:27:00 - [7] To be honest, the quality of the agents in that area are not the reason I mission there, but rather the fact that I have 4 level 4 combat mission agents which I can use. I tried using a single agent out of the lag zone, but I quickly found that turning down a mission basically meant I should log off for 4 hours. As long as people have no options instead of logging off or jumping 15 systems to run missions, you will continue to have this problem. I'd run missions for negative quality agents as long as there were enough of them in a area so that I could actually play and not wait out some silly timer.
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:36:00 - [8] CCP definitely pulled a no-brainer here. Months ago they moved agents around to alleviate the lag from other system (like Lage.. I mean Hageken), and managed to cluster (ALL) the best high sec agents from the Caldari Navy 2 jumps away from each other. Of course that produces a lot of lag and a lot of problems. The solution in this case is too easy. Simply move all but one of the agents to (SEPERATE), calmer, parts of space. To the smartasses: There are a lot of people using agents I'd say about 500 people are affected by it daily, and they have the right to have a smooth gameplay, especially since the solution is all to easy. The OP states a valid problem to people doing missions in that area. They are there for a reason, and options to move are realistically not there. Low sec is simply not an option for a lot of (casual) players.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Dezzereth To the smartasses: There are a lot of people using agents I'd say about 500 people are affected by it daily, and they have the right to have a smooth gameplay, especially since the solution is all to easy. Sure, you guys are welcome to sit around and wait for the solution. Doesnt bother me. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dezzereth To the smartasses: There are a lot of people using agents I'd say about 500 people are affected by it daily, and they have the right to have a smooth gameplay, especially since the solution is all to easy. Sure, you guys are welcome to sit around and wait for the solution. Doesnt bother me. It doesnt make a difference: Make post, tell CCP - CCP ignores, non missionrunners flame. Make no post - CCP ignores it obviously, since they are too far detached from their game to notice such things. So, in a way, not making a post about certain issues (this among them) would save a lot of percious storage space, but I think one can hope that it MIGHT be noticed.
Arondos Minmatar Old Timers Guild	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:57:00 - [11] I just logged because the lag was so bad in Sayarcten. It was taking 20-30 seconds for modules to activate. Everyone in the system was having problems. Population? 17 people. Did the same thing last week if one day a week I am not going to get to play because of lag. I'll take my money to a company that will fix lag issues. Life isn't fair and neither is Eve. Get over it.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.01 19:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Dezzereth It doesnt make a difference: Make post, tell CCP - CCP ignores, non missionrunners flame. Make no post - CCP ignores it obviously, since they are too far detached from their game to notice such things. So, in a way, not making a post about certain issues (this among them) would save a lot of percious storage space, but I think one can hope that it MIGHT be noticed. It also helps with the frustration to make posts on the forum... :) But they know about this problem. It has come up tons of times before, and Motsu have been laggy since... forever. Everybody goes there to do their level 4 missions since its a good location, and most people pick caldari for mission running. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:02:00 - [13] As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. Go back to leg central and stop complaining about the effect of your choice. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. Why cant he fly missions for the other factions? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Kathy Gallente The Dark Realm	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:10:00 - [15] Edited by: Kathy on 01/01/2007 20:11:25 On a side note, why not just add some more CN Agents to Empire Space? My last Research has brought me a complete 4 Agents which where of my choice (Empire >= 0.5, Command, L4) and guess who and where they were. If CCP wants an easy fix for the lag issues in citadel / the forge, just add some more agents and let the people spread out.
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. Grats, you just convinced my CPF agent (who is, incidentally, better than any of the Motsu/Saila agents) that he didn't exist, and now he's refusing to give me any missions --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:15:00 - [17] Edited by: Andrue on 01/01/2007 20:16:39 I think the best solution would be to have quality be load dependant. As agents get busier they start dropping in effective quality. Unfortunately this isn't an easy solution. There would need to be some mechanism by which the agents can warn people that quality was dropping and I think in all fairness they'd have to offer some kind of referral system. Something along the lines of "I've been very busy recently so I'm going to take it easy for a while. I suggest you talk to Fred Bloggs - he'll be expecting you". Then you probably have to address the logistics of relocating. Maybe the agent can offer to move your stuff over night. But that's the best solution. The simplest solution is just to introduce more agents of the same highest quality and spread them around. Personally I don't see why people are so determined to be running the very best agent all the time but if they are add more to the game. Oh and drop the rewards to compensate. We don't want to affect overall game balance. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Jim McGregor It also helps with the frustration to make posts on the forum... :) Then apparantly lately a lot of people have reason to vent. Originally by: Jim McGregor But they know about this problem. It has come up tons of times before, and Motsu have been laggy since... forever. Everybody goes there to do their level 4 missions since its a good location, and most people pick caldari for mission running. If they know, they could do something about it, since this problem is there for over half a year for Motsu/Saila (not forever), and again a bit longer if you count the time before the agent move (Hatakani region). It's really just to move some of the agents (NOT at same place together again).... nothing more... no fancy coding, no additional hardware. I know that the missions for the moved agents would then be in need to be updated, but my guess is it won't eat up a team of 15 people. I hope we can agree that a server running smoothly for everyone from "peaceful" miner to "mean" pirate is something to strive for. And this definitely falls to this category. Some wishes are harder to make reality than others ofc, but imo this falls into the "it basically just needs to be done" catgory.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Ander Zeiss To be honest, the quality of the agents in that area are not the reason I mission there, but rather the fact that I have 4 level 4 combat mission agents which I can use. I tried using a single agent out of the lag zone, but I quickly found that turning down a mission basically meant I should log off for 4 hours. As long as people have no options instead of logging off or jumping 15 systems to run missions, you will continue to have this problem. I'd run missions for negative quality agents as long as there were enough of them in a area so that I could actually play and not wait out some silly timer. Huh? Why are turning down missions? Does it reall hurt that much to run a courier or trade mission every now and again? Are you not up to running L4 missions yet? -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. Why cant he fly missions for the other factions? Dunno. I never understood the reasoning behind the strange fixation of many Caldari pilots on flying for Caldari Navy and only Caldari Navy. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. Grats, you just convinced my CPF agent (who is, incidentally, better than any of the Motsu/Saila agents) that he didn't exist, and now he's refusing to give me any missions Oops, sorry. That was not my intention. (You know that you just called more pilots into your mission running area?) --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Ander Zeiss To be honest, the quality of the agents in that area are not the reason I mission there, but rather the fact that I have 4 level 4 combat mission agents which I can use. I tried using a single agent out of the lag zone, but I quickly found that turning down a mission basically meant I should log off for 4 hours. As long as people have no options instead of logging off or jumping 15 systems to run missions, you will continue to have this problem. I'd run missions for negative quality agents as long as there were enough of them in a area so that I could actually play and not wait out some silly timer. Huh? Why are turning down missions? Does it reall hurt that much to run a courier or trade mission every now and again? Are you not up to running L4 missions yet? Some pilots are not into those missions where you have to fight certain groups, like other empire faction navies. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.01 20:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Tachy You know that you just called more pilots into your mission running area? I'm a nice guy --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
Ander Zeiss Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.01 21:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Ander Zeiss To be honest, the quality of the agents in that area are not the reason I mission there, but rather the fact that I have 4 level 4 combat mission agents which I can use. I tried using a single agent out of the lag zone, but I quickly found that turning down a mission basically meant I should log off for 4 hours. As long as people have no options instead of logging off or jumping 15 systems to run missions, you will continue to have this problem. I'd run missions for negative quality agents as long as there were enough of them in a area so that I could actually play and not wait out some silly timer. Huh? Why are turning down missions? Does it reall hurt that much to run a courier or trade mission every now and again? Are you not up to running L4 missions yet? I actually do the courier missions, but there are a few combat ones that I stay away from as I am pretty new to level 4 missions, and I honestly don't feel like replacing my ship if I get in over my head.
Wotar	Posted - 2007.01.01 22:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep.
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.01 22:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.01 22:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Dezzereth Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. afaik, every combat agent whose corp belong to the caldari faction can give you one... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.01 22:58:00 - [28] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Dezzereth Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. afaik, every combat agent whose corp belong to the caldari faction can give you one... I dont think people know this... which contributes to everyone picking Caldari Navy. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Wotar	Posted - 2007.01.02 01:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. Thanks for proving my point
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.02 01:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. Why cant he fly missions for the other factions? I think Tachy was being sarcastic. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 09:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/01/2007 09:16:56 Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. Thanks for proving my point You had no point, except "go elsewhere".
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.02 09:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. All agents within the Caldari State can offer you the same rewards for your LP. Some time ago the devs stated that only the military corp's agents had access to the faction ships, but I got a T2 ship BPC offer from one of the R&D corp agents so that is probably been changed without notification to the player base. Guards, Patrols, whatnot should be as good or even better than the Navy, especially when they're smaller corps with better multiplicators. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Wotar	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Dezzereth Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/01/2007 09:16:56 Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. Thanks for proving my point You had no point, except "go elsewhere". No, dear. My point is stop believing everything that other sheep tell you in noobcorp chat and find stuff out for yourself, stop thinking that you HAVE to work for the Caldari Navy, rid yourself of the mistaken belief that only the Navy give you Navy ship offers and realise that you chose to run misions in Motsu, no-one forced you to and you're free to leave at any time. Clear?
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:22:00 - [34] All agents within a faction that can give out navy type ships, can and will give out those ships, not just the navies. Besides, navies suck for standing increases, they're too big... smaller corps are nicer too work for. And get out of high sec!!!
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Dezzereth Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. afaik, every combat agent whose corp belong to the caldari faction can give you one... I dont think people know this... which contributes to everyone picking Caldari Navy. Thanks for that. Unfortunately, I have 100k lp in Motsu, and I need at least another 100k (or so I hear) to qualify for a CNR offer, but after that I'm definitely moving. The prices there are a rip-off, too This is a sig-worthy cause if ever I've seen one. Spread the word! -------------------------------------------- 'Friends, when the word of reason has been spoken, there is no place left for retort and resentment and contradiction.' *Odyssey XVIII*
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:31:00 - [36] Think it's 400k LP for first navy raven. But not 100% sure on that.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:39:00 - [37] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 02/01/2007 10:39:01 http://eveinfo.com/offers/ According to their db, you can get a 1 run bpc for 200k lp + 500m isk, or there's another offer for double those figures. ------ So you're lagged out in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi, but you want that CNR? Do missions for another corp!
Naran Darkmood Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.02 10:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 02/01/2007 10:39:01 http://eveinfo.com/offers/ According to their db, you can get a 1 run bpc for 200k lp + 500m isk, or there's another offer for double those figures. That's outdated. Navy BS are going for 500k LP and 200 mil. There are also other offers for 500k LP + general tags / offiver tags. and that does not mean, that you get it as soon as you top the 500k. I got my first Navy BS BPC offer at something like 650k - 700k LP. Originally by: Jiekon From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/01/2007 09:16:56 Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Wotar Originally by: Tachy As a Caldari pilot, you have to fly missions for Caldari Navy. There's no other option. But seriously - its your choice to cram into Motsu with all the other Navy sheep. Just because someone in noobcorp chat told you to work for the Navy because they were too lazy to explain the entire system to you, and since you're equally clueless you havent yet figured out that maybe 100 deadspaces in one system might possibly lag a lot, don't blame others. Just go elsewhere - that makes you smarter then the average sheep. Tell me another corp that gives out Caldari faction ships (Hookbills, Navy Caracals, Navy Ravens) and I'll sign up. Thanks for proving my point You had no point, except "go elsewhere". No, dear. My point is stop believing everything that other sheep tell you in noobcorp chat and find stuff out for yourself, stop thinking that you HAVE to work for the Caldari Navy, rid yourself of the mistaken belief that only the Navy give you Navy ship offers and realise that you chose to run misions in Motsu, no-one forced you to and you're free to leave at any time. Clear? You still seem to miss the point. The Devs placed agents of a certain corp into a certain region. If a player wants to use those agents (for whatever reasons - I only gave one of mine), then it should be possible? No? It is in CCPs responsibility to solve the problem. No? The same can be applied to fleet battles. CCP makes it necessary to form fleets to be able to attack and defend territory (taking out POSes while covering attack fleet makes numbers necessary). If the game can't handle it, it is in the responsibilty of CCP to clear it up. Yes, you could argue that since the game can't handle it people should refrain from forming large fleets, but people do it out of choice, because they like the activity, as other like the place or a certain "missionset". To give you some of my reasons so you better understand my point: 1.)I have never gotten any shipoffers except from navy agents - be it from Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr or Gallente corporations. 2.) I have a huge amount of LPs with my chosen agent. If CCP would finally make LPs faction (or corp)based, then this wouldn't be such a big problem. 3.) I simply like the place. In closing, I am sure a character who is one and a half year in an NPC corp with a sec status of 0.0 shouldn't tell me or anyone else how to choose agents.
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Gariuys Think it's 400k LP for first navy raven. But not 100% sure on that. Yes, offers have been changed in May or June last year and 400k LP is the threshold where you get offers for a Navy Raven. Though that 400k LP offer involves quite a few Tags, including 2 rarer ones like Estamel's.
Zoi Opia Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:26:00 - [41] Here are few ideas, which may have been proposed earlier, and do require (even quite a big) changes to the agent system: 1) Change agent quality to be dynamic - i.e. more popular agents degrade in quality, unpopular ones rise in quality 2) Make agents to move regularly - i.e. after a month or two an agent feels (s)he needs a change in atmosphere and moves to another station of the same corporation 3) Change LP's to be corporation and not agent based, or divide earned LP's between corporation LP and agent LP pools - LP's in corporate pool could be usable with any agent of the corporation to fulfill offers in addition to LP's in per-agent pool 4) Make LP's transferrable between agents of the same corporation, maybe with 10 % or so transfer fee
Wotar	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Dezzereth You still seem to miss the point. The Devs placed agents of a certain corp into a certain region. If a player wants to use those agents (for whatever reasons - I only gave one of mine), then it should be possible? No? It is in CCPs responsibility to solve the problem. No? The same can be applied to fleet battles. CCP makes it necessary to form fleets to be able to attack and defend territory (taking out POSes while covering attack fleet makes numbers necessary). If the game can't handle it, it is in the responsibilty of CCP to clear it up. Yes, you could argue that since the game can't handle it people should refrain from forming large fleets, but people do it out of choice, because they like the activity, as other like the place or a certain "missionset". To give you some of my reasons so you better understand my point: 1.)I have never gotten any shipoffers except from navy agents - be it from Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr or Gallente corporations. 2.) I have a huge amount of LPs with my chosen agent. If CCP would finally make LPs faction (or corp)based, then this wouldn't be such a big problem. 3.) I simply like the place. In closing, I am sure a character who is one and a half year in an NPC corp with a sec status of 0.0 shouldn't tell me or anyone else how to choose agents. Here we go. Who cares what character I post with? Grow up. And I'm not telling you 'how to choose agents', I'm telling you that your situation is self-created and that you have to power to change it. At no point while you were accumlating your huge amount of LPs, did you realise that just possibly Motsu is overcrowded and suffers from bad performance issues? In all that time, you never thought to leave, and only now realised that its a problem and you should come and whine on the forums? I don't buy it. Come on - first time I ever went there, I just laughed and instantly recognised that running missions there is just ridiculous and no-one in their right mind would consider it. In all this time, it never even occured to you? I'm unconcerned by your observations of what corp gives what offers. I'll be very clear once more, just for you: Any corp within the Caldari faction will offer you Caldari Navy ships. (I know this to be true beause I have verified it myself, rather than take the word of some random sheep in State War chat.) Yeah it is CCP's responsibility to fix the performance issues, but be realistic - do you think that's going to happen tomorrow? Of course not, so stop being so stubborn and go do something about it yourself (like the rest of us did).
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Arondos I just logged because the lag was so bad in Sayarcten. It was taking 20-30 seconds for modules to activate. Everyone in the system was having problems. Population? 17 people. Did the same thing last week if one day a week I am not going to get to play because of lag. I'll take my money to a company that will fix lag issues. Some times it looks like CCP wants u to logout because the lag was so bad sometimes it looks like the want peaple to pay but not play . Sory but sometimes it realy looks this way . Sometimes it looks like the realy know about these problems and the even make them bigger . Maiby the just dont like the mission runners . I realy dont know whats the case here and why the just cant clone some agents and put them in some other systems . But i know fore sure that caldari rase hase the most players in the game .
Tachy	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:53:00 - [44] Oveur (seniour producer) asked the pilots to move out of the hotspots about 1.5 years ago. At the same time ccp gave the hint that all corps within a faction hands out the good stuff. Not too many followed the advice. My last faction ship offer came from Core Complexion. Quote: Core Complexion Inc. The great success story of Minmatar business, Core Complexion is one of very few Minmatar corporations that have managed to succeed on a universal scale. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Tachy Oveur (seniour producer) asked the pilots to move out of the hotspots about 1.5 years ago. At the same time ccp gave the hint that all corps within a faction hands out the good stuff. Not too many followed the advice. My last faction ship offer came from Core Complexion. Quote: Core Complexion Inc. The great success story of Minmatar business, Core Complexion is one of very few Minmatar corporations that have managed to succeed on a universal scale. Ah i see your point :) So when Oveur (seniour producer) would advice us all to become a miner we all should pay to play and become a miner ? Becouse there game server is working beter when we all mine :)
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.02 12:52:00 - [46] Federation navycommand 4+13 Republic fleetcommand 4 +16 in 0.4 Amarr Navycommand 4 -13 ! Caldari Navicommand 4 +18 Why my heart don't bleeds for the need of more high level agents for the poor Caldari?
Rooker	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:46:00 - [47] Edited by: Rooker on 02/01/2007 13:46:34 My solution, which is patent-pending j/k Have the agent start the mission in a less populated system somewhere nearby. I wouldn't mind hopping 2, 3 or even 4 gates if it means I can actually use my modules when I get there. If there's 100 open missions in Motsu, WELL DUH, start the mission a few jumps away in muvolailen or Isenairos where the lag rarely gets bad. edit: typo --- Space For Rent
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 14:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Wotar Here we go. Who cares what character I post with? Grow up. And I'm not telling you 'how to choose agents', I'm telling you that your situation is self-created and that you have to power to change it. The smiley at the end was there for a reason, but well.. humor is lost on these forums anyways. If I would have wanted to ridicule your character's apparant inexperience, then I would have written only that line. You tell me grow up, I tell you to grow some humor. On a related matter, yes, to me it does indeed matter which character you post with. Why "hiding" behind an alt when defending your pov? Would you like it more of we all would only communicate with alts? There is simply more weight to your words, especially in EVE, if you state who you are, and what you say. Nonetheless I have ofc no problem interacting with alts, it's jsut that it is not something I would or want to do, or like to happen on an even larger scale than it's already the case. Originally by: Wotar At no point while you were accumlating your huge amount of LPs, did you realise that just possibly Motsu is overcrowded and suffers from bad performance issues? In all that time, you never thought to leave, and only now realised that its a problem and you should come and whine on the forums? I don't buy it. Come on - first time I ever went there, I just laughed and instantly recognised that running missions there is just ridiculous and no-one in their right mind would consider it. In all this time, it never even occured to you? 1.) I went there at the beginning when the agent I worked for moved from Hageken to Aramachi, quite a bit before the lag got bad. (LPs moved too with her ofc .. thnx CCP ) 2.) I never said I was in Motsu. I am in Aramachi, and there lag had been a serious problem only recently. 3.) I didn't come to the forums to whine, but to support the OP, especially in regard of the tight clustering of the Navy's high level agents. Originally by: Wotar (I know this to be true beause I have verified it myself, rather than take the word of some random sheep in State War chat.) You like that "heard in noobchat" argument, dont you 1.) Well I was never in the State War Academy 2.) From my character's 3 years I spent about 2 days in an NPC Corp at the beginning. And later a day or so to found my corp. 3.) Generalizations are bad. 4.) Very cool that you and apparantly others got ships from other corps than navies, but my personal experience (and I have alot of that with about 5 non-navy corps), simply is not filled with such an enlightening event. Lucky you, and grats Originally by: Wotar Yeah it is CCP's responsibility to fix the performance issues, but be realistic - do you think that's going to happen tomorrow? Of course not, so stop being so stubborn and go do something about it yourself (like the rest of us did). Oh I will :)
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 14:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Rooker Edited by: Rooker on 02/01/2007 13:46:34 My solution, which is patent-pending j/k Have the agent start the mission in a less populated system somewhere nearby. I wouldn't mind hopping 2, 3 or even 4 gates if it means I can actually use my modules when I get there. If there's 100 open missions in Motsu, WELL DUH, start the mission a few jumps away in muvolailen or Isenairos where the lag rarely gets bad. edit: typo Actually quite a good idea. With the introduction of "Warp to 0", I could live with 3 to 5 jumps to a mission site. If CCP manages to disperse the missions well.
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.02 14:45:00 - [50] What CCP should do is get rid of agent quality and make rewards baised on sec rating. Problem is not solved, but at least it is transfered for now --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
AlphaM Doom Guard	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:03:00 - [51] I decided not use agents in motsu and saila, I now use a lower Q agent who sends me into these systems for missions
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:15:00 - [52] Originally by: AlphaM I decided not use agents in motsu and saila, I now use a lower Q agent who sends me into these systems for missions CCP @ their best
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:19:00 - [53] You guys who keep telling us to move to low sec and lower quality agents consistently try to hammer it in that you're smarter than us, that we are sheep, etc... FYI: the reason people stay in these systems is because they are so busy, the markets are very liquid, sale times are low, because everyone is in the same station it cuts on unecessary travelling and the end result is we have more ISK. Geddit? More stuff happens in motsu than in some shabby backwater agent up **** creek. That's what ccp didn't realise when they designed this system, people will naturally flock together because of trade opportunity. And trust me, I am talking hundreds of millions of isk here. Mission runners are driven by the desire to be profitable more than anything else, and despite what you think, this region is where the money is at. A glimpse at the undocking of ships at the caldari navy station in motsu will tell you that. The same thing is true for other systems like Kaunokka for example. Some places simply are better than others and the whole blanket statement "move to a better system" dosen't apply when you realise more money can be made here. Why should I take risks just to make the pvp crowd happy as they shoot my industrials and shuttles?
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:16:00 - [54] The problem is agent quality. It isn't really needed. Remove that and people will spread out to the other agents not being used. Keep it simple, have the agents in lowsec give higher rewards than highsec, job done. Oh, and LP should be for the corp, not the agent!! Shame on you CCP!
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:50:00 - [55] its not just motsu - what other things can CCP do to reduce lag ?
MMXMMX Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:28:00 - [56] Edited by: MMXMMX on 06/01/2007 11:25:57 Originally by: ollobrains its not just motsu - what other things can CCP do to reduce lag ? Clone the agents that people use allot and put them in empty systems . Maiby after cloning the can rename the agent a little :) who cares . See moving the agent wil only move the problem :)
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:06:00 - [57] I had to leave Motsu and started at level 1's again with a different faction just to work up my standing to use the level 4 agent I want. I was forced to move on from 250k LPs in Motsu, I just dont want to deal with the lag. I don't think its fair I have had to make this choice, I liked Motsu, but the lag is too serious in level 4s there. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Asael Caldari Nathlin Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:17:00 - [58] Hello, i am an old Santenpaa resident. Even tough that i did not reside in Motsu, i still ran missions for the agents in Motsu (while being based in Isenairos). After being "forced" to drop my Saila contact when the lag started growing there, my options grew slimmer. Still sometimes i tried to go back into Saila, only to try and run and cancel the mission. After i was getting to the point that Motsu will become such a situation aswell for me, i decided to do some research. Since a few days i have been happely sitting in a area where the player peak is 25, and i have yet to see any lag. And this is with a level 4 Q18, Internal Security Agent for the Hyasyoda Corporation. (Which has also increased my funds income since i am not being halted by lag or traffic) It is possible to get a equal or even better agent then in Santenpaa, without the lag. Just do a bit of research ______________________________ Nathlin Enterprises Inc. CEO -Everto es hic servo Mihi
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.02.01 20:48:00 - [59] Easy solution: Allow transfer of LP's to any agent in the same faction. How many of us would leave Motsu and find other agents if it didn't mean losing 100's of 1000's of LP's?

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