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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.11.02 17:58:47 -
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Hello spacefriends,
As many of you know I am the last person to instigate drama or try to gin up delicious meta for others to enjoy out of sheer boredom, but today I come to you with raised eyebrow and clenched sphincter, after listening very carefully to the latest episode of the Jeffraider show (ep. 9)
During the flowing Q&A around capital changes coming out of EvE Vegas, Fozzie commented about how they are looking at bumping mechanics as it relates to capitals. He then also went on to mention they were also looking at bumping mechanics as they relate to freighters.
Now I know there is a (stickied) post already affirming CCP's validating bumping as permissable gameplay, but as hyperdunking has shown us CCP can (and will) change their position on a given mechanic on a dime.
tldr;
If your current career involves bumping mechanics in any way, you may want to let your voices be heard now, rather than later.
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Saskia Laru
the 57th Overlanders Brigade
Cede Nullis
57
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Posted - 2015.11.02 18:05:06 -
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Well if that does come to pass, carebears had best dock up their fat whales cause the finally days will be nothing short of gruesome. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
435
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Posted - 2015.11.02 18:07:32 -
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Another Quote of CCP:
Nothing is unthinkable.
As i understood bumping will get some rework.
Nothing bad with that.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1452
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Posted - 2015.11.02 18:33:00 -
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The concept of reworking bumping mechanics... Maybe I'm ok with it? It would be nice not to fly right through ships anymore for instance.
Without bumping we'd have to go back to the days of alpha nados for killing freighters.
"Just one more nerf, that's what Eve needs. Just one more..."
Eve is getting safer and safer, and subscription numbers aren't really going up are they?
Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities.
StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
435
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Posted - 2015.11.02 18:46:51 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:The concept of reworking bumping mechanics... Maybe I'm ok with it? It would be nice not to fly right through ships anymore for instance.
Without bumping we'd have to go back to the days of alpha nados for killing freighters.
"Just one more nerf, that's what Eve needs. Just one more..."
Eve is getting safer and safer, and subscription numbers aren't really going up are they?
Are you sad?
This does not sound like you are OK?
Remember: "Broadcast for reps"!
There are far more, far interesting changes in the next time.
I like those Ideas CCP came up with.
And one post "No 5 is alive" suggests subscriber numbers *are* rising.
I would think most ppl will not miss bumping that is replaced by better mechanics.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1888
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Posted - 2015.11.02 18:55:08 -
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A rework of bumping is not unthinkable, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were a freighter pilot that some golden age of risk-free AFK hauling is around the corner. Freighters are already ridiculously safe in highsec and last time CCP touched them they arguably made them easier to gank. CCP could have nerfed bumping hard years ago by just changing a few stats, or during the 2013 freighter re-work when the slots were added but did not.
Letting some of the other capitals into highsec is also something CCP is very keen on. However, a major obstacle to that is the current CONCORD mechanic which would make those capitals ungankable haulers. Perhaps the other capitals along with a new tackling/ganking mechanic will make it to highsec far down the road, or one can dream, along with the complete revamp/replacement of CONCORD.
But honestly, there are lot of things CCP says it wants to do but there are obstacles that it does not seem to be able to solve or implement around. I think bumping will be with us for a long time yet. |
Yong Shin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2015.11.02 19:17:30 -
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Don't worry. Even if this does happen, it's as far away as the day Rorquals become viable ships to fly. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3527
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Posted - 2015.11.02 19:28:11 -
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Bumping sucks, but it serves important purposes. |
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2015.11.02 19:46:57 -
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Oh, yippee! I totally didn't want to rescue freighters from bump tackle for a nominal fee. I didn't want that player generated content anyway.
/s
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7193
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Posted - 2015.11.02 19:56:14 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Hello spacefriends, As many of you know I am the last person to instigate drama or try to gin up delicious meta for others to enjoy out of sheer boredom, but today I come to you with raised eyebrow and clenched sphincter, after listening very carefully to the latest episode of the Jeffraider show (ep. 9) During the flowing Q&A around capital changes coming out of EvE Vegas, Fozzie commented about how they are looking at bumping mechanics as it relates to capitals. He then also went on to mention they were also looking at bumping mechanics as they relate to freighters. Now I know there is a (stickied) post already affirming CCP's validating bumping as permissable gameplay, but as hyperdunking has shown us CCP can (and will) change their position on a given mechanic on a dime. tldr; If your current career involves bumping mechanics in any way, you may want to let your voices be heard now, rather than later. F --- This is another fine post brought to you by http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca. Evedarklord.blogspot.ca, going where others fear to go.
As I have warned many many times over the years: when a mechanic that lacks consequence is abused, something is going to change. It does not matter how anybody feels about it at that point when, for example, you can bump a ship for an unlimited time or endlessly camp a system fully cloaked up.
Sure, "legitimate play" applies, but I can also lawyer up to the EULA too (which is why CCP is non-specific for edge cases. Gotta keep the ban hammer strong).
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:16:17 -
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Bumping just doesn't look or "feel" right.
Shooting ships like playing bowling.
Ball hits Pins, Pins fall away...
Anyway.
As always the best solution for the game, is the solution which satifies wether the bumper nor the bumpee but adds content.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Globby
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
264
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:21:30 -
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i'm gay |
Siegfried Cohenberg
Schlomos Incorporated
Shut It Down
122
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:21:52 -
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CCP will never remove freighter bumping from the game. There needs to be a certain level of risk when flying a freighter. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
806
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:26:04 -
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CCP is hellbent on making highsec safe so eventually they will just remove highsec ganking altogether.
They are removing all risks and enforcing safety. They are doing it slowly to not make all the content creation playerbase quit at the same time but the results will be the same.
Once highsec which hosts 70% of playerbase holds no risks anymore players will get bored because the PVE in this game is boring as hell and there will be no chaos left to provide uncertainties.
It doesn't matter what we say, they listen to paying playerbase and paying playerbase don't know what they want.
Keep chugging those blue pills and live in ignorance.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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BirdStrike
State War Academy
Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:27:09 -
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Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:CCP will never remove freighter bumping from the game. There needs to be a certain level of risk when flying a freighter.
"CCP will never...."
All the words after this opening statement are invalid regardless of what they may be.
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Siegfried Cohenberg
Schlomos Incorporated
Shut It Down
122
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Posted - 2015.11.02 21:27:55 -
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BirdStrike wrote:Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:CCP will never remove freighter bumping from the game. There needs to be a certain level of risk when flying a freighter. "CCP will never...." All the words after this opening statement are invalid regardless of what they may be.
It is unlikely that CCP will remove freighter bumping from the game. There needs to be a certain level of risk when flying a freighter. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5444
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Posted - 2015.11.02 22:46:36 -
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Bumping is essential as the only realistic counter to the insane EHP of freighters.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
237
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Posted - 2015.11.03 02:31:21 -
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Wonder how far they are going to go. Because bumping is not just for freighters, and has a real use in PVP against opponents who can shoot back and can often be the only thing keeping them on the field when they make an error or fall into a trap. |
Alex Pendaho
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 02:39:51 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Bumping is essential as the only realistic counter to the insane EHP of freighters.
And it's totally "realistic" that smashing into another ship 200 times doesn't do hull dmg to you. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
3515
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Posted - 2015.11.03 02:41:03 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Bumping is essential as the only realistic counter to the insane EHP of freighters.
And nerfing bumping is the only realistic counter to the whining of whinebears (for 10 seconds until they whine about the next thing).
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
4077
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Posted - 2015.11.03 03:05:52 -
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I am really sick of this stuff...
No, not the nerf train. Well, that too...
But the tunnel-vision approach to the fact that bumping is NOT JUST A HIGHSEC MECHANIC used by gankers, but something that is used literally everywhere in EVE. No, you are not special because you live in highsec. A mechanic that has many useful applications outside of ganking things should not be changed just because of some crybabies losing haulers.
I am going to give the benefit of the doubt here and hope that CCP is going to IMPROVE the way the bumping works rather than nerf it. Hell, maybe it will give the bears that "aggression timer" they have been asking for. That would be great. No need to gank, ever again!
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
599
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Posted - 2015.11.03 04:33:56 -
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good |
Saskia Laru
the 57th Overlanders Brigade
Cede Nullis
60
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Posted - 2015.11.03 05:14:58 -
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It lives! 
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
4077
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Posted - 2015.11.03 06:06:08 -
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Saskia Laru wrote:It lives!
Oh well. 
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1801
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Posted - 2015.11.03 06:48:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Now I know there is a (stickied) post already affirming CCP's validating bumping as permissable gameplay, but as hyperdunking has shown us CCP can (and will) change their position on a given mechanic on a dime. I am not surprised, the writing was already on the wall, or better the bumping thread, as they recently changed the OP and added the following text:
Quote:**This forum post is now 3 year old and does not represent CCP-¦s current stance on the issue, as such it can be viewed as outdated** Also there was a recent meta show where some PL dude complained about losing his 60 or so billion Freighter to a highsec gank which he also decorated with some tears about bumping. I don't say he then batphoned his old friend Fozzie, but it certainly looks that way now.
For now I just wonder if we get another Highsec exclusive here or if this change will impact the other parts of the game as well.
I just wonder why we need this nerf, since the recent Awox and Hyperdunking nerfs already fixed Highsec.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2015.11.03 08:07:21 -
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oh very nice!
outdated and not the fact anymore.
short and cryptic.
i would translate as:
we are not happy how bumping actually works and are rethinking things.
i am curious about the outcome.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Bunnyhopping days
131
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Posted - 2015.11.03 08:18:14 -
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I told you so codies 
@leto they were talking about changes in the context of capitals (i.e. they are aware of all the wider game implications) |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
671
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Posted - 2015.11.03 08:56:59 -
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Alex Pendaho wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Bumping is essential as the only realistic counter to the insane EHP of freighters. And it's totally "realistic" that smashing into another ship 200 times doesn't do hull dmg to you.
What does "realism" have to do with anything? |
Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
118
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Posted - 2015.11.03 09:02:17 -
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Well, don't know about freighter bumping, but I wonder how would they tune this. I see few positives and quite some negatives if bumping mechanics are changed. For instance, we live in low sec space and only station in our staging system has very short undock. Just few kilometers and you are out of docking range. Have caught few carriers by just undocking machariel and bumping the cap out of range of docking. I would be sad to see this go away or get needed :(
On opposite end though, if we undock just 2-3 drednaughts from same station and one makes mistake of moving, they are going to bounce around the tight undocking ring and bowl each other often at ridiculous speeds out of the station. That is annoying.. |
Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
238
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Posted - 2015.11.03 10:39:55 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:I told you so codies @leto they were talking about changes in the context of capitals (i.e. they are aware of all the wider game implications)
Um, sometimes you want to bump station hugging caps too. There is a very good chance that this change would have collateral damage. |
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