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DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:03:00 -
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Hi,
This happens if another corporation other than the Executor pays the bills, then the automatic payment settings will turn off for the other corporations in the alliance. That's normal game mechanics.
It would be advisable to check the automatic setting every now and then to make sure it hasn't been disabled due to some other corp paying the bills that month (any corp in the alliance can pay alliance bills).
Best regards, GM Zerat EVE Online Customer Support
You have to check. That your autopay. Is going to autopay. |

windu mace
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:04:00 -
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CCP=checkbox causes panic  |

Ricardo Aguti
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:05:00 -
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Whenever DurrHurrDurr starts making sense, people need to take note, especially GMs. |

Sroasa
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:14:00 -
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windu mace wrote:CCP=checkbox causes panic 
Can't Checkbox Properly.
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Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:24:00 -
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On the plus side, we might lose are sov. So there's that. |

Herp McDerpinstan
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:15:00 -
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Lorren Canada wrote:On the plus side, we might lose our sov. So there's that.
Well we already moved to curse.
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backtrace
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:17:00 -
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Uhoh! It's again the time CCP manages to surprise me. The very moment I thought that releasing an update with 20-sec-to-open map is the most retard-¦d thing I've seen in this game, I learned about the checkbox that's more retard-¦d than the map. What's next? I am scared! |

Avery Lewis
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:30:00 -
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Well, duh, the automatic payment checkbox is not automatic. You can submit a feature request for another checkbox that makes the automatic payment checkbox automatically check. That makes sense. |

Levarr Burton
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:25:00 -
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Avery Lewis wrote:Well, duh, the automatic payment checkbox is not automatic. You can submit a feature request for another checkbox that makes the automatic payment checkbox automatically check. That makes sense.
Just make sure you check monthly to make sure the checkbox to automatically check the automatic payment checkbox has not been randomly unchecked.
brb, paying sov bills on the sly.
EDIT: Having also read the petition back-and-forth, I can confirm that this GM appears to have been lobotomized in the logical-thought lobe. |

Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 07:41:00 -
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Well they aren't likely going to comment on individual GM replies in this thread but their suggestion that a large amount of alliances after the last major patch all had their checkboxes unticked at the same time due to a series of amazing coincidences is a bit odd!
Once this happened with LAWN we did a check on our autopay checkbox (unchecked) TEST had a check on theirs (unchecked) we then did a quick hollar to neutrals we keep in touch with (c0ven unchecked, a few more unchecked) and either this was simply the most amazing use of completely unknown and unintended game mechanics on a large scale as to be one of the better griefing attempts in the history of EVE,
or this GM simply got it wrong and put some throwaway comment into the response box instead of properly investigating the issue as is their job.
Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
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drakk3n
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 09:25:00 -
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Another case of GMs doing something the player base disagrees with (like banning the ability to scam in recruitment chat).
Thanks CCP  |

Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 09:28:00 -
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Vile rat wrote: Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
Every time CCP **** us off we attack Chribba.
Somebody help Chribba take sov somewhere so we can take it away again. |

xUnlimitedx
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 09:56:00 -
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Checkbox of the Death! |

ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:11:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
Ok we will not not make a big deal of this and definatly not not wont not escalate to new possible hights maybe
- Nulla Curas |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:28:00 -
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This has not occurred for me anyway, and I kinda always have my alt corps pay rather than the autobox...
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Alucard Nosforatu
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:45:00 -
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Sigh. It's sad that im not suprised by the GM replies 
It's a pain not having our jump bridges anymore but don't forget the most important part of the problem.....we lost our Gnome!!  
Give us back our Gnome CCP!!! |

Lizzy Hale
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:16:00 -
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Way to fail. Autopay checkbox not autopaying.....
/facepalm. |

4 Degrees
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:54:00 -
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I am not surprised by any of this anymore. The only way CCP can surprise me now is to uncheck the fuel gauge in my car, leaving me stranded on the road.
Give us or gnome back atleast, geesh not that hard to do(after what it took to get approved). |

Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:38:00 -
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We want our Gnome back!
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:11:00 -
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[WTS] New meaning for "autopay". Inquries may be sent to the GMs.
...And after the yellowboxing and redboxing, lets introduce the checkboxing! << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |

Mainehawk
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:16:00 -
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CCP RETURN THE GNOME!
Seriously, after all it took to get that logo approved it sucks to have it taken away so quickly by a stupid bug in an otherwise great patch.
Oh, and if we could have our SOV back too that would be great. Cheers! |

Shaanan
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:31:00 -
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Free The Gnome |

DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:38:00 -
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The problem is the inability to make GMs accountable via the potential to be banned for posting GM correspondence. This means that GMs have very little incentive to act competently. Lower-level GMs will give you an off-hand comment and close your petition or make a decision without having any legitimate knowledge of the issue or mechanic rather than proactively kicking it up to a higher-level GM who may be able to legitimately answer your question.
Players have been banned in the past for criticizing the GM system and the petition system. People have been banned for posting GM correspondences that are, to be quite honest, extremely apathetic and sometimes downright oppositional to game policy. I've been threatened with a warning by GM Thunder for bumping a miner in a belt for 15 minutes while a fleet member with GCC was waiting out his aggro timer to suicidegank him. Members of my alliance have been temporarily banned for discussing politics in local (not the typical local spam we employ on fleet ops, but legitimate banter and things in the local of our home systems).
Others of my alliance received an official and, after petitions, unreversed warning for "impersonating CCP employees", and some even received an additional warning for disclosing GM correspondence to another GM when we spammed the recruitment channel satirizing a warning from a GM that accidentally used the word "seize action in all CCP moderated channels" rather than cease. It was extremely clear that our actions were satirical and humorous in nature but the inability to disclose GM correspondence means that, at any time, a GM responding to a petition can choose to ignore the existence of other GM statements when rendering a judgement, at their own personal convenience, and can potentially ban you for copy/pasting from another petition into a current one.
The GM system is ridiculously broken and is aggressively and intentionally structured to ensure that there is no way to speak out against erroneous or abusive GM activities without fear of retribution in the form of further punishment. When a player makes a public statement about a ban there is no way for any sort of legitimate backlash to occur because all protests and negative feedback can be quashed under the guise of "it is against CCP rules to discuss GM correspondence", as was seen with the ridiculous ban on Helicity Boson for using the term "die in a fire", a common internet term.
CCP has been making steps to restore the confidence of the playerbase in them both as a caring company and as a competent developer, and while they've made commendable steps towards repairing a very buggy, unbalanced and sometimes downright broken game, their most common interface with the community as a company are woefully unhelpful and ineffective at resolving any sort of issue beyond the most very basic and simple grievances. Beyond that, they're unaccountable save for a single e-mail address ([email protected]) which is run by a head GM and a former GM, which means that it's a sounding board to have your specific grievance ignored in favour of maintaining the perceive position of GM infallibility.
The GM system is broken. The ban on releasing GM correspondence is terrible and does nothing but protect incompetent or malicious GM activities from exposure. |

drakk3n
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:03:00 -
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EVE 'prides' itself on being a sandbox for nerds and the 99%, and that is what we are treated like by GMs.
We get silenced - just like Gandhi and Martin Luther King.
It's time you, CCP, listened to the players and started sorting out the 'meta' side of your company.
Also my confidence in CCP will not return until they remove the ban on scamming in recruitment.
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
42
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:16:00 -
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I am outraged at this kind of things.
Which is outrageous.
And all that stuff.
More at 11 |

Invitus
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:59:00 -
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This is clearly a bug, and this thread needs more attention so I am posting. |

Drushalla
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 20:07:00 -
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I,for one, welcome our new CCP Autopay checkbox overlords........
Free the Gnome |

Zah Omanid
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 20:09:00 -
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I'm only posting because I have to check my corp mail you fags keep sending me.
Free the Gnome. |

Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 20:10:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:
Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
BALDERDASH |

Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:27:00 -
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That poor gnome.  |
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