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Montolio
Dreddit
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:55:00 -
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I've been told by a GM that if any corporation in the alliance pays this bill, the auto pay checkbox will be unchecked on the executor corporation.
This makes zero sense to me, no action taken outside of the executor corporation should be able to impact any settings of the executor corporation. In what other situations can anyone toggle a checkbox without your direct action?
Does this mean executors now need to start checking monthly to see if they need to pay the bill in advance / recheck the box?
If you check a box it should stay checked. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:56:00 -
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CCP is retarded, more news at 11 |
Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:57:00 -
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Are there any personal alt corp slots open right now? |
Mantho
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:57:00 -
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Checkbox. |
Cinomed Fostergut
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:57:00 -
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Montolio wrote:I've been told by a GM that if any corporation in the alliance pays this bill, the auto pay checkbox will be unchecked on the executor corporation.
This makes zero sense to me, no action taken outside of the executor corporation should be able to impact any settings of the executor corporation. In what other situations can anyone toggle a checkbox without your direct action?
Does this mean executors now need to start checking monthly to see if they need to pay the bill in advance / recheck the box?
Without even a notification? Talk about some easy trolling... |
Gigiarc
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:58:00 -
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Kick B0rt. |
Yakar Kunn
Rim Collection RC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:59:00 -
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What's the point of the checkbox if you have to check it every month? |
Xavier Thorm
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:59:00 -
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Montolio wrote:I've been told by a GM that if any corporation in the alliance pays this bill, the auto pay checkbox will be unchecked on the executor corporation.
This makes zero sense to me, no action taken outside of the executor corporation should be able to impact any settings of the executor corporation. In what other situations can anyone toggle a checkbox without your direct action?
Does this mean executors now need to start checking monthly to see if they need to pay the bill in advance / recheck the box?
If you check a box it should stay checked.
This would seem to defeat the entire point of the auto pay feature. It's not very automatic if so much as looking at it funny turns it off. |
Jack Haydn
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:02:00 -
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:CCP: |
fencejumper
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
11
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:02:00 -
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*Logs into test director alt, disbands TEST* |
Magerawr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:03:00 -
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Yakar Kunn wrote:What's the point of the checkbox if you have to check it every month?
CCP brings new meaning to the word 'checkbox'. |
Cynosurza
FCON Aerarium Militare
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:06:00 -
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Another mindless, illogical setting brought to you by :CCP:
Fix now, CCP, stop letting GMs try to make logic out of something that makes no sense, this is obviously a bug and needs to be fixed now. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:07:00 -
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Most powerful checkbox ever |
Raptor217
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:08:00 -
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This is just one of those bugs they're calling a feature... |
fencejumper
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:11:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:Most powerful checkbox ever
Tied with the sov box :) |
Jessie Gavin
Kick B0rt
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:12:00 -
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BRB, disbanding TEST from the alt corp |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:13:00 -
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While we're here can we have a spacebook 'like' circlejerk? I've been conditioned to enjoy accumulating imaginary internet points. |
BiggerDangDude
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:15:00 -
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You can tell GM's to get raped by a train right? That's what I would do. Then I would ask to speak to their manager. |
Tomato Tomato
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:15:00 -
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Is this the new game CCP was working on? |
Lake
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:23:00 -
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This "intended behavior" is a bug, and no matter how straight of a face you keep while you repeat "intended behavior" it doesn't make it not a bug.
It needs to be fixed.
GMs should take action to ameliorate any inconvenience endured by those affected by this bug. |
leetcheese
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:27:00 -
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working as intended
the logs show nothing
CCP was the third man on the grassy knoll |
BoodaBooda
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:29:00 -
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Shutup nerd.
CCP Fix this before one of our ****** corps (Dreddit) disbands the alliance accidentally/intentionally.
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Dirk Action
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:30:00 -
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CCP just knows how much TEST loves checkboxes, I'm sure they thought making you deal with even more of them was a great idea. |
Corvus Alias
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:38:00 -
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I can has checkbox? |
A3sir
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:38:00 -
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NO CZECHBAWX, NO VOTE |
DrDan21
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 02:44:00 -
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Yakar Kunn wrote:What's the point of the checkbox if you have to check it every month?
It's a lot like a remember me box that you need to check each and every time you log in. It remembers to forget and makes sense because :ccp: |
Marcus Ratz
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 03:12:00 -
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Just tie a piece of string around your finger to remind you to check the note in your pocket, that tells you tell check to make sure the checkbox is ticked.
You can put a yellow post it note on your monitor to remind you why you have a piece of string tied around your finger. |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2011.12.12 03:37:00 -
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I'll be entertaining offers on disbanding test please post all offers here. |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 03:40:00 -
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I've read the petition text. I'll tell you right now, it's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
The GM flat-out says the autopay checkbox doesn't autopay the bill and that the mechanic is working entirely as intended.
It's like CCP GMs have some sort of aggressive brain cancer that causes them to be disgustingly bad at customer service and unable to realize simple things, like the fact that an autopay button not autopaying isn't an intended mechanic.
The entire GM system is essentially broken. There's no legitimate accountability for any sort of GM action because publicly displaying the text of a petition is forbidden. We can't go and yell at a GM on Facebook/Twitter/the forums because rather than addressing the issue, it's far more convenient to simply ban the player who posted their petition, delete/lock the thread and sweep it under the rug. The CCP Internal Affairs e-mail is a joke as well; nothing ever gets accomplished by e-mailing them because the people that run it are also GMs.
There isn't any point in contesting a broken mechanic; you're not going to get anywhere because it's easier for GMs to ignore the issue and close your petition. |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 03:49:00 -
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The thing that frustrates me beyond all the other problems with the GM system and CCP in general is that this is a serious, potentially game-breaking issue. We've already seen one alliance disband less than 48 hours after the deployment of Crucible due to this mechanic and there's no reason that should have occurred other than developer negligence.
This is the sort of thing that needs to be hotfixed immediately when discovered. Any corporate director right now can log in and break the alliance auto-pay checkbox. They can do it moments before alliance bills are due to be paid.
I know alliances have been disbanded in the past (BoB, UFA, Ushra'Khan), but that was due to legitimate alliance directors and CEOs going rogue. The difference here is that any director of any corporation in the alliance can essentially disband your alliance provided they time it right. That's a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed as soon as humanly possible, considering the timeframes required to re-establish an alliance in their space (weeks for jump bridges, two months for sovereignty V, a week just to take a station when timed properly).
Just watch, though. Nothing's going to happen. It took a mass protest and diminishing subscription numbers in order to get the developers to introduce something as standard as iterative balance (and all they did for sovereignty warfare was inadvertently buff supercapitals by making them properly Remote ECM Burst-immune), and no one should have any faith that problems and bugs, even ones as major as this, will be fixed promptly with their track record. |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:03:00 -
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Hi,
This happens if another corporation other than the Executor pays the bills, then the automatic payment settings will turn off for the other corporations in the alliance. That's normal game mechanics.
It would be advisable to check the automatic setting every now and then to make sure it hasn't been disabled due to some other corp paying the bills that month (any corp in the alliance can pay alliance bills).
Best regards,
GM Zerat
EVE Online Customer Support
You have to check. That your autopay. Is going to autopay. |
windu mace
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:04:00 -
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CCP=checkbox causes panic  |
Ricardo Aguti
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:05:00 -
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Whenever DurrHurrDurr starts making sense, people need to take note, especially GMs. |
Sroasa
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:14:00 -
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windu mace wrote:CCP=checkbox causes panic
Can't Checkbox Properly.
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Lorren Canada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:24:00 -
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On the plus side, we might lose are sov. So there's that. |
Herp McDerpinstan
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:15:00 -
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Lorren Canada wrote:On the plus side, we might lose our sov. So there's that.
Well we already moved to curse.
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backtrace
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:17:00 -
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Uhoh! It's again the time CCP manages to surprise me. The very moment I thought that releasing an update with 20-sec-to-open map is the most retard-¦d thing I've seen in this game, I learned about the checkbox that's more retard-¦d than the map. What's next? I am scared! |
Avery Lewis
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:30:00 -
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Well, duh, the automatic payment checkbox is not automatic. You can submit a feature request for another checkbox that makes the automatic payment checkbox automatically check. That makes sense. |
Levarr Burton
B0rthole
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:25:00 -
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Avery Lewis wrote:Well, duh, the automatic payment checkbox is not automatic. You can submit a feature request for another checkbox that makes the automatic payment checkbox automatically check. That makes sense.
Just make sure you check monthly to make sure the checkbox to automatically check the automatic payment checkbox has not been randomly unchecked.
brb, paying sov bills on the sly.
EDIT: Having also read the petition back-and-forth, I can confirm that this GM appears to have been lobotomized in the logical-thought lobe. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
614
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Posted - 2011.12.12 07:41:00 -
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Well they aren't likely going to comment on individual GM replies in this thread but their suggestion that a large amount of alliances after the last major patch all had their checkboxes unticked at the same time due to a series of amazing coincidences is a bit odd!
Once this happened with LAWN we did a check on our autopay checkbox (unchecked) TEST had a check on theirs (unchecked) we then did a quick hollar to neutrals we keep in touch with (c0ven unchecked, a few more unchecked) and either this was simply the most amazing use of completely unknown and unintended game mechanics on a large scale as to be one of the better griefing attempts in the history of EVE,
or this GM simply got it wrong and put some throwaway comment into the response box instead of properly investigating the issue as is their job.
Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
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drakk3n
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 09:25:00 -
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Another case of GMs doing something the player base disagrees with (like banning the ability to scam in recruitment chat).
Thanks CCP  |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 09:28:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:
Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
Every time CCP **** us off we attack Chribba.
Somebody help Chribba take sov somewhere so we can take it away again. |
xUnlimitedx
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 09:56:00 -
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Checkbox of the Death! |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
29
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:11:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
Ok we will not not make a big deal of this and definatly not not wont not escalate to new possible hights maybe
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Nulla Curas |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
1192
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:28:00 -
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This has not occurred for me anyway, and I kinda always have my alt corps pay rather than the autobox...
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Alucard Nosforatu
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:45:00 -
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Sigh. It's sad that im not suprised by the GM replies 
It's a pain not having our jump bridges anymore but don't forget the most important part of the problem.....we lost our Gnome!! 
Give us back our Gnome CCP!!! |
Lizzy Hale
The Milkmen
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:16:00 -
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Way to fail. Autopay checkbox not autopaying.....
/facepalm. |
4 Degrees
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:54:00 -
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I am not surprised by any of this anymore.
The only way CCP can surprise me now is to uncheck the fuel gauge in my car, leaving me stranded on the road.
Give us or gnome back atleast, geesh not that hard to do(after what it took to get approved). |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
42
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:38:00 -
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We want our Gnome back!
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:11:00 -
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[WTS] New meaning for "autopay". Inquries may be sent to the GMs.
...And after the yellowboxing and redboxing, lets introduce the checkboxing!
<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Mainehawk
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:16:00 -
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CCP RETURN THE GNOME!
Seriously, after all it took to get that logo approved it sucks to have it taken away so quickly by a stupid bug in an otherwise great patch.
Oh, and if we could have our SOV back too that would be great. Cheers! |
Shaanan
The Suicide Kings
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:31:00 -
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Free The Gnome |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 17:38:00 -
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The problem is the inability to make GMs accountable via the potential to be banned for posting GM correspondence. This means that GMs have very little incentive to act competently. Lower-level GMs will give you an off-hand comment and close your petition or make a decision without having any legitimate knowledge of the issue or mechanic rather than proactively kicking it up to a higher-level GM who may be able to legitimately answer your question.
Players have been banned in the past for criticizing the GM system and the petition system. People have been banned for posting GM correspondences that are, to be quite honest, extremely apathetic and sometimes downright oppositional to game policy. I've been threatened with a warning by GM Thunder for bumping a miner in a belt for 15 minutes while a fleet member with GCC was waiting out his aggro timer to suicidegank him. Members of my alliance have been temporarily banned for discussing politics in local (not the typical local spam we employ on fleet ops, but legitimate banter and things in the local of our home systems).
Others of my alliance received an official and, after petitions, unreversed warning for "impersonating CCP employees", and some even received an additional warning for disclosing GM correspondence to another GM when we spammed the recruitment channel satirizing a warning from a GM that accidentally used the word "seize action in all CCP moderated channels" rather than cease. It was extremely clear that our actions were satirical and humorous in nature but the inability to disclose GM correspondence means that, at any time, a GM responding to a petition can choose to ignore the existence of other GM statements when rendering a judgement, at their own personal convenience, and can potentially ban you for copy/pasting from another petition into a current one.
The GM system is ridiculously broken and is aggressively and intentionally structured to ensure that there is no way to speak out against erroneous or abusive GM activities without fear of retribution in the form of further punishment. When a player makes a public statement about a ban there is no way for any sort of legitimate backlash to occur because all protests and negative feedback can be quashed under the guise of "it is against CCP rules to discuss GM correspondence", as was seen with the ridiculous ban on Helicity Boson for using the term "die in a fire", a common internet term.
CCP has been making steps to restore the confidence of the playerbase in them both as a caring company and as a competent developer, and while they've made commendable steps towards repairing a very buggy, unbalanced and sometimes downright broken game, their most common interface with the community as a company are woefully unhelpful and ineffective at resolving any sort of issue beyond the most very basic and simple grievances. Beyond that, they're unaccountable save for a single e-mail address ([email protected]) which is run by a head GM and a former GM, which means that it's a sounding board to have your specific grievance ignored in favour of maintaining the perceive position of GM infallibility.
The GM system is broken. The ban on releasing GM correspondence is terrible and does nothing but protect incompetent or malicious GM activities from exposure. |
drakk3n
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:03:00 -
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EVE 'prides' itself on being a sandbox for nerds and the 99%, and that is what we are treated like by GMs.
We get silenced - just like Gandhi and Martin Luther King.
It's time you, CCP, listened to the players and started sorting out the 'meta' side of your company.
Also my confidence in CCP will not return until they remove the ban on scamming in recruitment.
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:16:00 -
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I am outraged at this kind of things.
Which is outrageous.
And all that stuff.
More at 11 |
Invitus
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 19:59:00 -
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This is clearly a bug, and this thread needs more attention so I am posting. |
Drushalla
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2011.12.12 20:07:00 -
[57] - Quote
I,for one, welcome our new CCP Autopay checkbox overlords........
Free the Gnome |
Zah Omanid
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 20:09:00 -
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I'm only posting because I have to check my corp mail you fags keep sending me.
Free the Gnome. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.12 20:10:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:
Personally I'm betting on coincidence and encourage you to not escalate this petition as fast as you can.
BALDERDASH |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2011.12.12 22:27:00 -
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That poor gnome.  |
Thirteen Fish
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2011.12.12 23:24:00 -
[61] - Quote
Yo dawg, we heard you like checking for bills to pay so we put an auto-uncheck autopay bills in your autopay bill system so now you can check that autopay bills will work while autopaying bills
Free the Gnome. |
Alucard Nosforatu
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 23:48:00 -
[62] - Quote
DurrHurrDurr wrote:
The GM system is broken. The ban on releasing GM correspondence is terrible and does nothing but protect incompetent or malicious GM activities from exposure.
This |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
71
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Posted - 2011.12.13 01:23:00 -
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CCP I don't like that my guns, hardeners and other modules stay on auto-repeat when I set them to be on auto-repeat, could you make it so my ship randomly turns off auto-repeat on modules? It would make the most sense if this were to happen whenever I activate/deactivate the module in question. |
Kalsvaka
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 07:34:00 -
[64] - Quote
There's no way that this is an intended game mechanic. If it was, why wasn't it released in the patch notes when it was put into place?
FREE THE GNOME!!!! |
Svennig
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.13 08:47:00 -
[65] - Quote
Yep, the whole thing about not publishing GM conversations is bullshit, not discussing bans is bullshit. Most of the responses I've had from GM's have been bullshit. And yes, they're clueless - the checkbox issue is just further evidence. |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
151
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:29:00 -
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Svennig wrote:Yep, the whole thing about not publishing GM conversations is bullshit, not discussing bans is bullshit. Most of the responses I've had from GM's have been bullshit. And yes, they're clueless - the checkbox issue is just further evidence.
Yep. The GM division is protected from negative feedback to the detriment of their performance. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
30
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:41:00 -
[67] - Quote
So anything come of this yet?????????????//
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Nulla Curas |
K Suri
Red Gooey Bananas
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Posted - 2011.12.18 04:36:00 -
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Have I stepped into a private Test/CFC board???
Of all the alliances/corps in Eve, you guys are the only respondents in this thread (except for Chribba who probably rang Helmar and asked for the "feature" to be included with Crucible - PAYBACK!!! - 10/10 if it was true - lol)
CFC seem to be the only people unable to
1) Control their corps
2) Check a ******* checkbox
3) Read the message that says PAY ME
Htf do you guys hold sov? |
Weisbowsky
Senex Legio
0
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Posted - 2011.12.19 13:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
The Gnome is back. <3 CCP |
4 Degrees
Senex Legio
2
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:21:00 -
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Cheers to CCP The Gnome has been freed
We have our original Lawn back and sov. Good omen for the upcoming events! |
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