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Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Ryysa on 02/01/2007 20:19:54 Originally by: Bazuka Originally by: Ryysa I am a pvper, the only reason I play eve is because of it's complex pvp. Um hum , gatecamping is soooo complex and complicated...and ummmm... exiting PVP...yeah. Your tactic aint gonna work too you know. Becouse no mater how much the whining number increase of you self-proclaimed-EvE-vets it will never be the majority....unless 50+% of EVE players start camping gates...which are the players who whine right? The gatecampers ? I dont ever hear people that hate gatecamping and think its the most ghey play style ever invented ( and called PvP never the less heh ) complain about this. And thats what...90% ? 91% ? more ? Its very cool to hear the gankers cry you know , so I hope these "logoffski"threads go on and on and on and on... Very entertaining. Dude i don't give a ** about gatecamping, out of my entire eve career i maybe spent 4 hours gate camping, I think it's the worst kind of pvp. Let's make it clear, I DONT GIVE A FLYING ABOUT GATECAMPING. ok ? capiche? But if you go into a belt ALONE vastly outclassed against a battleship or battlecruiser with your inty, and he just logs off because he knows you can never kill him within 1 minute, that's where the game is broken. It's not about GATECAMPS, a big gatecamp will gank whatever goes through it within 1 minute easy, gate camps don't have a problem with this. I am just tired of retards coming to forums with alt accounts who are most likely carebears who only heard from forums how dangerous 0.0 is, who have NO clue how to play the game and whine all day on forums how they get ganked and how 0.0 is not accessible. I am personally not part of any alliance, I have NBSI policy and i only have a small 200 man entity blue to me out of the entire eve universe, yet I have no problem going wherever i want to. It's called experience, and knowledge of game mechanics. Now if all you alttrolls would kindly ** off from this thread, because the point of this thread is not to discuss whether logging off is broken or not, the point is to show people exactly how it works, no more, no less. So if you want to flame GTFO and find another thread to post in, I did not create this forum thread pro- or against logofftactics, it's meant as an informative post. All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Moominer InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:24:00 - [32] Ryysa speaks the truth, CTRL-Q effects so much more than bubblecamps, and that's what people are missing. ___ Hostile! CTRL-Q CTRL-Q CTRL-Q ... This well proven theory confirms LOGOFFSKI = 12+15+7+15+6+6+19+11+9 = 100% WIN!
Tanis Bastar Caldari Interstitial Incorporated	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:26:00 - [33] I think logoffski is lame and have never done it, but every now and then when I jump through gates my client freezes in mid-jump, so that all I can see is that I'm in the new system, but nothing else--overview, local, everything is blank. The only way to fix the problem is to close and reopen the client. When I relog I am in the new system near the gate. My question is what other players see when my client freezes--I would hate for them to see me in overview, see me disappear, and assume that I logged--anyone know?
Bazuka	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Moominer Ryysa speaks the truth, CTRL-Q effects so much more than bubblecamps, and that's what people are missing. Maybe..but check out the last 5 or so "logoffski" threads. They all come from gatecampers.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Bazuka Originally by: Moominer Ryysa speaks the truth, CTRL-Q effects so much more than bubblecamps, and that's what people are missing. Maybe..but check out the last 5 or so "logoffski" threads. They all come from gatecampers. That's because there are two seperate "logoffski" problems. The first is bubbles (interdictor and regular) not affecting logoffs. The second is people logging before aggro timer and their ship disappearing. They are related, but totally separate problems. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:31:00 - [36] I can only dream of having a 20+ ship blob. It is the exclamation marks in this thread that are being unconstructive, not the complaining PVPers. I was a noob once, and I was ganked like a noob. Hauler and pod to CA inties. Check. Hauler to F-E gatecamp that was supposed to be blue. Check. Hauler to a gate spawn. Check. Hauler, pod and set of +3s in Amamake. Check. (In my defence, the server crashed and when it rebooted, warped me to spot from which my carefully prepared insta was just off). Needless to say I have also had many narrow escapes during my hauling period. I also narrowly escaped getting my Absolution ganked by MC in 1-SMEB. It would have been a stupid way to die, but when I jumped in, I fought rather than logged. This is why when I hear people declare their "right" to close the client the moment a situation turns bad, I feel such contempt. Not because I because I yearn for carebear blood, but because I have been there and can handle it, and if other people can't throw the same chips into the pot, they can leave the table.
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:32:00 - [37] Edited by: Ryysa on 02/01/2007 20:32:23 @ DS - I believe, I pointed that out in my first post :o All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Bazuka	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:33:00 - [38] Ok , but the whining needs to stop sometimes you know. Write to the devs or somethin. Its the "vets" that allways scream ADAPT !!! and similar.. so how about you guys that have a problem with cry babies logging off adapt and DONT engage a ship you cant take out within a minute ?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:36:00 - [39] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 02/01/2007 20:37:29 Originally by: Bazuka adapt and DONT engage a ship you cant take out within a minute ? ... First you tell us that gatecamping is bad and blobbing is stupid, and then you tell us to only engage ships we can kill in one minute? Guess the only way to effectively kill ships in one minute... You blob them with a gatecamp -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Bazuka adapt and DONT engage a ship you cant take out within a minute ? Interceptor vs elite industrial. Oh damn. Out of my league now.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Bazuka Ok , but the whining needs to stop sometimes you know. Write to the devs or somethin. Its the "vets" that allways scream ADAPT !!! and similar.. so how about you guys that have a problem with cry babies logging off adapt and DONT engage a ship you cant take out within a minute ? So writing a guide on the logoffski and the mechanics behind it is not adapting?
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:39:00 - [42] Originally by: Bazuka Ok , but the whining needs to stop sometimes you know. Write to the devs or somethin. Its the "vets" that allways scream ADAPT !!! and similar.. so how about you guys that have a problem with cry babies logging off adapt and DONT engage a ship you cant take out within a minute ? oh, well, that's the reason that there are so many 20+ man blobs roaming around, because otherwise you just can't kill **** anymore. I doubt you like 20+ man blobs, yet you tell us to adapt, and we do adapt. And as i said before, the gatecampers don't really have a big problem, they have lots of the high damage gank ships, they can take out the target in like 20 seconds np. It's the people who don't actually gank at gates who get hurt the most, you must realize that. The current status with the logoffski actually makes people camp more with lots of people, rather than hunt around in wolfpacks. Less wolfpacks hunting around = less fun small scale pvp. I guess you never thought of it this way, have you? All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:51:00 - [43] The thing the loggers dont seem to realize is that people DO adapt and you are back at square one. So why not just grow a brain and avoid the camp entirely? Fix logging. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
testteyst	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:53:00 - [44] ok can someone explain how a corp mate lost his raven the other night then plz 1 hostile in local, he decides to risk it and warps to a gate, more hostiles entered local, he scanned the gate ahead of him and see a dictor and camp, realises he is in trouble, then POOF crashes out of EVE, Internet/router is down. Manages to log back in around 20minutes later and he is in his new sexy clone. This is because they probed out his ship after he had emergency warped... or?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:55:00 - [45] Originally by: testteyst ok can someone explain how a corp mate lost his raven the other night then plz 1 hostile in local, he decides to risk it and warps to a gate, more hostiles entered local, he scanned the gate ahead of him and see a dictor and camp, realises he is in trouble, then POOF crashes out of EVE, Internet/router is down. Manages to log back in around 20minutes later and he is in his new sexy clone. This is because they probed out his ship after he had emergency warped... or? If you disconnect, you DO NOT get the same benefit as if you had logged off. If you disconnect, the servers wait 30-60 seconds before they count you as having logged off, in case its just a bad case of lag. If you log off, you INSTANTLY are counted as having logged off. This means that if you disconnect, you actually fare much worse than if you had simply logged -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Bazuka Ok , but the whining needs to stop sometimes you know. Write to the devs or somethin. Its the "vets" that allways scream ADAPT !!! and similar.. This guys is absolute quality. Prime example of not thinking before posting. BTW, we are writing to the DEVS, this is how the community can communicate with the DEVS via this forum for discussion. Also VETS do adapt to any given change. Except where there is no alternative to adapt to. Originally by: Bazuka so how about you guys that have a problem with cry babies logging off adapt and DONT engage a ship you cant take out within a minute ? If we adapt to this, then there will be virtually no PVP in EVE aside from blobs and gatecamps as DS has already pointed out. But this is lame for you, so there is no PVP in EVE. Ho hum Elite Scouting
Wylbur Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:07:00 - [47] Edited by: Wylbur on 02/01/2007 21:09:39 Edited by: Wylbur on 02/01/2007 21:08:20 Logoffski is an adaption. Jita is an adaptation. Many other things that are noted in this forum are adaptations. You can fix the symptoms, but that will not cure the illness. The unlying caused of some of these issues are known. Wether they are a problem or not is for someone above my paygrade to decide. Why logoffski? Because people don't want to loss their stuff. Eve's death penalty is very harsh. Players adapt to avoid it. Change things and another adaptation will appear until the underlying cause is addressed. It does not help that the Eve community is filled with people who revel in others misery. There are many solution, but they would result in a huge amount of whining. -----------------------------------------------
Ld Adfrex	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:26:00 - [48] Simple solution me thinks - a) Add a section to the map which lists ships in the vicinity of a gate i.e. people could judge if a gate camp is there or not (or a look ahead before the jump) b) Add a hook on the logout which stops an emergency warp out. A Crashed client would not execute such a sequence LD Out
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:28:00 - [49] lies, the real guide is in my sig 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Wylbur Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Ld Adfrex Simple solution me thinks - a) Add a section to the map which lists ships in the vicinity of a gate i.e. people could judge if a gate camp is there or not (or a look ahead before the jump) b) Add a hook on the logout which stops an emergency warp out. A Crashed client would not execute such a sequence LD Out I like suggestion a. Adaptation to suggestion b, pull network cable. -----------------------------------------------
Moominer InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Wylbur It does not help that the Eve community is filled with people who revel in others misery. There are many solution, but they would result in a huge amount of whining. The last I looked, under 0.4 space EVE is hostile, you enter it at your own risk, and, like it or not "reveling in others misery" is entirely part of this wonderfully brutal game. You even get a popup box informing you of this fact when you try and enter 0.4 or below. Not wanting to get killed in 0.4->0.0 is absolutely no excuse not to fix CTRL-Q abuse, which can currently get you out of 99% of non-consentual PvP situations. If you don't want to get killed, heed the warnings the game gives you and use common sense, rather than making ****ty excuses to dumb down the more brutal aspects of EVE. ___ Hostile! CTRL-Q CTRL-Q CTRL-Q ... This well proven theory confirms LOGOFFSKI = 12+15+7+15+6+6+19+11+9 = 100% WIN!
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:41:00 - [52] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 02/01/2007 23:42:43 I like how the mindboggingly bad justification for logging off doesn't even work mechanically. Logging is great at avoiding lots of things, but sizeable gatecamps isn't one of them - those will vaporize your non-capitalship in under 60 seconds and have enough points or ram you to keep you in place. You wouldn't know though, because you're not logged in when it's happening -_-
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg You wouldn't know though, because you're not logged in when it's happening -_- All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg You wouldn't know though, because you're not logged in when it's happening -_- also -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.01.03 01:07:00 - [55] why has this post not been deleted yet. Its explaining how to expilot they delete macro treads so why not this. Your idea to enable every1 to know how to do this is in hope it will get fixed is just stupid, all you doing is adding to the problem. \|- Insert witty sig here -\| Save Radar Scanner Man!
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.03 01:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Moominer The last I looked, under 0.4 space EVE is hostile, you enter it at your own risk, and, like it or not "reveling in others misery" is entirely part of this wonderfully brutal game. If i dont want to die, i dont go to low sec. If I go to low sec, I *** my knuckles, put on my yarr-suit and hope for the best. People who log off me off just as much as the people who unplug their connection at the start of an RTS game when they land a map or team who they arent good at playing against just to maintain a pristine record. ----------------- One word,, emo,,, The Mishing** is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
ArtemisEntreri Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 01:38:00 - [57] Originally by: SasRipper why has this post not been deleted yet. Its explaining how to expilot they delete macro treads so why not this. Your idea to enable every1 to know how to do this is in hope it will get fixed is just stupid, all you doing is adding to the problem. Because according to CCP it's not an exploit. What CCP need to to is change it so that after you log out people have 30 seconds to get you aggressed for 15 minutes, and for those 30 seconds if you have a cloak it shouldn't deactivate btw. Cormack's Power diag
Jimmy Dolittle	Posted - 2007.01.03 01:48:00 - [58] Originally by: Dark Shikari If you disconnect, the servers wait 30-60 seconds before they count you as having logged off, in case its just a bad case of lag. If you log off, you INSTANTLY are counted as having logged off. This means that if you disconnect, you actually fare much worse than if you had simply logged Based on this post it sounds like ôLogoffskiö is exploiting a bug. But it seems like there is a good reason to have warp away, we saw it numerous times in the tournament, the client/connection is not 100% stable. I think it bites to have a game crash and loose your ship and pod. The problem is how does the game recognize a genuine crash from a deliberate act of evasion. As long as you can unplug your Internet connection, I donÆt see how they can differentiate.
DR HK	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:23:00 - [59] Edited by: DR HK on 03/01/2007 02:26:16 Simple if you are camping a gate and a ship warps in that you can easly kill/disable dont kill it strait away,people only log because they dont want to loose everything.If you gave them the chance to pay tax then you wouldnt be in such a bad situation.If you give people no other option they will choose the easy way out.Poor tatics on the gate camps part.
Wylbur Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Moominer Originally by: Wylbur It does not help that the Eve community is filled with people who revel in others misery. There are many solution, but they would result in a huge amount of whining. The last I looked, under 0.4 space EVE is hostile, you enter it at your own risk, and, like it or not "reveling in others misery" is entirely part of this wonderfully brutal game. What I discribed is clinical Antisocial Personality Disorder (i.e. sociopath). It is not a part of the game; it is a mental illness. Anyone fitting this description would more wisely spend their money on professional treatment. I understand how the game is played. I have been playing for more than three years. I have spent many months living in low sec. -----------------------------------------------

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