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Zondrail
Formic Hive
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Posted - 2011.12.12 04:58:00 -
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I've been a low-sec dweller for a bit now, trying out the low-sec pvp life and getting locked out of high-sec space.
The 1v1 fights I have gotten into have been amazing. The 1v5 I've gotten into where I won or took out a few before I went down were absolutely epic and unbeatable in terms of a gaming experience.
But... things are just too dry. I thought that Crucible would cause a surge of players and therefore provide me with more targets, but it doesn't seem to have done that. I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight.
I've heard/seen that Amamake gets a lot of PVP action. I'm sure it's not all perfect solo fights and such, but at least the fact that there are targets and people are getting blown up is a good sign. I could also go and get my ass handed to me over and over (most of the top people on Battleclinic have most of their kills in Amamake).
So my main question is... why Amamake? Why has it become what it has become?
Beyond that... anyone who is familiar with the area and how things tend to go who wants to share... I would love to hear.
Thanks. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:04:00 -
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Zondrail wrote:I've heard/seen that Amamake gets a lot of PVP action. I'm sure it's not all perfect solo fights and such...
Understatement of the year right here, folks. |
Rharkon
Askari Mining Co.
New Genesis Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:07:00 -
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I'm still new to provide an educated answer, but all I can guess at is that it's been the community-designated place for PvP.
We can also question why the Goldshire Inn on the realm of Moonguard is a central hub for RPers in World of Warcraft, but the only real explanation is...well, it just is. |
Zondrail
Formic Hive
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:11:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Zondrail wrote:I've heard/seen that Amamake gets a lot of PVP action. I'm sure it's not all perfect solo fights and such... Understatement of the year right here, folks.
Thanks? Not sure what your contribution to the conversation is. Are you saying Amamake is a magical 1v1 land? Or are you saying that it's full of gank groups and imbalance... just like the rest of EVE.
It's apparently got targets... which is what I'm concerned with. I assume it has large groups to be dealt with like any other place... move on. |
nate555
GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:54:00 -
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I believe it is the land of the pandemic legion |
Pinkfluff
Lone Wolf Supply Co.
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:07:00 -
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Interesting. I had my first encounter with a pirate in Amamake when I started in EVE years ago. Might just be the area. If I remember right there was a high sec system a few jumps and a fair bit of traffic through the area. |
I likegirls
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:16:00 -
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It is because 10 years ago I promised the first pod pilot to get 100,000 pod kills in Amamake that I would give them 1,000,000,000,000 isk.
You better start catching up. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:36:00 -
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A few things make Amamake fairly special...
- It has A LOT of stations to base out of. In fact, I think Amamake has THE most stations of any system (someone may want to fact-check me on that). More than that, it has quite a few moons to erect POSs at.
- It is right next to major Faction Warfare "rally systems" (Auga, Dal, Sesiede(sp?), and Vard)
- It is a "border system" between high-sec and low-sec.
- There are only two ways leading into low-sec in the general area... both of which pass through Amamake. The "short route" being from Osoggur to Amamake directly and the other one starting from the system Dammalin(sp?) and eventually leading to Amamake.
- Many low-sec "pipes" end up in Amamake, making it a major "flash-point" for gang/fleet activity.
- It is more or less in the "middle" of Empire space, making it ideal for passing capital fleets and storing capital assets.
- Due to it's reputation, many wannabe pirate corps try base around there to "test their meddle." Very few actually survive though (they either get crushed by the pirate corps already established there or they get smacked around one too many times by the local militia pilots).
edit:
nate555 wrote:I believe it is the land of the pandemic legion
Pandemic Legion is only the latest "major" organization to set up shop in Amamake. Before it was BANE (which still maintains SOME presence but cannot operate like it used to due to PL.
"Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one."
~Unknown |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
157
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:43:00 -
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Zondrail wrote:It's apparently got targets... which is what I'm concerned with. I assume it has large groups to be dealt with like any other place... move on.
The level of per capita ***.gotry in Amamake is astounding. The guys with the high BC rank (or at least one or two that I remember) would camp the school stations with carriers undocked, if they got into trouble, store the ship and warp their pod off. Then dock the carrier.
Incredibly lame, but still valid game mechanic. |
Billee Baub
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:50:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Zondrail wrote:It's apparently got targets... which is what I'm concerned with. I assume it has large groups to be dealt with like any other place... move on. The level of per capita ***.gotry in Amamake is astounding. The guys with the high BC rank (or at least one or two that I remember) would camp the school stations with carriers undocked, if they got into trouble, store the ship and warp their pod off. Then dock the carrier. Incredibly lame, but still valid game mechanic.
Valid game mechanic yes, but ultimately I would say the majority of people just laugh and save their respect for other pilots who take risks. Carrier docking is laughable at best and proves nothing other than someone can exploit a hole in the game. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
161
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Posted - 2011.12.12 07:00:00 -
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Amamake is a hive of scum and villainy.
Being the collision zone between faction warfare, and the fact its garnered the reputation (why jita? because its where everyone goes). |
Ephia
Deteis Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:31:00 -
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It was originally because it is on a short cut through low sec between Amarr/Jita trade hubs and Rens |
Takeshi Yamato
ALA Biomedical
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:40:00 -
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Amamake used to be a relatively high traffic system. Haulers came through transporting goods. Pirates settled in and eventually the traffic dwindled. By then it had already established a certain reputation as a lowsec pvp hotspot. |
Ralnik
Alpha Squad
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Posted - 2011.12.12 11:48:00 -
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Amamake was "once" one of the best places to get good fights as a low sec dweller. I learned to PVP on my old account in and around Amamake. I lived in Dammalin as a fresh noob, me and a few friends can flipped miners til we attracted war decs from people we couldn't fight as 2 month old noobs. 
We moved to low sec and then I've lived pretty much no where else (I live Caldari low sec and day trip to Syndicate now). Bosboger, Lulm, Gulmorogod, Olfeim and Amamake were awesome hunting grounds back then and Amamake was like the wild west. It was fun and the place had a reputation which brought constant influx of people into it..
Part of the reason it was popular is because it was the closest low sec to Rens which is the largest Minmatar trade hub and probably the second largest trade hub aside from Jita. (at least it was back then) It was also the low sec path for the fastest way from Minmatar space (around Rens) to Gallente space.
Sadly the fun dried up with blob corps moved in to do nothing but camp the gates 24/7 which also resulted in killing the opportunity for "good fights" because they would blob everything in the top belt. Between FW blobs and local pie blob corps they all pretty much killed what Amamake "used" to be. Now days it's probably same as it was a year or so ago when I last visited, station humpers & gate campers that dock up the second any threat comes knocking,.
Pretty much same thing happened to Old Man Star and Tama which were two other well known hot beds of low sec.. Each is close to a trade hub and have a high sec boarders. I think Gallente and maybe even Caldari FW blobs ruined OMS as they lived next door and pretty much Jesus blobbed any good fights to hell and back.. Tama I think it was always a bit station campy being it only has a single station that kinda kicks you out. I never spent much time there prior to doing Caldari FW for a while. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:41:00 -
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Things change, the blobby corps come and go. And of course, the blob doesn't always win. In any case, amamake isn't all that bad atm. Just heretic army hanging out there and they aren't that big, maybe 10 guys on at any given time. Generally less than that. In general though, the best places for decent little fights are in low sec systems near trade hubs. Amamake is the best known of them, but it certainly isn't the only or necessarily even the best spot. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.12.14 02:41:00 -
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Because even today a lameass remote sebo pirate camps can get 100 kills off no scout idiots on autopilot through Low Sec.
Lesson 1 Dont auto pilot
Lesson 1 Dont Blind jump into lowsec
Lesson 1 Dont haul in Badgers
Lesson 1 Makke is camped ALWAYS.
Lesson 1 I watch to much Archer.
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Jones Bones
Brutor Bike Co.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 03:12:00 -
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It is an amazing place to come ride your bike.
I sell bikes in Amamake, please come visit! |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:50:00 -
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I<3Amamake.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
http://judelloyd.blog.com/ -á |
Soldarius
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:53:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Zondrail wrote:It's apparently got targets... which is what I'm concerned with. I assume it has large groups to be dealt with like any other place... move on. The level of per capita ***.gotry in Amamake is astounding. The guys with the high BC rank (or at least one or two that I remember) would camp the school stations with carriers undocked, if they got into trouble, store the ship and warp their pod off. Then dock the carrier. Incredibly lame, but still valid game mechanic.
Forums ate my post!
Have a cyno covert ops w/probe launcher preposition some combat probes around the area. Now bump the carrier off station while the BC pilot is busy with your bait drake/dual rep myrm, etc. Point the carrier. Watch for obligatory lol in local.
Now light cyno or have your gank fleet jump in. Station humping *** will forget all about 1v1 when he sees the cyno or local spike. But alas! He can't dock, warp, or jump his carrier anymore. He will either logoffski hoping you didn't bring enough dps (doesn't work anymore and he's dumb for not reading the patch notes), or he will stay and fight. Either way, you should win this one, unless he also has a cyno and a bigger fleet on standby.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Wensley
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:18:00 -
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Amamake is small enough to be able to d-scan the whole system from pretty much anywhere with in it, making it ideal for hunting.
Amamake is three jumps from Rens
Amamake has nine L4 agents and one L5 agent and is pretty much the lowsec home of Brutor tribe.
Minmatar pirates are just better :P |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:50:00 -
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Quote:Have a cyno covert ops w/probe launcher preposition some combat probes around the area. Now bump the carrier off station while the BC pilot is busy with your bait drake/dual rep myrm, etc. Point the carrier. Watch for obligatory lol in local.
I think the person in question used to use a merlin to rack up battleclinic points, scooping it up whenever he was losing. Bumping a carrier off station is easier said than done. Plus, you know, you'd need to organise a fairly reasonable gang to kill a carrier. If you were obsessive about it i guess you could do something like that. The easiest solution to that kind of garbage is to avoid the 1 out of 10,000 systems that those kinds of people base in. |
Tavisturus
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2011.12.16 00:20:00 -
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You can still find some good fights in Amamake, you just have to spend some time in the system and get a feel for it. Get to know the locals, or at least learn to identify which ones tend to fly solo and which ones tend to sit in the top belt with backup ready to warp in. |
Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.12.16 02:18:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:A few things make Amamake fairly special... - It has A LOT of stations to base out of. In fact, I think Amamake has THE most stations of any system (someone may want to fact-check me on that). More than that, it has quite a few moons to erect POSs at. - It is right next to major Faction Warfare "rally systems" (Auga, Dal, Sesiede(sp?), and Vard) - It is a "border system" between high-sec and low-sec. - There are only two ways leading into low-sec in the general area... both of which pass through Amamake. The "short route" being from Osoggur to Amamake directly and the other one starting from the system Dammalin(sp?) and eventually leading to Amamake. - Many low-sec "pipes" end up in Amamake, making it a major "flash-point" for gang/fleet activity. - It is more or less in the "middle" of Empire space, making it ideal for passing capital fleets and storing capital assets. - Due to it's reputation, many wannabe pirate corps try base around there to "test their meddle." Very few actually survive though (they either get crushed by the pirate corps already established there or they get smacked around one too many times by the local militia pilots). edit: nate555 wrote:I believe it is the land of the pandemic legion Pandemic Legion is only the latest "major" organization to set up shop in Amamake. Before it was BANE (which still maintains SOME presence but cannot operate like it used to due to PL.
You're not living up to your sig quote with this post at least.
1) The system with the most stations is Nonni, with 22. Amamake has few moons compared to other systems (21). Bosboger has 96, Auga 78 etc.
2) There is no low-sec pipe that ends in Amamake, as the whole make/dal/siseide/auga/lantorn/vard cluster is interconnected, and it's this connection that is part of the allure of make, which you also hint to yourself, so making your low-sec pipe argument even more odd.
3) It's far away from being in the middle of Empire, it's in the lower right hand quadrant by quite a long way. The middle of empire space is right around Dodixie (thanks in part because of the huge expanse of amarr lowsec in the lower left quadrant). Someone did a "middle of all eve" post back a few years ago and found out that it was 3 jumps from Jita, might have been before Drone regions were added though.
4) The reason you see a PL statue on the Osoggur gate has nothing to do with their recent deployment, which was basically a home coming. Way before Heretic and The United sat in Amamake Sniggerdly was there, camping the gate. It is very much the land of Pandemic Legion.
As for the real reasons for Amamake being the #1 on the all time kills list (best dev blog and related thread of all time) is a mix of some of the other points you threw together.
It's the low-sec entry on the shortest route autopilot route from Rens to Amarr & Dodixie, and cuts the travel time to both by over a half, hence many people braved the Osoggur gate, which gave rise to pirates. Since it was located within a cluster of interconnected systems and close to a market hub it provided good spawning grounds for warfare, and via agglomeration other combatants came to the system. Later CCP included it in the FW area and voila we have a system buzzing with activity. The other low-sec systems on Diagoras #10 list have similar backstories (Tama, Rancer, Egghelende, Old Man Star).
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.16 03:08:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Forums ate my post!
Have a cyno covert ops w/probe launcher preposition some combat probes around the area. Now bump the carrier off station while the BC pilot is busy with your bait drake/dual rep myrm, etc. Point the carrier. Watch for obligatory lol in local.
Now light cyno or have your gank fleet jump in. Station humping *** will forget all about 1v1 when he sees the cyno or local spike. But alas! He can't dock, warp, or jump his carrier anymore. He will either logoffski hoping you didn't bring enough dps (doesn't work anymore and he's dumb for not reading the patch notes), or he will stay and fight. Either way, you should win this one, unless he also has a cyno and a bigger fleet on standby.
man, thats a whole lot of :effort:
instead i could just not go into amamake and if i do ever find myself there, not try to fight lukka on the pator tech school undock. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.12.16 09:42:00 -
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The reasons people like Amamake are many and I won't list them as they've been covered already. That being said I know for sure if you come in and ask for a 1v1 a Heretic will likely take you up on it and the rest of us will not intervene.
Amamake is busy because it is well known as PvP zone and so fleets move through multiple times a day looking for a fight, so if you're looking to take them up on it Amamake is the place to be. For a while PL liked to send in supercaps to frig fights at top belt but that seems to have dried up now for the most part.
If you're interested in frigate 1v1s I can guarantee there will be some the first friday of the new year. First friday of every month is frigfry friday in Amamake. Heretic Army sets up a channel for the event where you can look for a 1v1 prior to even entering the system if you like. Bring something bigger if you like but for the purposes of the event's success you can look forward to being swarmed if you don't bring a frigate hull of some description. |
Alaric Faelen
Aquila Venatici
Bringers of Death.
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:20:00 -
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It's been said- It's on the road to Rens, the major trade hub for Min.
There are also a heap of mission agents in the Rens area that send you into low sec around there.
You get good piracy on people feeding the market or buying stuff off it. There are mission runners all over the place. You can D-Scan pretty much all of the system easily. There's a bunch of stations there to boot. It's the closest low sec to Minnie newb areas as well, so the chance for a gank is high.
It's also where the monthly Frig Fry can be found, which is usually a lot of fun. Being so close to a major hub means you can buy and outfit replacement ships in short order too.
It is a popular pirate hangout, so expect camps and constant d-scanning. Any belt ratter or miner is just bait. Anyone NOT trying to hide from you or shoot you is bait. It's a dangerous system, which makes it one of the most fun to visit. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
34
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Posted - 2011.12.18 23:14:00 -
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Zeerover wrote:Proof I have no life and must win at forums
One day, you will get a girlfriend, and then we will lose the beauty of forum kings like you telling everyone which system has the most stations. Because it matters.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:43:00 -
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Zondrail wrote: I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight. ....
CCP has appearantly never thought of people like us. All of low sec pvp is based on aimlessly wandering around for hours hoping to find a fight.
Null sec pvp is based on waiting around for hours for a blob to form so you can hopefully gank a few things that are hopelessly outnumbered.
FW plexing seems the only hope for people like us who want to sign in for a few hours and get decent number of good fights.
Here is a proposal that I think would appeal to you.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.12.19 08:57:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Zondrail wrote: I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight. .... CCP has appearantly never thought of people like us. All of low sec pvp is based on aimlessly wandering around for hours hoping to find a fight. Null sec pvp is based on waiting around for hours for a blob to form so you can hopefully gank a few things that are hopelessly outnumbered. FW plexing seems the only hope for people like us who want to sign in for a few hours and get decent number of good fights. Here is a proposal that I think would appeal to you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&
CCP does not say what you should do in EVE, it gives only possibilities to do something.
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Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
269
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Posted - 2011.12.19 09:16:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Cearain wrote:Zondrail wrote: I just don't have the time to fly around for an hour or two just hoping to run into a good fight. .... CCP has appearantly never thought of people like us. All of low sec pvp is based on aimlessly wandering around for hours hoping to find a fight. Null sec pvp is based on waiting around for hours for a blob to form so you can hopefully gank a few things that are hopelessly outnumbered. FW plexing seems the only hope for people like us who want to sign in for a few hours and get decent number of good fights. Here is a proposal that I think would appeal to you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815& CCP does not say what you should do in EVE, it gives only possibilities to do something.
That's actually too simplistic. CCP writes the rules and designs the incentive systems. While you're free to buck those incentives, people will generally play by the rules of the game.
To give an example from another genre, the Elder Scrolls series used to have 'Acrobatics' and 'Athletics' skills which you improve by jumping and running around, respectively. As a result, players bunny-hopped all over the place at full speed in order to max out those skills. The latest installment, Skyrim, no longer has those skills and thus players no longer felt the need to do such silly things. Unless they really wanted to.
In EVE, taking sovereignty and all the rewards that come with it is based on an alliance's capacity to anchor/destroy fixed structures with large amounts of HP. The reinforcement mechanic means these structures are only available during set times, allowing only a small window of opportunity to destroy them before the owning alliance can rep/refuel.
The resulting player behavior is that an attacking alliance must pile as many people into a system as possible during that window of opportunity to out-DPS the enemy and wipe out those structures. Thus, the mass 'blobs' people often complain about in nullsec are a direct result of game design decisions.
How CCP designs the incentives and rewards in low-sec will affect the nature of PvP in low-sec. This includes FW plexes. |
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