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Arczi Lazair
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.11.05 08:40:38 -
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Hello
Everyone knows that Supercapitals and Titans can be build only in Nullsec. They play a big role in PVP aspect in EVE, but they are useless in PVE at all (excluding few escalations). I would suggest to think about create anomaly for these ships in Nullsec. For example sites with many structures and NPCs in capital ships. I think that each ship should have a role in PVP and PVE. This could be a great opportunity to train or test these ships in combat before PVP actions.
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Nyalnara
The Unchained Club
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Posted - 2015.11.05 09:47:20 -
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I tend to think that NullSeccers already produce (a little bit) too much ISKs atm. But i agree about the fact that every ship should be useful for both PvE & PvP. So, i'm just going to wait for the sh*tstorm and choose a side later based on provided arguments.
In case of ponies, keep calm and start running.
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Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
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Posted - 2015.11.05 09:59:38 -
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These anomalies already exist. You find them under the ore category. Just don't forget to fit mining lasers onto your titan. Chribba should have some good fits for you... |
Arczi Lazair
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.11.05 10:04:32 -
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Lim Hiaret
But there is no mining fighters for Supers ;/ |
Lim Hiaret
Hiaret Family
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Posted - 2015.11.05 10:08:42 -
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Arczi Lazair
That should be fixed!
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Arczi Lazair
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.11.05 10:38:16 -
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I was thinking more about combat anomaly not mining site :) But mining fighters... why not. |
Anthar Thebess
1368
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Posted - 2015.11.05 10:56:46 -
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I agree on this , but there should be some limits.
Like only 1 super or 2 capitals can pass.
Spawns should be random , site should have HIC cruisers , and neuting batteries.
One bad judgment and you can easily loose your supers.
Yes only 1 or 2 capitals can pass , so you cannot get hotdrop or interference from others ( to persuade people to actually go inside).
Balance will be from randomness and unknown.
You need to use capital to get there , and survive every thing inside to get out.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Arczi Lazair
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.11.05 11:24:51 -
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Anthar Thebess
Great idea but if someone can easily loose his super, there should be high reward for done it. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:51:11 -
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This is an absurd idea. If you want to rat in your Capital or Supercapital, feel free to do so in the existing anomalies. It does not need to get any safer.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1899
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Posted - 2015.11.05 12:52:43 -
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Arczi Lazair wrote:Anthar Thebess
Great idea but if someone can easily loose his super, there should be high reward for done it.
The risk comes from other players. Deep 0.0 ISK-printing does not need to become easier or more lucrative.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Anthar Thebess
1370
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Posted - 2015.11.05 13:24:51 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:This is an absurd idea. If you want to rat in your Capital or Supercapital, feel free to do so in the existing anomalies. It does not need to get any safer.
Actually creating this kind of anomaly , balanced , without the possibility to bring more ships than planed , can be interesting change.
We cannot deny that capitals are something new to the game.
Many players have them, and many more want them.
Basically randomness should be main factor not other players.
It is not about PVP or lack of it , just that no one will endanger super or normal capital , if in the anomaly you have like 10 tacklers on each , random wave.
I also consider this not a stable anomaly in the system, but one that have random chance of appearing.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Arczi Lazair
CBC Interstellar
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.11.05 14:12:22 -
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This is only idea, to introduce something new to the game.
I was thinking about add Capital Spawns to existing anomalys in 0.0, something like in wormholes. Everyone will be happy. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.11.05 17:13:03 -
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Would you be OK with the capital flying NPCs having the ability to scram you super/titan? Not just for 20 seconds to kill the scrammer, I'm saying you're scrammed and commited for the 30 minutes it takes to get through this proposed high end pve?
If you just want a big risk free loot pinata the pack sand.
If you're willing to have your super committed to the field via the site scramming you for 20 minutes then sure. |
Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
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Posted - 2015.11.05 18:51:49 -
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The massive problem I see is the utter implosion of the Eve economy. The only time it would be worth doing these is if it's more isk than pilots with 100s of billions of isk could make otherwise. Lets say maybe 1.5 bil/hour using a supercarrier (sounds like a lot, but remember that's 16 hours open in an extremely hunted ship with horrible align times to make up for losing one).
If, lets say on average 40 supercarriers rat an hour, thats 1.44 trillion isk a day into the Eve economy. 100% isk faucet too, so everything becomes inflated in price. Missioning and incursions lose value as isk does, so it becomes harder for players without 10s of billions to make isk.
If it were worth doing in titans it'd be even worse. Probably would have to be something like 5 bil/hour to make up for the massive risk of losing a ship (20 hours to recoup a loss approx.). Just 10 titans ratting per hour at 5 bil/hour would be 1.2 trillion isk injected into Eve a day. |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
682
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Posted - 2015.11.05 19:45:52 -
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These are a terrible idea, unless certain cautions are actually taken.
Risk and reward have to be balanced. Anomalies are supposed to be dangerous as they are, but null is basically safer than Hisec by a good deal in practice. Groups with lots of super caps running these would be, unless the rats had a reasonable chance at actually killing the players, effectively immune to any real threats. People already complain about Incursions being too safe and not interdictable, these would be turbo incursions for the privileged few. Since it's impossible to actually seriously threaten super caps that aren't alone or travelling, or even normal caps in adequate numbers, there would really be no way to present risks to these ships doing these sites in the post-phoebe world - how are you supposed to actually punish and provide risk to the rewards? How are you supposed to drop a dread bomb on these when dreads and all capital movements are so slow now, and could never hope to project out to deep null?
Wormholes are a different beast entirely, any and all comparisons or justifications based on WH logic do not apply; re: local, cynos. I have no problem with WHs being lucrative, as there is actual risk there. Null is the safest place in the game by far.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM XI
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1905
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Posted - 2015.11.05 20:02:08 -
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Bobb Bobbington wrote:The massive problem I see is the utter implosion of the Eve economy. The only time it would be worth doing these is if it's more isk than pilots with 100s of billions of isk could make otherwise. Lets say maybe 1.5 bil/hour using a supercarrier (sounds like a lot, but remember that's 16 hours open in an extremely hunted ship with horrible align times to make up for losing one).
If, lets say on average 40 supercarriers rat an hour, thats 1.44 trillion isk a day into the Eve economy. 100% isk faucet too, so everything becomes inflated in price. Missioning and incursions lose value as isk does, so it becomes harder for players without 10s of billions to make isk.
If it were worth doing in titans it'd be even worse. Probably would have to be something like 5 bil/hour to make up for the massive risk of losing a ship (20 hours to recoup a loss approx.). Just 10 titans ratting per hour at 5 bil/hour would be 1.2 trillion isk injected into Eve a day.
This is all a very valid concern.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1905
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Posted - 2015.11.05 21:47:33 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:These are a terrible idea, unless certain cautions are actually taken.
Risk and reward have to be balanced. Anomalies are supposed to be dangerous as they are, but null is basically safer than Hisec by a good deal in practice. Groups with lots of super caps running these would be, unless the rats had a reasonable chance at actually killing the players, effectively immune to any real threats. People already complain about Incursions being too safe and not interdictable, these would be turbo incursions for the privileged few. Since it's impossible to actually seriously threaten super caps that aren't alone or travelling, or even normal caps in adequate numbers, there would really be no way to present risks to these ships doing these sites in the post-phoebe world - how are you supposed to actually punish and provide risk to the rewards? How are you supposed to drop a dread bomb on these when dreads and all capital movements are so slow now, and could never hope to project out to deep null?
Wormholes are a different beast entirely, any and all comparisons or justifications based on WH logic do not apply; re: local, cynos. I have no problem with WHs being lucrative, as there is actual risk there. Null is the safest place in the game by far.
Completely agree.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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