Well, well. Something interesting happened in this thread after all...

Not a bad idea actually.

The problem is not the bumping,
The problem is the Hsec suicide.
Why?

Because the security status mech is just a pathetic giant joke.

You are -10 in Hsec area?
You just don't give a ****.
You can dock and undock whith ship, battlecruiser or even battleship if you want. Concord is just too slow. Concord allow you to dock in station, concord is a joke.
Local police is better than a joke, cause they usually web you before pointing, helping you to warp away.

You can buy or sell thing, you can manage a POS in pod, ect when you are -10.

And bored to be -10? just go buy some tag !

And i don't speak about KILLRIGHT systeme, who is total joke too, you see more ppl whith killright for scam than real killright.


CCP should give a REAL SENSE to the security status.
Whith an avergarde security status to a whole corporation or alliance, whith docking/undocking restriction, ect.

(And also the ability to fit a damage control on freighter)


The problem is CCP poop in his pants abouts that kind of "fix" cause ccp like to say "we have evil pirate in our game"
CCP : this is not pirate ! free ganking DON'T GIVE content, this is not even PVP ! cause simply you CAN'T HAVE REVENGE !
Revenge is the first motivational for ppl to go PVP !

Don't come here to troll, you KNOW you are safe, juste have to use insta undock and warping from safe to safe. (and that what you do)

You are a ganker and you come here to just defend your buisness.
And don't say i have a revenge to take, ganker never killed me.

The fact is the security status is a total joke.
Ganker now just shoot empty ship for the glory of killmail, and the don't take ANY risk for that. To be organized and a lot whith alt don't give you the "right" to don't take risk.

Your team is out there actually pulling in laim and possibly game breaking concessions and you show up to take a dump on some guy trying to get tritanium to Jita. Laughable.

Sometimes pointing to a fire exit is the best you can do. If they run screaming the other way.... they'll be screaming for the rest of their lives.

I think CCP should just remove freighters and JF from the game for 2 months straight. Then give them back. That would probably calm a lot of this crap down a notch or 2.

Again, self defense should not result in Concord or sec status loss.

So... CCP agreed that the ganking of freighters was not balanced, and made changes.

If you cannot warp because someone is intentionally bumping you repeatedly so that they can form up a gank squad, then you are under attack, and arranging a counter attack against the bumping ship is self defense and should not result in penalties.

I never complained about freighters. However there is an obvious and legitimate complaint here. All your point about freighters being made worse by changes means is that our current devs were hired from the portion of the community that worships the more toxic gameplay and their changes were not in the best interest of the target audience. Or maybe they just messed up. Either way, they acknowledged a problem, put in changes to address that problem, and their ever so holy emergent gameplay has made the problem worse. That speaks to the need for a balance of the situation, not a need to just ignore it for the sake of a few mouth breathing baby eaters.

If bumping wasn't a thing the ganks would still occur. They would cost the same as they do now. The only real difference is that squad would need to be formed and readied when the ship came through, rather than being bumped for 10 minutes previous.

There is an issue with the intended style of gameplay in high sec being violated by people essentially tackling ships for extended periods of time while being protected by Concord.

Yet they are still tackling, and still protected by Concord.

For me I have no desire to be a pirate because it does not exist in EVE. You can never actual function as a pirate.

Regardless of how minor the penalty, self defense from unprovoked aggression should not result in penalties.

to get it away from the gate so it cant crash it? get it out of range of sentry guns? sorta like a murderer dragging a victim up a dark alley

You make it seem as if a pilot is doing something sinful if they autopilot at all.

By your logic the only way freighters should be allowed to move is if someone hooks up pedals to the PC and they have to use that to move around at all.

It's not like they are fast, interesting, or all that fun to fly. Moving stuff around is fun, and I can see popping them as fun... But restoring the balance on moving them around is a real concern for some.

A very interesting claim. My son has been in the PvP side of this game for more than 8 years now and the groups he has flown with have never used bumping as a tactic and it has not hindered their ability to kill others. I am not saying that it is not a valid tactic to use, just questioning what the impact on PvP other than ganking would be if bumping was removed?

It's pretty simple. Remove the POS. (No POS = No shield)

It's actually easier to target than a bumping mach



EDIT: POS removal is a valid counter to shield hugging capitals - most people are just too lazy to put in the effort. (this logic should seem familiar to several of you)

No broken record response, that's actually a coherant point.

It does not address the fact that ganks would actually be cheaper for being redirected to lo sec, residents of lo sec have begged for years for increased gameplay options to get people in their space, the fact that the gank could still happen exactly as it does in high sec by just having the ship stop, or the laughable idea that the other guys afk autopiloting their overloaded freighters will see and learn from someone else's mistake.

For the low, low price of having bumping altered to an intentional act that can generate a flag (thus affecting the status quo not at all) you get a tool that increases content for high sec ganks, lo sec gate campers, and a whole new dimension of value for the control of those gates generating conflict and giving 2 sets of PvP motivated pilots reasons to actually fight eachother for a change.

Because that's what's supposed to happen in high sec when you attack other people outside of having kill tights, wardec, or them committing a criminal act against you.