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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.11 00:25:08 -
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I've also noticed a significant decrease in DED 4 loot over about the last 20 sites. The majority have only yielded an overseer effect. Also, I would say the maximum loot payouts have gone from big to medium isk.
DED 5 & 6 I don't have a long enough history to know if there's been a change.
I also think I've seen a significant decrease in data and relic sites in high and low over the last six months to the point where I skip them as soon as I resolve the name of the sig. And I had a low threshold before as I was using the loot for industry.
RNG? Hopefully so. Because it would be short-sighted for CCP to hobble the reason people play the game.
I wouldn't mind if CCP made the drop % decrease with the number of sites run that day rather than decreasing the drop rate across the board. That way new and casual players would still see enough reward to play the game.
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violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.11.11 00:57:29 -
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Getting some great info guys and i appreciate it!
Im gonna go out tonight and try to find a few more ded sites. Last night i didnt even bother looking for deds and to be frank they havent been worth doing with the risk i take and what drops. One t3 loss atm would set me back 2 weeks of doing sites if i were to lose one. |
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.11.11 09:11:55 -
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Just finished another 8/10 and its been the worst. The shadow bs dropped ammo and tags only not even a 200k armor mod. The tower dropped just a box nothing else, not even a few meta mods lol.
So, my count is now up to as follows:
2, paramilitary complexes 7/10
14, prison camps 8/10
1, serp. fleet shipyard 10/10 |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1923
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Posted - 2015.11.11 14:19:10 -
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violtr wrote:Just finished another 8/10 and its been the worst. The shadow bs dropped ammo and tags only not even a 200k armor mod. The tower dropped just a box nothing else, not even a few meta mods lol.
So, my count is now up to as follows:
2, paramilitary complexes 7/10
14, prison camps 8/10
1, serp. fleet shipyard 10/10
Your sample size is still very small.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
52150
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Posted - 2015.11.11 14:31:38 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:
Your sample size is still very small.
It doesn't have to be a large amount, hence the reason it's called a sample.
After a while players can pretty much determine if drops have been reduced just by comparing it to the average amount gained in the past.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Endecroix
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
23
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Posted - 2015.11.11 14:35:25 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Maybe when you do them too often the loot tables adjust just for you?  (Talking off the cuff here.)
I've wondered more and more whether this is the case. I tend to play in fits and bursts. When I come back I note that I pretty much always get excellent drop rates for a few days. This then tails off.
To be fair CCP would be daft not to have such a mechanic in the game - it would increase retention of new players coming back into the game without really changing the overall influx of items into the game. |
Endecroix
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
23
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Posted - 2015.11.11 14:36:42 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:
Your sample size is still very small.
It doesn't have to be a large amount, hence the reason it's called a sample. After a while players can pretty much determine if drops have been reduced just by comparing it to the average amount gained in the past. DMC
As I've mentioned before in this thread I do keep track of everything and the decreased rates are statistically significant compared to recent times but not when compared to just over a year ago.
I find the idea that this is all down to randomness rather "quaint" as if CCP never balance loot tables like they constantly balance everything else. The suggestion though tends to be a rather lazy attempt at trolling the OPs thoughts though in most of these threads and a deflection from an actual discussion about when these changes actually may have come about. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
Void..
50
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Posted - 2015.11.11 22:52:36 -
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A larger sample size is useful because it does help to show that it isn't just RNG playing tricks with you. That said, it's not exactly easy to get a large sample size, so coming to the forums with the sample that you do have is usually the best way to expand on it by getting other peoples numbers and adding them to your own.
I've personally found that in Gurista space at least, 6/10's and 8/10's are dropping like normal. That said, I've found that the "normal" for 8/10's is approximately nothing. They almost never drop anything other than effects for me, no matter what. And judging from other peoples experience that I have talked to in my alliance, they tend to find the same thing.
It's definitely a possibility that the loot tables have been adjusted, I personally just tend to be on the skeptical side since it wasn't announced. Yeah CCP has a tendency to adjust things without telling anyone, but idk, guess we'll have to see if it continues  |
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.11.12 05:16:22 -
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Endecroix wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Maybe when you do them too often the loot tables adjust just for you? (Talking off the cuff here.) I've wondered more and more whether this is the case. I tend to play in fits and bursts. When I come back I note that I pretty much always get excellent drop rates for a few days. This then tails off. To be fair CCP would be daft not to have such a mechanic in the game - it would increase retention of new players coming back into the game without really changing the overall influx of items into the game.
I too have thought about this so the last 3-4 sites i had a different pilot looting the cans with no change!
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violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.11.14 02:11:55 -
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Well gents, I have not done anymore sites since i posted my last run. Just dont feel like doing them being that the loot is sooo horrid atm, so maybe when i get bored of playing some of these other games ill give it another shot. |
Endecroix
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
29
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Posted - 2015.11.14 10:58:24 -
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Yep, I'm giving it a few more days then I am not bothering anymore. And it's not just me though the prices are going through the roof for BPCs and that indicates to me that this is a deliberate action because the scarcity is obviously across the board and all producers are finding this from the ones I've spoken to.
I guess we all are having bad luck  |
Pelle Wittewoa
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.11.14 17:58:12 -
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My miss streak 17 angel 7-10's 1 mach bpc. Than again, aftrr that, i had in 3 10/10's 12b. Looong time agooo |
violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.11.17 18:14:19 -
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Well just knocked out two more deds another 7 and 8. I finally got a vindy bpc from the prison, first one ive gotten in about a month but i didnt start recording my streak up untill recently.
Funny thing too i actually got combat probed during this run and the pilot was very good at scanning me down. Local spiked one more and a sabre landed on the gate just as i was looting the can. Warped one char to the other side of system changed fit and and as soon as i cloaked tengu landed just outside 2k from me just as i was about to warp off. It was a very close call on that toon. I let the toon with the vindy sit in the site for just a min becuase i knew he was safe atm.
I miss judged how good of a scanner he was so i had no time to deploy my mobile in time before he would scann me down 100% so i ended up having to warp all over dropping bookmarks and deleting them after i use them till my timer was gone so i could safe log. My luck tho i get a vindy and was about to die with it in my cargohold. Only thing good from the 7 was the box period. The 8 only dropped the vindy and box. The shadow bs dropped 1.4m worth of crap. Up dated my streak.
3, paramilitary complexes 7/10
15, prison camps 8/10
1, serp. fleet shipyard
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Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
116
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:19:09 -
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Not Serpentis.. but I ran three DED 4/10 Blood Raider sites and got a combined 14.5m from them.  Had all three in my journal at the same time too ofc.
@lunettelulu7
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violtr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.11.17 23:50:16 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Not Serpentis.. but I ran three DED 4/10 Blood Raider sites and got a combined 14.5m from them. Had all three in my journal at the same time too ofc.
Before what was ur avg on isk?
I was easily making around 500-1b a night with 2 people normally but not as of late! Payouts have been around 200m or under for a night If it keeps up im done with doing deds ill do other things that will pay off better or start letting my alts run out of game time! |
Lulu Lunette
Blue Aurochs
United Systems of Aridia
116
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Posted - 2015.11.18 05:54:57 -
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violtr wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Not Serpentis.. but I ran three DED 4/10 Blood Raider sites and got a combined 14.5m from them. Had all three in my journal at the same time too ofc. Before what was ur avg on isk? I was easily making around 500-1b a night with 2 people normally but not as of late! Payouts have been around 200m or under for a night If it keeps up im done with doing deds ill do other things that will pay off better or start letting my alts run out of game time!
Oh wow well I wasn't pulling down that kind of money. Seemed always so streaky, would get lucky here or there with a Daredevil BPC or something.. I'd guess you could bet 30-40m a site .. last few I've done were just the Overseer's Effects. In my experience so far, I've found the Serpentis ones to be the .. most reliable. (feel like I'm letting my trade secrets out) 
The first Blood Raider DED4 I ever pulled I ran with a friend and we had some crazy drop .. was like 70m in modules and an Ashimuu BPC. So I've always left a JC + Gila in Aridia but it's never been like that since.
I guess it's hard for me to really put a ISK/day number on it.
@lunettelulu7
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
569
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Posted - 2015.11.18 08:15:40 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:I guess it's hard for me to really put a ISK/day number on it.
Welcome to exploration?
If you ever start thinking about exploration in terms of isk/h you're in the wrong career. (not you specifically Lulu, applies to anyone  )
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier
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