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Zacheria Malfor Gallente FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Jiekon Not entirely true, the sherrif and his men don't take part in the aprehension. it's the local people throwing stones. or in eve terms: Concord stays out of it. the sentry guns owned by the "local faction" decide to shoot you for aiding a criminal. If that is the case surely standings should play a bigger part for example if you were to have faction standings past a certain level maybe the authorities would turn a blind eye? (for example bounty hunters live in a sort of grey zone at times in real life.) Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
Zacheria Malfor Gallente FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Djerin I don't get the complaining. Outlaws are not gonna hunt anything in hisec anyways, because they are gonna get shot there. So the whole thing only applies to lowsec (0.1 - 0.4). Now some people are whining for getting flagged. Dudes, you're going there on purpose, because you know your mate is an outlaw and therefor can't go to hisec. So infact you are taking part in avoiding police forces and aiding a criminal. Why don't you see the consequences? And by the way: you could easily go to 0.0 anytimes. No flagging here... Please take the time to re-read the thread and think before posting. The argument is over outlaws assisting each other by using logistical items such as remote armor reps without getting flagged as long as the person they are repairing is not flagged. By your logic anyone with -5 sec or lower wanting to use remote reps or similar modules to assist each other against war targets should move into 0.0 which sort of defeats the entire point of initiating the war in the first place. Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
Damien Smith Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:36:00 - [33] Edited by: Damien Smith on 09/01/2007 12:34:09 Originally by: Jiekon Not entirely true, the sherrif and his men don't take part in the aprehension. it's the local people throwing stones. or in eve terms: Concord stays out of it. the sentry guns owned by the "local faction" decide to shoot you for aiding a criminal. Who is talking about Concord? Concord stay out of it because it's low sec. What this all boils down to is the fact that any assister gets nuked by sentries (it's hardly the 'local faction' if every single sentry in the game opens fire on sight) while the unflagged outlaw can just wander off without a scratch on him. That's the part that makes no sense. How can someone be punished for aiding a criminal if that criminal can then just laugh at the assistee getting blown up and fly away without a scratch on him? Are we really supposed to believe that these sentry guns watch everyone going past and say "That one's an outlaw, but hold fire because he's not flagged" "That's one's an outlaw too, but hold fire, he's not flagged either" "Quick! That neutral guy just repaired an outlaw! Waste him!" Boom "Good work, he's down" "Ok, looking for new targets... Nope, they're all unflagged, hold your fire" I mean wtf? ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg

Jiekon	Posted - 2007.01.09 14:45:00 - [34] Anyways, the powers that be decided this is how it's gonna be. Time for me to leave this thread, o/. ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting Guides for new Revelations Features ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

Daykin Naib Minmatar FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Jiekon Not entirely true, the sherrif and his men don't take part in the aprehension. it's the local people throwing stones. or in eve terms: Concord stays out of it. the sentry guns owned by the "local faction" decide to shoot you for aiding a criminal. Well wouldnt the sentries be considered put there by the local authority as I doubt a whole solar system wouldnt have any kind of authority controlling things ergo just like the sheriff of nottingham would have been in nottingham ? And if not, why does the 'local people' want any involvement in an issue they aint part of as we aint engaging any of their assets. What we are doing is aiding a corp mate in a war that concord have approved of. And then we can discuss the whole standing issue what if the guy the aiding even have a high positive standing towards the local faction why doesnt they just say; uhh we love that guy, he has done alot of excellent work for us. Instead of damn that guy who has been extremely loyal to us is aiding his outlaw corp mate in a situation absolutely none of our business, lets wtf kill him! but dont harm the outlaw friend. What I meant with this kind of logic the second outlaws undock they should have sentries on them. Tbh the whole flagging system needs to be looked into as it has become outdated in many ways and this is one.
Daykin Naib Minmatar FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Jiekon Anyways, the powers that be decided this is how it's gonna be. Time for me to leave this thread, o/. Well a good thing we tried to argue for a better system, looks like it really does make a difference.....
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Daykin Naib Originally by: Jiekon Anyways, the powers that be decided this is how it's gonna be. Time for me to leave this thread, o/. Well a good thing we tried to argue for a better system, looks like it really does make a difference..... Logical arguments are wasted when talking to CCP or a representative. Bringing out valid points and criticism is mostly ignored. Whine about something bad happening to you repeatedly (getting ganked by pirates, scammed on escrow,.. ), even if you were the one making the mistake and, even after some time, you will be heard and the game changed according to your desires. That is how things work.
Vistilantus Caldari Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:46:00 - [38] Originally by: Dezzereth Originally by: Daykin Naib Originally by: Jiekon Anyways, the powers that be decided this is how it's gonna be. Time for me to leave this thread, o/. Well a good thing we tried to argue for a better system, looks like it really does make a difference..... Logical arguments are wasted when talking to CCP or a representative. Bringing out valid points and criticism is mostly ignored. Whine about something bad happening to you repeatedly (getting ganked by pirates, scammed on escrow,.. ), even if you were the one making the mistake and, even after some time, you will be heard and the game changed according to your desires. That is how things work. Example of a Logical Argument here (likely to get looked at and considered by CCP) Example of whine : most posts in this thread. Construct your argument logically like in the post above, examine both sides, show why your view is better than the current system (without whining) and maybe, just maybe, someone will take it seriously. ___________________________________________________ ~Vistilantus
Daykin Naib Minmatar FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Vistilantus Example of a Logical Argument here (likely to get looked at and considered by CCP) Example of whine : most posts in this thread. Construct your argument logically like in the post above, examine both sides, show why your view is better than the current system (without whining) and maybe, just maybe, someone will take it seriously. The majority of the posts in this thread have been valid posts in relate to the topic at hand. So instead of just throwing something out in the air and calling it whines, maybe you should actually read what have been said and then argue why you think they are whines. Otherwise well I think you should leave the same way you came in.
Vistilantus Caldari Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:18:00 - [40] Ok. No point having a discussion with someone who can't take constructive critisiscm. buh bye. ___________________________________________________ ~Vistilantus
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Vistilantus Example of a Logical Argument here (likely to get looked at and considered by CCP) Example of whine : most posts in this thread. Construct your argument logically like in the post above, examine both sides, show why your view is better than the current system (without whining) and maybe, just maybe, someone will take it seriously. Did you even take the time to read the thread? Your so called "whines"? I guess not. Fact1: Sentries shoot people who shoot other players (usually non-corp members) at a gate (or station), which they have no war with. Fact2: Outlaws may be shot freely by players. Fact3: An Outlaw is NOT shot at by sentries, if he doesn't act like mentioned in Fact1. Fact4 (Here it gets interesting, so take care): Somebody who assists an Oulaw is shot by Sentries, but the Outlaw is NOT shot (assuming he didn't break Fact1), even if the Outlaw and the assisting character are in the same corp and have a valid war with the target of the outlaw and assisting character. I really hope that you figured out by now where the logical error is, and that there is no whine in this thread, but simply a statement that the current aggression system, especially in regard of assisting outlaws, is completely inconsistent. I will summarize again for you and all the people who don't bother to read the facts in this thread: You cannot help your corpmate, who is an outlaw, in a legal war with gangsupport modules, because sentries will shoot you, (but not him) Logical to you? Well, not to me and the people pointing this flaw out. So my statement about CCP stands as it is.
Jak'ai Minmatar The Temple of Ash Ock	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:43:00 - [42] Sometimes I just don't know what's up with these forums. Jekion came in here to try and explain why a mechanic is the way it is. He's not a senior Dev, he can't make any changes to the system, he's just trying to explain the reasoning behind the system. All he gets is flamed. Fantastic - excellent way to ensure that Devs stop coming here on a daily basis. Maybe he even agrees with those that want it changed. Maybe he hates it with a burning passion. He's still a company guy and can't simply come here and say "Yeah it sucks, man I don't know what Oveur was smoking when he approved that mess". So he tried to give you the reasoning. This place is becoming more and more like the SOE boards every day and is a damn shame TBH. As screwed up as SWG was, the climate on the forums contributed to the messed up relationship too. Not saying it wouldn't have nosedived anyway - but at least it might have been a smoother landing. As is the signal to noise here is getting just as high. Damn shame.
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Jak'ai Sometimes I just don't know what's up with these forums. Jekion came in here to try and explain why a mechanic is the way it is. He's not a senior Dev, he can't make any changes to the system, he's just trying to explain the reasoning behind the system. All he gets is flamed. Fantastic - excellent way to ensure that Devs stop coming here on a daily basis. Maybe he even agrees with those that want it changed. Maybe he hates it with a burning passion. He's still a company guy and can't simply come here and say "Yeah it sucks, man I don't know what Oveur was smoking when he approved that mess". So he tried to give you the reasoning. This place is becoming more and more like the SOE boards every day and is a damn shame TBH. As screwed up as SWG was, the climate on the forums contributed to the messed up relationship too. Not saying it wouldn't have nosedived anyway - but at least it might have been a smoother landing. As is the signal to noise here is getting just as high. Damn shame. Please point me to the post that flamed jiekon. Please. But before you do: Don't confuse an exchange of arguments with flaming. Just because somebody is of an other opinion than Jiekon (or nay other person), and tries to argue with him, he isn't flaming Jiekon (or any other person). Flaming is senseless stupidity incarnate, with only one purpose - to offend. Sorry, but I simply don't see it in this thread.
Damien Smith Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Jak'ai Jekion came in here to try and explain why a mechanic is the way it is. He's not a senior Dev, he can't make any changes to the system, he's just trying to explain the reasoning behind the system. All he gets is flamed. No one's flaming him or the other devs, (well, apart from the one guy slating CCP but there's always one...) what we were having is a heated debate. Nothing wrong with that is there? I'm sure Jiekon can handle a bit of a debate without throwing his toys out of the pram. It's just a shame that some of the people in the discussion have to let the side down. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:20:00 - [45] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/01/2007 18:18:13 Originally by: Jak'ai Sometimes I just don't know what's up with these forums. Jekion came in here to try and explain why a mechanic is the way it is. He's not a senior Dev, he can't make any changes to the system, he's just trying to explain the reasoning behind the system. All he gets is flamed. Fantastic - excellent way to ensure that Devs stop coming here on a daily basis. Maybe he even agrees with those that want it changed. Maybe he hates it with a burning passion. He's still a company guy and can't simply come here and say "Yeah it sucks, man I don't know what Oveur was smoking when he approved that mess". So he tried to give you the reasoning. This place is becoming more and more like the SOE boards every day and is a damn shame TBH. As screwed up as SWG was, the climate on the forums contributed to the messed up relationship too. Not saying it wouldn't have nosedived anyway - but at least it might have been a smoother landing. As is the signal to noise here is getting just as high. Damn shame. I wish I could put all of this in my sig. And it goes for the entire forum tbh. Please cut the devs some slack. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Allakhazam
Daykin Naib Minmatar FightClub TQ	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Vistilantus Ok. No point having a discussion with someone who can't take constructive critisiscm. buh bye. Ehh constructive critisiscm, you just called us all whiners nothing else. Yes very constructive...... And nobody was flaming Jiekon at all, we were just trying to have a discussion about part of the flagging system nothing else until he said that is just how it is and it aint gonna be differently. Bye.... I understand he might not have much so called influence within ccp but that was kinda an irritating way how he chose to leave this debate. Guess it cant be any differnt but i dont think anybody flamed him at any point at all. Just sad to see the whole discussion we were having derailed completely. Too bad really..
Djerin Obsidian Exploration Services The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.01.09 22:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Zacheria Malfor The argument is over outlaws assisting each other by using logistical items such as remote armor reps without getting flagged as long as the person they are repairing is not flagged. No it's not. By the way this sentence of yours doesn't make any sence. Outlaws repping each others in lowsec are infact getting flagged. According to what i read here some people are complaining about getting flagged because of repping an outlaw. Imho this is nothing but a whine and i stated earlier why i'm thinking this way.
The Socialworker Minmatar The Socialworkers	Posted - 2007.01.10 17:40:00 - [48] Stating the same opinion over and over is not debating or argueing it is whining.
Kay Brack Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:10:00 - [49] It would be interesting if CCP decided you were all correct and changed the system to include -5 players in empire sentry fire. Issue pushed equals 2 ways of fixing. 1) Make sentrys not fire on person assisting a criminal. Nightmare to code need to define legitimate and non-legitamate acts and create different flags. 2) Have sentries fire on anyone with sec -5 or less. Easy fix just add -5 players to list of aggression targets for sentries.

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