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Comboduck
TURN LEFT
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:03:00 -
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It's been annoying forever now. A fair few from my corporation have petitioned it long ago and I've encouraged people we fight to do this also, but there has been no change.
Sometimes when a gang jumps into another gang, the overview stops refreshing for some of the pilots. (seems to be a high percentage but I can't give any numbers). I mostly have experience with it happening to the party that jumps the gate and uncloaks, but it seems that the people who have already loaded the grid has the problem as well.
Thus - Ranged does not update, ewar effects does not show up on overview etc.
It's easily fixed by switching overview tabs, but by the time you have figured out that your overview is ****** then you might be ****** as well.
Please ccp, fix this. Every nano pilot in eve is probably aware of this issue, so give this thread some love so that ccp understands that it needs fixing. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:07:00 -
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Can I double check that it's not just freezing because you're holding down Ctrl waiting to lock someone? (Which does freeze the overview and is by design)
CCP Goliath | Engineering Team Lead |
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SerratedX
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric
The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:07:00 -
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This is seriously annoying, please fix this ****.
CCP Goliath wrote:Can I double check that it's not just freezing because you're holding down Ctrl waiting to lock someone? (Which does freeze the overview and is by design)
Yes. Sometimes the overview freezes when im NOT holding down control. |
Comboduck
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:12:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Can I double check that it's not just freezing because you're holding down Ctrl waiting to lock someone? (Which does freeze the overview and is by design)
No, it's not. It happens even when I right click and lock people from the watchlist, and not use ctrl at all.
And if there is a function that does that, it seems to be using the wrong hot key anyway.
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CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:13:00 -
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Thanks, we will look into it.
CCP Goliath | Engineering Team Lead |
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Sinnek
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:16:00 -
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biggest problem is when the overview doesn't update ranges in big fleet fights.
frantically trying to lock someone who's apparently at 14km, no wait, he's at 90. that's why...
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Comboduck
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:18:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Thanks, we will look into it.
Something I forgot to add, is that sometimes it seems that velocity/transversal velocity continues updating as it should while the ranges and ewar effects remain unupdated. I have a pretty decent showcase of this in fraps I could send to you if you need a visual example of the issue.
And thanks for the fast response. |
Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:27:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Thanks, we will look into it.
Hi,
I don't want to be a ass but:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476279#post476279
Someone posted that Bug in the Crucible 1.0.1 Issue Thread (#61 Posted: 2011.12.06 18:19) and now you are starting to look into it????
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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:45:00 -
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Maybe you should also look into not updating every row by itself,
but instead the whole overview at once ...
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Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:48:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Can I double check that it's not just freezing because you're holding down Ctrl waiting to lock someone? (Which does freeze the overview and is by design)
Yeah I also don't want to sound mean.
But how in hell can you miss this? On the first roam we did after the patch, the overviews kept not updating for literally everyone in the fleets I've been in (~10 people), up until today.
And those were just the people in my corp. |
Comboduck
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:53:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Can I double check that it's not just freezing because you're holding down Ctrl waiting to lock someone? (Which does freeze the overview and is by design) Yeah I also don't want to sound mean. But how in hell can you miss this? On the first roam we did after the patch, the overviews kept not updating for literally everyone in the fleets I've been in (~10 people), up until today. And those were just the people in my corp.
I am not talking about a post patch issue. This has existed since long before crucible. |
Dalikah
TURN LEFT
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:05:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Can I double check that it's not just freezing because you're holding down Ctrl waiting to lock someone? (Which does freeze the overview and is by design) Yeah I also don't want to sound mean. But how in hell can you miss this? On the first roam we did after the patch, the overviews kept not updating for literally everyone in the fleets I've been in (~10 people), up until today. And those were just the people in my corp.
It-¦s not even been the Crucible patch, most of us are experiencing this glitch for months already with different intensity, but it seems to become worse and more frequent patch after patch. For some, only a few pilots on overview freeze, for some switching overview tab (or [for some again] just clicking the same one) sustainably fixes it for the existing grid, sometimes it just keeps freezing after a few seconds again.
This does not only happen in large and thus laggy fights, but in every scale. I actually experienced it in an empty system with npc-¦s on a gate, too.
My own corp and many other people petitioned this problem (inclduing fraps) several times and months ago already, this really needs to be fixed asap. |
Tajidan
TURN LEFT
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:06:00 -
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this is something i really can not understand. how this bug that affects the single most important window in eve can be overlooked?
i had multiple nasty encounters with freezing overview, yesterday it took the cake though. Once the bug showed up the only sure way to reset it was to dock/undock to a point where i had to relog because even docking did not affect it.
A quick workaround was to minimize/open the overview and usually it worked, but this time all it did was update it with the new numbers just to get stuck again. |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:08:00 -
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We are investigating this issue indeed since last week and a potential fix was done today (no idea yet, when it will reach Sisi or TQ).
BUT: I am a bit concerned, that these issues might be caused by more than one bug - and we were not able to reproduce any of the issues. It would be awesome if you could send bugreports with detailed information about this.
If possible include following info:
* Are all items on the overview not updating or only some?
* What values are not updating? Distance? Velocity?
* Are the overview items being removed correctly, for example when warping away (except stations, ...)?
* Log-files from logserver would be very helpful
Comboduck wrote:
I am not talking about a post patch issue. This has existed since long before crucible.
It seems like there are indeed several issues around, old and new ones. Please send bugreports for all of them!
CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance
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Faridi Dem
Brothers of Destiny
Phobia.
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:26:00 -
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i approve, this is important! |
Neo Agricola
BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:29:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:We are investigating this issue indeed since last week and a potential fix was made today (no idea yet, when it will reach Sisi or TQ).
Thx for that information.
CCP Habakuk wrote:
BUT: I am a bit concerned, that these issues might be caused by more than one bug - and we were not able to reproduce any of the issues. It would be awesome if you could send bugreports with detailed information about this.
If possible include following info:
Next time I'll run into that "feature" I'll start the logserver and create a Bugreport.
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fire elf
Solar Storm
The Forsaken.
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:30:00 -
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Mhm This Bug has been around for abit, I have TRIED to replicate it without luck ... It seems only will work when you dont want to happend, last accourance of this bug for me was yesterday while fighting on a POS, and enemys kept warping back and forth... and then after we had bounced couple of times the Overview started to act up.
Tornados was said to be at 20km was actually at 64km and interceptor was said to be 35 km away from was actually ontop of me and using scrambler (Scrambler didnt show up either) Only thing that I have found to fix this is to close the overview or get out of the system. |
Daemon Lucifus
TURN LEFT
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:54:00 -
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I have noticed it happens when jumping through gates mostly its something to do with coming out of cloak. And no spamming tab in a fleet fight isn't fun at all please fix this |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:18:00 -
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situation: i was at 70km from a gate in some 0sec system, with a drake on it. a fleet warped on top of my so i started to burn out. a dominix was at 14km from me on the overview, when i tried to point it it turned out to be over 90km away from me. it had warped to the gate while i was burning away from it
CCP Habakuk wrote:
* Are all items on the overview not updating or only some?
in this case only 1 dominix. all other ships, wrecks, corpses and stargate were fine
CCP Habakuk wrote:
* What values are not updating? Distance? Velocity?
only distance that i noticed. i was slightly busy though
CCP Habakuk wrote:
* Are the overview items being removed correctly, for example when warping away (except stations, ...)?
yes, also switching overview tabs to one that didnt have any ships and then back fixed it
CCP Habakuk wrote:* Log-files from logserver would be very helpful!
cant help you there
CCP Habakuk wrote:
* Do you have any ideas, when this issue starts to happen? Jumping into another system? Warping to any objects? Having any special objects in the overview?
the issue happened when some ships warped in, i was just floaty in space. it was a bit hectic though |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:24:00 -
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I'll add another serious bug to this thread that's almost certainly related: ewar icons sometimes don't show up on the overview. For example, I'll wonder why my MWD won't work because the overview says my opponent doesn't have a scram on me. Well, it turns out he does have a scram on me, which eventually does show up on the overview....about 30 seconds late.
I've also experienced the rest of the overview not updating, even in empty systems. If I warp to another gate, the overview still indicates that I'm next to the original gate.
These are both very serious bugs and I've heard many of my corp mates complain about them as well. I'll try to capture some debug info next time they happen to me. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:25:00 -
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The symptom I've noticed most frequently is a data row on the overview getting stuck and never being removed.
This is from memory, but when traveling long distances, occasionally a ship will get stuck on overview and never disappear, even after multiple jumps the ship will continue to appear on the overview until I use a different tab to refresh it.
I have seen this while traveling probably a couple dozen times, and yes, once after crucible's release.
I have also seen the issue of certain overview rows ceasing to update in large fleet fights. The entire row stops updating properly iirc - range, velocity, even flashy-redbox aggression got stuck and continued to display after the fight. I recall asking the (friendly logi) pilot to kindly stop aggressing me after the fight and he had no idea what I was talking about and wasn't even targeting anyone and had no drones out. I changed overview tabs and it cleared up.
This last example had happened months ago, but I recall those details pretty clearly.
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Eshnala
TURN LEFT
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:29:00 -
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Having the same issues aswell, cant say anthing additionaly to what already been said, but its definetly there for a while (like pre incarna i think) |
Rixiu
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:44:00 -
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From what I've seen there are a few different problems with the overview.
First: This one is old but sometimes ships that are warping off or docking are still on the overview but "greyed out", clicking the tab will generally remove them. Related is when I warp from a gate with other ships on it those ships will stay on the overview when I warp off with huge distance values. This bug has come in different flavours over some time and I've seen some patch notes that were supposed to fix this but it's still present even if not so much of a problem nowdays.
Second: The big one and most recent. The overview isn't refreshing and if it do the values are not reliable, may also be related to some d-sync issues. On one occasion our gang jump into a hostile gang, we burn away towards the sun out towards 50-60k and then all of a sudden everyone realize that the overview doesn't work properly, clicking on the tab may refresh it but I can't tell if it's reliable. But I can tell that it affected most of our gang so it's not something that affects most people on grid. |
Altaieere
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:15:00 -
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I too have faced the same problems mentioned by many here, especially the ewar not showing on u (guy has u scrammed) or showing late
-Alta |
ChildofDestruction
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:41:00 -
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I have the same problem and create a petition on this case;
The distances on overview are not being updates; during warp, during engagements under sub-light speed. It sometime recovers after dock and undock but create same problem after first gate. If you minimize and maximize the overview or switch to another overview tab, distances updated with that moments snap shot but stays frozen further more.
Its is extremely annoying and preventing you to play by removing one of the most important piece of flight information. This issue needs to be urgently addressed .
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
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Posted - 2011.12.12 15:56:00 -
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Updates cause server load and are being optimised away. Your combat timers don't update either anymore, until you mouse hover over them. Twice.
Think of it this way, every cpu they take off you, they can give to a hisec incursion runner.
And now you feel better already. See. Everybody wins. |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:15:00 -
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The F12 bug reporting feature is live on TQ it auto builds a log report as well as allows you to take picures. only problem is it freezes the client for like 30 seconds something that is bad for those that are in a active fight. |
Comboduck
TURN LEFT
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Posted - 2011.12.13 09:01:00 -
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Salpun wrote:The F12 bug reporting feature is live on TQ it auto builds a log report as well as allows you to take picures. only problem is it freezes the client for like 30 seconds something that is bad for those that are in a active fight.
yeah, this is a problem |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 09:18:00 -
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Just adding my support to fixing this issue - I'll file a detailed bug report sometime but also frequently certain targest on the overview will fail to update, or they won't even appear when they're warping in. Ships showing at 30k on the overview when they're at 10k, for example. Tabbing always fixes the issue but you often don't notice until it's too late. |
Raneru
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2011.12.13 09:30:00 -
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I've had this before, its as if the overview freeze state randomly sticks after you've been ctrl-locking targets for a while. Once you've noticed however, you can fix the overview by rolling the overview up and down again by double clicking its title bar. |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:35:00 -
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Well, nothing about this in the patch notes for tomorrow. Hopefully there will be a hotfix soon, though, since this is pretty game-breaking. |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:12:00 -
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The fix, which I mentioned earlier, is now on Singularity. Feel free to test it out! We are hoping, that this fixes the case, where the whole overview stops updating (mostly the distance and velocity values).
It seems like there is a different (older) bug for single overview-items not being updated. I don't think that this one is fixed and we still need more information about it.
CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance
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ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:55:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:The fix, which I mentioned earlier, is now on Singularity. Feel free to test it out! We are hoping, that this fixes the case, where the whole overview stops updating (mostly the distance and velocity values).
It seems like there is a different (older) bug for single overview-items not being updated. I don't think that this one is fixed and we still need more information about it.
Very cool, thanks. I'll keep my eyes open for the various other permutations of this bug in the future. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:00:00 -
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This thing has been happening for a very very very long time... simply clicking on the overview tab fixes it, many of us just "dealt" with it, assuming CCP actually played their own game to realize even these small bugs that happen randomly, and eventually fix it
It's basicly impossibly to reproduce because it happens to randomly, but the chance of it happening is higher when 2 fleets clash into eachother at the same time in my experience, either my one jumping into the other, or warping into them :) the more people on both sides, the more likely someone will get the problem |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:33:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:This thing has been happening for a very very very long time... simply clicking on the overview tab fixes it, many of us just "dealt" with it, assuming CCP actually played their own game to realize even these small bugs that happen randomly, and eventually fix it
It's basicly impossibly to reproduce because it happens to randomly, but the chance of it happening is higher when 2 fleets clash into eachother at the same time in my experience, either my one jumping into the other, or warping into them :) the more people on both sides, the more likely someone will get the problem
SOME of these bugs have been happening for a very very very long time. And yes, we could live with them because they were infrequent, minor, and we could work around them. But now there are newer bugs that are much worse.
For example, one of the new bugs does NOT get fixed by clicking on the overview tab. All resetting the tab does is give you a more updated overview that is still frozen.
Also, anecdotally, the number of incidents has skyrocketed recently. I experience these bugs at least once per gaming session now, and hear others complain about them about as often.
Finally, the triggers for these bugs seem to be getting less complicated. It's now very common to get overview bugs during tiny skirmishes, or even in empty systems. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:03:00 -
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I've been having a similar bug where the actual brackets on ships were not updated, I had ships red boxing me from 400km on grid in a wormhole system that more than halves locking range.... |
Comboduck
TURN LEFT
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Posted - 2011.12.15 09:37:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvo_hWJcnUk&feature=plcp&context=C2d2abUDOEgsToPDskL0i_lPhjqyEyMjFMe01LY7
I just noticed Kil2 made this vid. Overview bug x2 in 9 minutes \o/ |
Thomas Abernathy
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.12.15 17:19:00 -
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This used to happen all the time on my slowest computer. I assumed it was simply a graphical glitch and didn't use that computer for anything important. Now since Incarna it appears on a much faster computer. Ghost ships will stay on the overview after warping off and new ships landing would not show up on the overview at all.
You have to force the overview to manually update by clicking on the tab, then reordering the overview.
You have introduced so many new bugs into the patch, how do you expect to ever catch up? Cargohold not updating properly, pos's shooting blues, dogs and cats living together!
I demand a sacrifice to the pillsbury doughboy.....
On a Serious note though, WTF? If CCP can't fix the current bugs without adding a whole new set of fresh ones, is there really any point in these daily "Patches"? 
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD
Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2011.12.17 19:44:00 -
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only 2 pages but got a response ,strange there is an 70+ page thread ,where some reply is asked ,but getting any |
Faridi Dem
Brothers of Destiny
Phobia.
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Posted - 2011.12.22 17:44:00 -
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bug is still there....during a fight a cane was 15km of my ship and suddenly 90km also same fight, overview showed no ewar active but wasnt able to warp...just before i died overview upadted and showed pointed by 5 people \o/ FIX IT NOW! THX.... |
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