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Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 22:46:00 - [331] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Sorry to interrupt your arguing but any word on what's going to happen to Calico? You know, the private LV sponsored ISS-managed outpost in C3-something in a nice set of deadend systems in Western Tenerifis. If someone thinks those are a good idea to attack, they'll have to deal with LV. Those stations belong to LV. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Epislona Minmatar The Science of War	Posted - 2007.01.10 23:33:00 - [332] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Ather Ialeas Sorry to interrupt your arguing but any word on what's going to happen to Calico? You know, the private LV sponsored ISS-managed outpost in C3-something in a nice set of deadend systems in Western Tenerifis. If someone thinks those are a good idea to attack, they'll have to deal with LV. Those stations belong to LV. And people wonder why ISS's apolitical stance has been rejected by the other alliances. ISS was "getting in bed" with LV. Then, ISS gets attacked and who shows up... magically LV appears. Somewhere on these forums someone said "they just showed up for the fight" but you really don't think that if you had said "we want to fight this one ourselves" That they wouldn't back off? The NEW ISS IPO
Jean Moulin	Posted - 2007.01.10 23:46:00 - [333] Originally by: Epislona Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Ather Ialeas ...wouldn't back off? I have a reply :) :) :)
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:08:00 - [334] Edited by: Crozon on 11/01/2007 00:06:04 Originally by: Epislona And people wonder why ISS's apolitical stance has been rejected by the other alliances. ISS was "getting in bed" with LV. Then, ISS gets attacked and who shows up... magically LV appears. Somewhere on these forums someone said "they just showed up for the fight" but you really don't think that if you had said "we want to fight this one ourselves" That they wouldn't back off? Tbh, honest on it's own the LV-ISS deal could be seen as bias on ISS's part, however, one very important point, you've missed out on is the fact that ISS would have been open to similar arrangement with other alliances, even alliances hostile to LV ISS has never dismissed off-hand doing business with any party; it's just a shame that more alliances didn't start a private outpost business with ISS; if that had happened, there would have been a lot more people showing up apart from LV. Oh, and why would ISS want to fight a battle on their own? They are an industrial alliance and were not designed for large-scale conflict. I'm sure it was a case of "the more the merrier" from ISS's viewpoint.
Epislona Minmatar The Science of War	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:43:00 - [335] Originally by: Crozon Edited by: Crozon on 11/01/2007 00:06:04 Tbh, honest on it's own the LV-ISS deal could be seen as bias on ISS's part, however, one very important point, you've missed out on is the fact that ISS would have been open to similar arrangement with other alliances, even alliances hostile to LV ISS has never dismissed off-hand doing business with any party; it's just a shame that more alliances didn't start a private outpost business with ISS; if that had happened, there would have been a lot more people showing up apart from LV. Oh, and why would ISS want to fight a battle on their own? They are an industrial alliance and were not designed for large-scale conflict. I'm sure it was a case of "the more the merrier" from ISS's viewpoint. I understand that they would have been open to a simliar arrangment with other alliances... the problem is that they shouldn't have gone into business with another alliance if they wanted to be "neutral" or "apolitical" or whatever word their charter says these days. My understanding of the agreement for the LV/ISS stations is that LV buys a station, pays for it completely, ISS members hang out there and do carebear activitys there like build things, and mine. The benifit is that LV gets a market full of modules that they can buy, as well as office rental fees, docking fees and other station service fees. ISS gets any resources from the moons they have POS's at in the system, and the profits from selling things on the market. This ties the two together closer than just a client - costomer relationship. The members of ISS who managed that station, might as well just join LV, they would retain all of the perks of using an LV station, with none of the drawbacks of being in ISS. (A "navy" that is too spread out to be effective) to the other point: I believe you're right that they did think "the more the merrier" when The Enslaver was parked at a POS in F4r. The problem is managment of ISS failed to realize the consiquences of standing sholder to sholder with a very political alliance such as LV. That having LV onboard for the conquest of that system further sealed the marriage between LV and ISS. The NEW ISS IPO
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:51:00 - [336] Edited by: Xander Magnus on 11/01/2007 00:48:38 Ofcourse ISS isn't a pvp force, and the fact that people ridicule ISS for it shows they don't understand the concept. If ISS had been a pvp force to recon with the surrounding alliances wouldn't have been very fond of having ISS so close to their space. By not intimidating and posing a threat to other alliances there would be no reason to fear and attack ISS. The only pvp they did was trying to keep the pipes as clean as possible, which safed my life a couple of times I recon. But ofcourse IAC has the perfect reason, of which I heard several: 1. ISS started it, which is kind of weird because IAC invaded ISS space first. But then again, placing market orders can be an act of aggression as well. There were several other reasons which are today referred to as: ISS didn't listen to our complaints in the past. Note this war started after ISS adjusted the charter to adhere to IAC concerns, which is dismissed as being too late. 2. ISS may not have started the war, but they sure as hell started attacking POS! They should have waited for us to do that first, we just kept our options open. Now you can see how very clever of us this is! If we did attack their POS first we could have said: we didn't say we wouldn't, and base out of The Bottleshop. Now we can say: we didn't reeeally plan on shooting POS, you made it into that and now we take their stations for a reason. Smart! 3. EVE is about shooting stuff. So we don't really need a reason, we'll just take those nice stations from the shareholders and enjoy the income. After all, EVE makes it possible for us to go back in time to where brutal strenght determined who owned something. You may notice some sarcasm in there, but that's mostly because of the bashing ISS has gotten on the forums here. They don't deserve that, they worked hard on this concept and they have earned our respect for all they have achieved. If you want to take the stations and do the fleet battles go ahead, but respect your enemy, which goes both ways. Anyhow, the reason why this war started is probably not a point of discussion anymore, it's just a repetition of what we've already read. Let it be clear I did not mention D2 here, they have reasons of their own that are a bit more convincing. This is really just a smart strategic move from their part, although I do feel sorry for the shareholders. I somehow still have hope that one of the bigger alliances will step in and stop the fall of the outposts of ISS, or else prices will rise in 0.0 once more and I'll need to go to empire to get my stuff.
Vando Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:01:00 - [337] Originally by: Xander Magnus I somehow still have hope that one of the bigger alliances will step in and stop the fall of the outposts of ISS, or else prices will rise in 0.0 once more and I'll need to go to empire to get my stuff. On the contrary, I think you'll find that IAC are indeed a bunch of carebears and will provide goods at highly reasonable prices down there in Catch
Epislona Minmatar The Science of War	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:05:00 - [338] Originally by: Xander Magnus stuff who's talking about what started it? I was talking about why people are gangbanging iss NOW. The NEW ISS IPO (revised for war time)
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:30:00 - [339] Edited by: Xander Magnus on 11/01/2007 01:26:39 Originally by: Vando On the contrary, I think you'll find that IAC are indeed a bunch of carebears and will provide goods at highly reasonable prices down there in Catch That's a relief, in that case do go ahead
Pakmule Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:30:00 - [340] Originally by: Xander Magnus Edited by: Xander Magnus on 11/01/2007 00:48:38 Ofcourse ISS isn't a pvp force, and the fact that people ridicule ISS for it shows they don't understand the concept. If ISS had been a pvp force to recon with the surrounding alliances wouldn't have been very fond of having ISS so close to their space. By not intimidating and posing a threat to other alliances there would be no reason to fear and attack ISS. The only pvp they did was trying to keep the pipes as clean as possible, which safed my life a couple of times I recon. But ofcourse IAC has the perfect reason, of which I heard several: 1. ISS started it, which is kind of weird because IAC invaded ISS space first. But then again, placing market orders can be an act of aggression as well. There were several other reasons which are today referred to as: ISS didn't listen to our complaints in the past. Note this war started after ISS adjusted the charter to adhere to IAC concerns, which is dismissed as being too late. 2. ISS may not have started the war, but they sure as hell started attacking POS! They should have waited for us to do that first, we just kept our options open. Now you can see how very clever of us this is! If we did attack their POS first we could have said: we didn't say we wouldn't, and base out of The Bottleshop. Now we can say: we didn't reeeally plan on shooting POS, you made it into that and now we take their stations for a reason. Smart! 3. EVE is about shooting stuff. So we don't really need a reason, we'll just take those nice stations from the shareholders and enjoy the income. After all, EVE makes it possible for us to go back in time to where brutal strenght determined who owned something. You may notice some sarcasm in there, but that's mostly because of the bashing ISS has gotten on the forums here. They don't deserve that, they worked hard on this concept and they have earned our respect for all they have achieved. If you want to take the stations and do the fleet battles go ahead, but respect your enemy, which goes both ways. Anyhow, the reason why this war started is probably not a point of discussion anymore, it's just a repetition of what we've already read. Let it be clear I did not mention D2 here, they have reasons of their own that are a bit more convincing. This is really just a smart strategic move from their part, although I do feel sorry for the shareholders. I somehow still have hope that one of the bigger alliances will step in and stop the fall of the outposts of ISS, or else prices will rise in 0.0 once more and I'll need to go to empire to get my stuff. You don't have the first clue what you are talking about. IAC products have always been competetively priced IAC has had stations in the area for quite some time IAC has balls to protect neutrals who are in IAC controlled space. I think you will find that Catch is going to become a much better place for business. As soon as this war ends we will go back to NRDS status and all neutral traders will be welcomed.
Roger Albany ISS Marginis Outpost Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.11 11:23:00 - [341] Edited by: Roger Albany on 11/01/2007 11:19:52 Originally by: Xander Magnus Edited by: Xander Magnus on 11/01/2007 00:48:38 IAC products have always been competetively priced IAC has had stations in the area for quite some time IAC has balls to protect neutrals who are in IAC controlled space. I think you will find that Catch is going to become a much better place for business. As soon as this war ends we will go back to NRDS status and all neutral traders will be welcomed. Ah - you just want to trade! Well if you wanted more stations in Catch to sell stuff from, why did not simply ask to buy our stations? They are after all publicly owned. If you had made reasonable offer I am sure that it would have been accepted.
OIOIOIOIIIOII	Posted - 2007.01.11 11:31:00 - [342] Originally by: Roger Albany Ah - you just want to trade! Well if you wanted more stations in Catch to sell stuff from, why did not simply ask to buy our stations? They are after all publicly owned. If you had made reasonable offer I am sure that it would have been accepted. Since when do you pay for candy owned by a baby?
Khermine Baddenash Sehmy Trading	Posted - 2007.01.11 11:33:00 - [343] Originally by: Pakmule As soon as this war ends we will go back to NRDS status and all neutral traders will be welcomed. I think that the ISS, Maelstrom and the Myriad Alliance will not be the only small alliances to being victims of this wars. The day you declared that you were a part of the block of Reds/Goons/AAA, and that your security was guaranteed by them, you also lost always to be an alliance that traded and mined small. The madness to attack your neighbor with crushing PvP for small reasons and then to destory them instead of peace will be yours to perhaps drink very soon.
Pakmule Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 13:08:00 - [344] Edited by: Pakmule on 11/01/2007 13:05:35 Nice reading comprehension. Nowhere in my post did I say that IAC was just a small mining and manufacturing alliance. I stated that IAC would be going back to a NRDS policy as soon as possible. That neutrals would be welcome at the stations and IAC has the strength to actually make Catch safer than it was for those neutrals. Putting up an outpost does little to bring civilian infrastructure to 0.0 without the strength to control that space and keep it safe for those civilians. edit: Just to be clear. These posts are my opinions and do not necesarily represent the opinions of my corp or alliance.
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.11 15:36:00 - [345] Edited by: Xander Magnus on 11/01/2007 15:32:37 Originally by: Roger Albany Edited by: Roger Albany on 11/01/2007 11:19:52 Originally by: Xander Magnus Edited by: Xander Magnus on 11/01/2007 00:48:38 IAC products have always been competetively priced IAC has had stations in the area for quite some time IAC has balls to protect neutrals who are in IAC controlled space. I think you will find that Catch is going to become a much better place for business. As soon as this war ends we will go back to NRDS status and all neutral traders will be welcomed. Ah - you just want to trade! Well if you wanted more stations in Catch to sell stuff from, why did not simply ask to buy our stations? They are after all publicly owned. If you had made reasonable offer I am sure that it would have been accepted. That quote is not me...
0August0 Gallente The Crucible	Posted - 2007.01.11 16:00:00 - [346] Originally by: Pakmule I stated that IAC would be going back to a NRDS policy as soon as possible. That neutrals would be welcome at the stations and IAC has the strength to actually make Catch safer than it was for those neutrals. I know that IAC probably has the strength, but my question is does it actually have the will? Originally by: DHB FooFighter Congrats guys. Ill make pirates out of ya yet. It seems that your alliance often talks out of both sides of its mouth. Friend to neutrals or pirate yarrs / Just pew pew with ISS or all ISS stations are belong to you. / Protecting your space or home to pirates (SoD for one). Unfortunately as a neutral trader, it will likely be a long time before i'll believe that IAC is truely the trade friendly, NRDS alliance someof you are claim it to be and bring my business to your statons. Sorry but that's the way I see it. . . . Regards, August
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:12:00 - [347] Originally by: 0August0 Originally by: DHB FooFighter Congrats guys. Ill make pirates out of ya yet. It seems that your alliance often talks out of both sides of its mouth. Friend to neutrals or pirate yarrs / Just pew pew with ISS or all ISS stations are belong to you. / Protecting your space or home to pirates (SoD for one). Unfortunately as a neutral trader, it will likely be a long time before i'll believe that IAC is truely the trade friendly, NRDS alliance someof you are claim it to be and bring my business to your statons. Sorry but that's the way I see it. We have been NRDS for a long time. we only go to NBSI during times of war. We are friendly to pirates because they don't shoot us, and they use NRDS in our sovergn space. and the whole "i'll make a pirate out of you yet" is a joke on the fact that ISS called me a pirate. -------------------------------------------- {2007.01.07 15:49:20 Notify Pretax Metron has initiated self-destruct of their Chimera}
0August0 Gallente The Crucible	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:03:00 - [348] Originally by: DHB FooFighter We have been NRDS for a long time. we only go to NBSI during times of war. We are friendly to pirates because they don't shoot us, and they use NRDS in our sovergn space. and the whole "i'll make a pirate out of you yet" is a joke on the fact that ISS called me a pirate. I see. I guess like ISS, I just have trouble telling IAC jokes from IAC true intentions. Just curious though, why don't pirates shoot you? They shoot everyone else. If one of my ships is attacked and destroyed by pirates in IAC space what will IAC do about it? . . . Regards, August
Maria Ravenwind Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:29:00 - [349] Originally by: 0August0 Originally by: Pakmule I stated that IAC would be going back to a NRDS policy as soon as possible. That neutrals would be welcome at the stations and IAC has the strength to actually make Catch safer than it was for those neutrals. I know that IAC probably has the strength, but my question is does it actually have the will? Originally by: DHB FooFighter Congrats guys. Ill make pirates out of ya yet. It seems that your alliance often talks out of both sides of its mouth. Friend to neutrals or pirate yarrs / Just pew pew with ISS or all ISS stations are belong to you. / Protecting your space or home to pirates (SoD for one). Unfortunately as a neutral trader, it will likely be a long time before i'll believe that IAC is truely the trade friendly, NRDS alliance someof you are claim it to be and bring my business to your statons. Sorry but that's the way I see it. You've obviously never been to our part of space before the wars. Due to ISS's neutrality, they wouldn't, and couldn't, stop anyone from shooting anyone else. That's why PRI love ISS so much. Personally I think it was due to how far they were spread out. Ever since our first outpost, and fighting CC/CDC back in the day, IAC has always maintained an armed presence in our area. Trading Routes such as the Doril Pipe were not always secure, but we did regular raid ups there to disrupt camps. If you are neutural to us in our space during a NRDS time period, we will do our best to make sure you are safe. And being that it is 0.0, there is no way we can guarentee your full safety. Trying to reimburse losses to neutruals would be moronic, because everyone dies in 0.0.
Tyrian Solteuer Caldari Tyrell Corp	Posted - 2007.01.11 20:38:00 - [350] It will be truly hilarious to watch RAGOONIACTFCAAAIMP implode and start shooting eachother as soon as they are done with the opposition in the area. Karma is a total *****, IAC will get theirs in the end.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:05:00 - [351] Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer It will be truly hilarious to watch RAGOONIACTFCAAAIMP implode and start shooting eachother as soon as they are done with the opposition in the area. Karma is a total *****, IAC will get theirs in the end. mmmm. ok -------------------------------------------- {2007.01.07 15:49:20 Notify Pretax Metron has initiated self-destruct of their Chimera}
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:09:00 - [352] Nah. somthing tells me that we wont be shooting each other. --Imperium--
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 21:44:00 - [353] anyone have a gisty sheild booster XL- I really need one HAHAHAHAH what is everyone talking about... Back in the day 0.0 alliance controlled the prices on high end mins... Now that ISS is gone we can start to control the amount of high end mins going into empire.. Prices will go backup and 0.0 alliance will become stronger and stronger. It all leads back to $$$$$$$$$$ Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:43:00 - [354] I believe IAC and Goons just got murdered by ISS
Ice Ghost Gallente Frontier Worlds Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:24:00 - [355] Originally by: Nim9i5 I believe IAC and Goons just got murdered by ISS Oh really?
Toman Torax Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:28:00 - [356] Originally by: Nim9i5 I believe IAC and Goons just got murdered by ISS PWYM! (combat) Your Inferno Torpedo hits Taisu Magdesh, doing 604.5 damage.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.12 03:35:00 - [357] Originally by: Nim9i5 I believe IAC and Goons just got murdered by ISS We had a fight today yes. We lost yes. "murdered" no. ISS and U'k forces decided to shoot a TCF pos in zxic that had been left un armed. they brought in a force of 150 pilots and 12ish carriers. IAC along with goonswarm got lazy and took way to long to gather a reasonable force. Finally after whipping the miners into submision we had a combined gang of 100. We decided to jump straight in, however, the ISS forces decided to jump into 2j as we jumped into ZXIC, we then chased the ISS forces about 5 jumps to w9 where they had a camp all set up and waiting for us. After waiting 3 hours for a fight i was not about to turn tail and run. So i told the goons, "you jump, I jump" and i was not disappointed by the multi-tude of gate fires that followed. Needless to say we got salughtered on the other side. As soon as i jumped in I was emergency warped to a safe, along with the rest of my gang. I knew the goons were on the gate and i couldn't in good conscience leave them there to die alone so I ordered all of my pilots back into the fight. Lag was killer, it took me 2 minutes to reload the gate and about 10 minutes to lock my primary. During this time I noticed the numerical superiority held by ISS and gang warped to a safe. We lost about 20 of 60 pilots. Killed 1 tempest and a rifter through the lag. GF ISS, I sure hope its not the last. -------------------------------------------- {2007.01.07 15:49:20 Notify Pretax Metron has initiated self-destruct of their Chimera}
Tinknadel Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.12 04:55:00 - [358] I've enjoyed both two fights this week, both GE- and W9-. I must say the lag was horrible in W9 - primaries were called however I saw no hostiles on my overview (or on our first three in command for calling targets). Very few things show up as I never saw IAC fully jump into W9. I just noticed 212 in local. We only had around 100 ish pilots also, not 150 at that time. I think while we were shooting the pos were we up a bit more, but we are very EU based. All our engagements seem to be at when everyone wants to go to bed. Either way, gf both days and I hope to see some more as a Navy member. Pos war is dreadfully boring. PS. I thought the GE- battle was way cooler, but somehow I managed to turn off fraps in the mashing of f1-8 :\ so I only have the W9- battle on fraps, which I'll be release a vid soon :D PPS. Did Eight Bit Survive? He was in like 10% structure and I thought he exploded until I hear in local that he wanted a t-shirt saying he survived w9-.
shanda captison ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:06:00 - [359] Edited by: shanda captison on 12/01/2007 10:03:06 I was the same, targets were getting called and they were just nowhere to be seen! Then the best bit of all starting to take damage when according to my screen theres nothing there! We re sorry for the smack, we were telling people to be quite just given it was late EU time i think quite a few people were pretty drunk! Gus Preston smacking us from another system (reported by our cov ops!) was just beautiful! Respect for jumping in and i was amazed how quickly you were moving considering we had a large bubble and dictor bubbles on every gate as we left. Was a bit of a scramble getting ourselves setup. Anyway gf cya in space.
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.12 12:12:00 - [360] Edited by: Algey on 12/01/2007 12:08:55 I agree, that was a great fun fight. The last two battleship engagements have been equal, followed by us winning rather than handily (was rather a nice ambush I must say, was rather proud of that one). Much better than the couple before that where you absolutely hammered us to bits I still wish you'd just bought the pesky stations than forced me to stare at POS's though, I hate POS warfare.

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