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Ghoest
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:40:00 -
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Caveats: Im not saying everything should be easy, nor that stupid people should be coddled.
Also large frieghtt ships specifically should be worried about pirates and need gaurds.
Im talking about content wise.
We need more dichotomous PVP content.
Situations where there is a signifigant reward but it comes down to a 1 on 1, or group vs group contest to get the rewards.
The rewards in these situaations should be worth more what the losing side loses, so its a positive sum game, which will encourage people to do them.
Ther are various mechanisms that could be used but I suggest this one.
A PVP marked complex that can be entered from 2 different spots in low or high sec. When someone or some group is ready in the first stage both sides it opens and lets the people enter the end and you have to eliminate the other guy befor you can mine salvage loot or what ever the rewards.
What made me think about this is the mission situation, where in order to have balanced PVE it make the mission runner all ready so challenged that they are at a big disadvanage to pirates that CCP had go the opposite way and make them practicaly immune.
I think dichotmous situations like this could be a lot of fun and provide PVP challenges to both sides.
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The Slayer
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
Bring WOW Battlegrounds to Eve
No thanks :)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:53:00 -
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No its not the same. In WOW you play for rank. Here you would be playing for a reward.
Its just like any other complex/mission except you have to fight real players instead of npc.
Plus in EVE PVP you lose your ship(these zones should have cynusural fields). Its really nothing like WOW.
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Stormhold
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:59:00 -
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Hunter vs prey is part of the reason I fly EVE. Battlegrounds in WoW were a stupid implementation (Though in a game where you didn't get any loot anyway, it atleast gave some reward, but in EVE loot is the reward) removing most of the pvp that was actually somewhat interesting in the long run.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
No its not the same. In WOW you play for rank. Here you would be playing for a reward.
Its just like any other complex/mission except you have to fight real players instead of npc.
Plus in EVE PVP you lose your ship(these zones should have cynusural fields). Its really nothing like WOW.
Player constructed deadspaces would fulfill this role, which IMO would be awesome. But you're idea is too much like battlegrounds, too controlled which is not what EVE is (and which will be fulfilled by faction warfare anyway, in hopefully a more freeform approach).
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 06/01/2007 14:00:58
Its a straight up dichotmous fight for a physical reward.
I suppose some of the people against this think that ganking missions is good which is a straight up ganking(unless its the mission runner isnt running the mission actually and its a trap).
Ganking mission runners is very controled too and its one sided.
I belive most "PVP"ers dont want to fight at all.
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Samirol
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:09:00 -
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no, non consentual pvp is why i play eve
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Noriath
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:13:00 -
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I generally agree with this, in Eve there is very little PvP that is acctually reward oriented, you are just trying to inflict as much damage as possible while taking as little as possible, so the majority of PvP boils down to a vastly superior force taking on someone who can't match them in any regard.
The only times when fleets or gangs clash is when you're fighting over something that you can't take with you, like a POS, or a gate, or a complex.
Because of that I say, add various profit opportunities where a small group can make a lot of money with minimal effort involved if they can manage to hold the objective for a certain time. That way there will be nearly constant fighting over whatever installation offers this benefit.
Some kind of mini-station in a complex with multiple entrances that can be captured by shooting at it enough, and gives a large reward in cash or items if held by the same party for 2 hours.
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Subaru Yakamitsukamosuki
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:15:00 -
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Blow up enough of your enemies ships and towers and hold space for long enough and you get a nice shiny station as a reward.
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Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Noriath
various profit opportunities where a small group can make a lot of money with minimal effort involved
There's enough of that going around already.
As for the rest, just say no to these ridiculous ideas of what 'PvP' is. You shoot a player, it's PvP. They don't shoot back, but whine about how they're trying to mine in peace? It's still PvP. You undercut a player on the market, it's PvP. You show up at someone's station system with 300 dreadnaughts and all they have is a frigate? It's PvP. You set up for combat and waste some idiot flying around a 1.2B faction ship, with another 3B worth of faction mods fitted, running missions alone in lowsec without paying an ounce of attention to local?
Guess what? That too is PvP.
EVE is the only MMOG thusfar to offer the ability to actually conduct warfare against one's fellow players. Please to keep it that way.
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:33:00 -
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Geez next time you put a reply down in one of the 200 old Battleground/PVP sucks in EVE threads ok?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:37:00 -
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There are only 2 skills in 90% of EVE PVP.
-getting close to someone weaker than you
-getting away from someone stronger than you
Its a legitimate dynamic. But I would like to see other PVP dynamics also.
Currently the only goal worth actually standing and fighting for in EVE is control of 0.0 space.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:41:00 -
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I think it would be a lot of fun. Basically like missions vs other players. Perfect for everybody who wants to do missions in a more realistic way than fighting stupid npc mobs. I want to avoid/kill real players on my missions.
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Mask Rayne
Janissaries
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:45:00 -
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TZeer
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.06 14:52:00 -
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Quote:
Currently the only goal worth actually standing and fighting for in EVE is control of 0.0 space.
0.0 space means valuable ore, good rats, complexes+++
Basically everything guys in empire want, just that 0.0 isnt crowded.
And we fight for fun, pretty explosions.
And LOOT!! Lots of nice shiney loot.
What you ask for is basically a complex that is build up like the PVP championship....
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: TZeer
What you ask for is basically a complex that is build up like the PVP championship....
That doesnt seem bad to me. Why do we have fairly equal tournys for a select few when 08%% of us never come across balls to wall fairly even combat(with no one running away).
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Iudex
Caldari
CaIdari Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:27:00 -
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Interesting idea, might be good for some type factional warfare missions.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
Originally by: Ghoest
Bring WOW Battlegrounds to Eve
No thanks :)
Why not? It would be like the PVP tournament.
Only problem I see would be that CCP simply can't implement it quickly (the PVP tournament requires human referees watching over the players I believe).
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Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:46:00 -
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Now there's some fracking sensible PvP ideas for once.
Get rid of the gankers and you might EVE to actually be worht playing in PvP.
I wonder what the ratio of 'Don't fight unless we can kill off a lone taget easily is?'
From the responses for far it's higher.
I think you PvPers are actually more cowerdly then those you call Carebears.
You need a name too: How about Lamebears? Carebears won't fight, Lamebears only fight because they can gank.
EVE seems to be more populated with Lamebears then anything else. Not a good sign.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
The Lookers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:48:00 -
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I sprouted this idea of having 'arenas' in hi sec in my corp channel once and most thought of it as a good idea.
So u have areas in hi sec where people can have a 1 vs 1 without the need of dropping a can, taking a sec hit or anything silly like that, it could be used to hold tournaments and stuff, hell there could be a way to even bet on the outcome for all i care.
This would not replace anything just be an addition.
Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
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xxWhistler
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:59:00 -
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I don't think that you're going to get your wish as far as PVP-specific complexes being put in, but my impression of the continuing contract upgrades and factional warfare is that they're trying to help us with exactly what you're talking about. Success conditions for contracts will allow players to basically generate missions for other players, most likely those would be PVP. Hopefully CCP can make those scam-resistant so that people actually use them, which certainly isn't easy.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:06:00 -
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Any form of "arena" or whatnot in high sec is stupid, want to fight someone? Set a meeting in low sec/0.0 and go beat eachother up.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ediz Daxx
Any form of "arena" or whatnot in high sec is stupid, want to fight someone? Set a meeting in low sec/0.0 and go beat eachother up.
Honestly thats stupid suggestion. Its possible now and no one does it.
We all know if my suggestion were implemented many people would be doing it.
So obviously they are not comparable.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Ediz Daxx
Any form of "arena" or whatnot in high sec is stupid, want to fight someone? Set a meeting in low sec/0.0 and go beat eachother up.
Honestly thats stupid suggestion. Its possible now and no one does it.
We all know if my suggestion were implemented many people would be doing it.
So obviously they are not comparable.
How would the "arena" you suggest give anything to EVE pvp? You do know that theres alot of PVP going on in low sec/0.0 that arent ganks right?
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:20:00 -
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I hear there is a game out there, it's supposed to be a lot better for those who wants their hands to be held.
I hear, that it really tries to go beyond any other mechanism to make the world fair.
I hear, it has realms, fairies, talking cows, small gnomes, pretty elves, and really "cool" undead who can dance!
I think this game is more suited for Mr. OP.
Do you want to know what this game is?
Give me your stuff, and I'll tell you. :p
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Malicious Wraith
Minmatar
The Dark Side of the Moon
Edge of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:22:00 -
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More PvP? yes.
Your idea? No.
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Drakonei
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Drakonei on 06/01/2007 16:29:23
Originally by: Ghoest
..The rewards in these situaations should be worth more what the losing side loses, so its a positive sum game, which will encourage people to do them..
Absolutely no on this point. Otherwise two groups of players can organise to enter the fight with minimal ships, kill each other as quickly as possible (self-destruct anyone?), take the reward and split it.
Then just repeat to effortlessly make as much ISK as they need.
They'd be camped and exploited to a silly degree.
Onto the idea though... Personally, I dont see any major problem with it. It doesnt imply, in any way, that the PvP we all know and love is going to be removed. Its just an added feature, to encourage those who may not be inclined, to PvP.
Dont see how thats a bad thing, myself.
But(!) I've got the impression that the new factional warfare may operate in a way that is not completely different to what you've said.
Maybe you should wait and see what our good old friends at CCP come up with.
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:38:00 -
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A big no to any kind of an instance in EVE.
A big no to consentual PVP.
You dont need to play every game you know? And they dont all need to work the same way. EVE is a niche game. Please stop trying to take away the things which make it special.
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Drakonei
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan
Please stop trying to take away the things which make it special.
What is being taken away here?
Please, enlighten me. This is giving another way to PvP, but it isnt going to stop the gang camps, alliance wars, or anything such as that.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2007.01.06 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: BurnHard on 06/01/2007 17:18:43
The responses many of these threads generate are funny. They show how many players value "PvP" not as fair fights (where the odds are more or less even, apart from player skill), but in unfair fights - i.e. scanning out mission runners, or camping a gate. If you ever come up with an idea that is anything like an arena (similar to alliance tournaments), then expect the pirate carebears to shoot it down as not being "in the spirit of Eve" - which I think is a Euphemism for "in the spirit of attacking the weak and running away when the odds start to look more even".
The funny thing is that many players would participate more in PvP if there were more controlled scenarios for them to take part in, where they don't feel as if someone is either going to scam, cheat or otherwise take advantage of them. I don't believe the latter is "the spirit of Eve", unless of course it's a reflection of the spirit of the player base (I suspect it is).
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