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Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:42:00 - [61] Edited by: Bilanto Gatejumper on 05/02/2007 12:38:51 Originally by: Topaz Skydiver The chinese cluster is not competing with Tranquility. It has a separate 'regional' community. Tranquility is where the 'world' meets. True, and I think the reason most people would like to have a new server (me included) is a chance to play equal with all the vets in the long run. (Given other games who is not timedriven on the skills you can grind your self to max skill and join in friends on equal basis even if the server is 2-3 years old) When I say that I also need to mention that I love the way the skills are leveled in EVE, but as a REALY late starter I would like to have a chance to gain up to a level of others if I really put my mind to it. How? I dont know, but thats why I think of a new server. Where a lot would have started on scratch. Perhaps a EVE 2? (Complete new game....)
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:02:00 - [62] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Edited by: Bilanto Gatejumper on 05/02/2007 12:38:51 Originally by: Topaz Skydiver The chinese cluster is not competing with Tranquility. It has a separate 'regional' community. Tranquility is where the 'world' meets. True, and I think the reason most people would like to have a new server (me included) is a chance to play equal with all the vets in the long run. (Given other games who is not timedriven on the skills you can grind your self to max skill and join in friends on equal basis even if the server is 2-3 years old) When I say that I also need to mention that I love the way the skills are leveled in EVE, but as a REALY late starter I would like to have a chance to gain up to a level of others if I really put my mind to it. How? I dont know, but thats why I think of a new server. Where a lot would have started on scratch. Perhaps a EVE 2? (Complete new game....) What limited gameplay EVE would have if everyone was close to the same age. EVE has players old and young, new characters being created every day, old ones retiring from the game. In this, as in so many things, EVE imitates life, and yet people want to change it. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:02:00 - [63] Originally by: Giantmoth What's everyones opinion on the idea that CCP would open up a completly new server, an unexploited galaxy. It could come in the form of an expansion, opening up a new world for EVE, and giving everyone a chance to start over again. Perhaps even skill training would be performed faster, or at least a little, to encourage people to start playing there. And also, if you could train both characters on the same account, at the same time, so you can have two 'main' characters on both. This has probably been discussed before, but let's hear some fresh opinions. Could it work? Would EVE have a potentially big playerbase for it? If released as the form of a new expansion on the market, more players might be brought in the process. The only way I'd agree with that is if there was a way to get between galaxies. Like scouting and exploration for 'wormholes'. Mr. K VIGILANT JUSTICE CEO/FOUNDER
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:08:00 - [64] This idea sucks, and has always sucked. Keen fact: the vets can just fly MORE ships better then you. They can't fly any one ship better then you. This is because skills max out at lvl 5.
Lesi	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Kruugore The only way I'd agree with that is if there was a way to get between galaxies. Like scouting and exploration for 'wormholes'. You dont have to agree. You can stay in the old galaxy. Just let all us others dont have to have 3 year old accounts bulling us. :)
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:15:00 - [66] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 05/02/2007 13:14:51 Originally by: Sorela Oh please I need a shovel for all the BS in here. Giantmoth what nobody is telling you is that they really do not want a new server because EVE is built on the principle that veterans have an edge over lesser vet players no matter what. This principle is at the very core of EvE. A new server would give a large portion of the player base a place to go and equalize things in their eyes. The way skill training works would allow them to play both servers at the same time afterall. To be fair this would eventually lead to not many people playing on Tranquility anymore at all. So it's not feasible and personally I'd rather see them fix the skill system. Since their current user base though prefers things this way it's fairly risky for them to fix it. What is wrong with the skill system ?........That you have to learn the skills in order to use items, or that players who have played this game since the start allready have learned the skills and know how EVE works. It seems to me you want the cake and eat it to..please...use the ingame mechanic to train your char.....implants and so on. Belive me, i have meet players with 40 mio of skillspoints, and they still dont know how to utilize them. A new galaxy ? a new server...dont see it happen, it will destroy EVE...its unique feeling, its history...and the fact that a community can field 35000 players in one single world 24/7. Those who say, their is no room, for those group, alliances, who which to carve a space for themselves, either dont get this game or dont know what they are talking about. Goto 0.0 space fly around, and check for yourself....most alliance claimed space is very very sparsly populated, if its even populated at all...there are hubs, and core systems....but nothing in EVE comes without a risk..if you want something...go fight for it.
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:34:00 - [67] Edited by: Kruugore on 05/02/2007 13:30:44 Originally by: Lesi Originally by: Kruugore The only way I'd agree with that is if there was a way to get between galaxies. Like scouting and exploration for 'wormholes'. You dont have to agree. You can stay in the old galaxy. Just let all us others dont have to have 3 year old accounts bulling us. :) Firstly, that goes against CCP's marketed image and claim of an 'unsharded' universe. That's the beauty of eve. Someone in a Battleship only has the battleship skills apply. They could have WTFPWNAGE FRIGATE FLYING LEVEL 10. But they aren't flying a frigate, assault ship, covert ops, or even a HAC... They are flying a battleship. You should be advocating the removal of T2, since that is the true enemy of new people. The training required to become effective and the bonus it provides over T1 is stupid IMO. T2 will always beat T1 in a fight... Unless T1 outnumbers the T2 group. Mr. K VIGILANT JUSTICE CEO/FOUNDER
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:38:00 - [68] Originally by: John Leitch no
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:45:00 - [69] Originally by: Kruugore That's the beauty of eve. Someone in a Battleship only has the battleship skills apply. They could have WTFPWNAGE FRIGATE FLYING LEVEL 10. But they aren't flying a frigate, assault ship, covert ops, or even a HAC... They are flying a battleship. You should be advocating the removal of T2, since that is the true enemy of new people. The training required to become effective and the bonus it provides over T1 is stupid IMO. T2 will always beat T1 in a fight... Unless T1 outnumbers the T2 group. This man speaks the TruthÖ. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:50:00 - [70] Originally by: Kruugore Edited by: Kruugore on 05/02/2007 13:30:44 Originally by: Lesi Originally by: Kruugore The only way I'd agree with that is if there was a way to get between galaxies. Like scouting and exploration for 'wormholes'. You dont have to agree. You can stay in the old galaxy. Just let all us others dont have to have 3 year old accounts bulling us. :) Firstly, that goes against CCP's marketed image and claim of an 'unsharded' universe. That's the beauty of eve. Someone in a Battleship only has the battleship skills apply. They could have WTFPWNAGE FRIGATE FLYING LEVEL 10. But they aren't flying a frigate, assault ship, covert ops, or even a HAC... They are flying a battleship. You should be advocating the removal of T2, since that is the true enemy of new people. The training required to become effective and the bonus it provides over T1 is stupid IMO. T2 will always beat T1 in a fight... Unless T1 outnumbers the T2 group. Except that new players have a snowballs chance in hell to get into the Dev sponsored alliance. Thats reserved for veterans I guess.

Lyn30101	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:23:00 - [71] if every alliance who currently holds space here could not go there.... I'd be all over that ****. To the guy said that one person can make a difference in EVE, yeah, if he flys a cap ship sure he can.
Cyrano Tyranus	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:40:00 - [72] Lets have a new Galaxy connected by a wormhole. (This could be in 0.0 space) Then the powerful empires can stretch out and expand into this area like the old north american land races. Can you imagine the Fleets of industrial ships flying through? The escort fleets escorting them. The POS being towed behind them! What a sight it would be. Oh then we would see the gate campers and Pirates (Yarr) desend upon them. And see if the gate campers fight against the overwhelming odds or leave them be,... The Amount of Carebears (me) also wanting to go through this wormhole would be astounding! This would resolve the issue about no people in low sec as alot will want to go throught the Wormhole to the land of unknown riches. Then the gate gankers can have a steady stream of targets. Until they kill an Empire's Alt and then they may indeed get ganked themselves. The System that contains the wormhole on tranquillity End will become the most coverted system. Imagine the uses of such a system. The Rite of passage costs.. For going in.. and indeed comming out.. Oh so sweet
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:24:00 - [73] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 05/02/2007 17:25:33 Originally by: Malachon Draco Except that new players have a snowballs chance in hell to get into the Dev sponsored alliance. Thats reserved for veterans I guess. If you think thats true..why do you play this game Its been known since the earlist days of EVE..that CCP have chars in several corps, alliances and so on....It only makes sense, they enjoy the game to, and this way they can perfectly monitor EVE, find out whats good, and what needs to be improved. Do i think they use there DEV powers, to influence the game......NO If you have any proof of your accusation, please bring it forth so we all can judge it. If your unhappy and dont trust CCP, why do you play their game, seems a waste of money...
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Lyn30101 if every alliance who currently holds space here could not go there.... I'd be all over that **. To the guy said that one person can make a difference in EVE, yeah, if he flys a cap ship sure he can. Every ship needs a pilot..its not the ship thats important......CAP ships can be killed, it takes tenasity, and the will to do it, and good pilots Your not your Ship**
Mantiss	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:39:00 - [75] I like the idea of another server and see no harm in it. I also don't see how it would affect the storyline as that could be continued on the new server. Frankly if the game lags with 30,000 toons logged in it will probably be unplayable with 50,000. At some point CCP will have to decide if listening to players complain about lag and continually paying to upgrade Tranquility will be cost effective vs. simply adding another server. As long as you can port your toons, ships and equipment it wouldn't matter to me. It would probably affect existing alliances and corps because some members would move to the new server but they would make adjustments and survive.
CyberChick The Ghost Riders Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:24:00 - [76] I doubt it would honestly happen, it would require double the amount of server hardware and would be a risk that ccp would be likely to attempt unless tranquility became too over capacity.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:32:00 - [77] I'd go to a new area/wormhole/server in a new york minute, and wouldnt look back. I would also happily pay a double subscription fee. Either that or increase the size of the current EVE universe by 3 times and add more gates and better stations everywhere AND more rescources that are forever used up, like labs etc. Just gets tiring feeling like a drone in the huge machinations of Alliance and T2 monsters and farmers. As for the EVE flavor being what it is, blah blah blah...that flavor is getting stale, at least for n00bs and casuals, and people who dont care for being in gigantic alliances or corps.
Politocratis	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:01:00 - [78] I fail to see the point in doing that.
Politocratis	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:05:00 - [79] Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Edited by: Bilanto Gatejumper on 05/02/2007 12:38:51 Originally by: Topaz Skydiver The chinese cluster is not competing with Tranquility. It has a separate 'regional' community. Tranquility is where the 'world' meets. True, and I think the reason most people would like to have a new server (me included) is a chance to play equal with all the vets in the long run. (Given other games who is not timedriven on the skills you can grind your self to max skill and join in friends on equal basis even if the server is 2-3 years old) When I say that I also need to mention that I love the way the skills are leveled in EVE, but as a REALY late starter I would like to have a chance to gain up to a level of others if I really put my mind to it. How? I dont know, but thats why I think of a new server. Where a lot would have started on scratch. Perhaps a EVE 2? (Complete new game....) Why? So 3 years from now some other noob can ask for the same thing for the same reason? Will you want to start from scratch THEN, AFTER you realized that it is unnecessary? How about this... build a subscriber base for 3 years.. THEN release the game for full play when everyone is at the starting line! ORRRR, you can do what you said.. put your mind to it.. and you will see that you CAN compete with vets in a relatively short amount of time.
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.06 07:38:00 - [80] Originally by: Politocratis ORRRR, you can do what you said.. put your mind to it.. and you will see that you CAN compete with vets in a relatively short amount of time. I cant see how on earth it is possible. So I guess I will tug around in empire controlled space as long as I find it fun, then go into some lowsec until I get killed and close the account. For me this game has lite future in the long run (To far behind) even thou it is fun atm.

Scav Silver	Posted - 2007.02.06 07:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Constantine Arcanum how would you tie that in with the storyline? Simple.. New EVE gate.. ------------------------------------------------------------- -=Baby Seal Killer=-
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 10:11:00 - [82] Originally by: Soporo I'd go to a new area/wormhole/server in a new york minute, and wouldnt look back. I would also happily pay a double subscription fee. Either that or increase the size of the current EVE universe by 3 times and add more gates and better stations everywhere AND more rescources that are forever used up, like labs etc. Just gets tiring feeling like a drone in the huge machinations of Alliance and T2 monsters and farmers. As for the EVE flavor being what it is, blah blah blah...that flavor is getting stale, at least for n00bs and casuals, and people who dont care for being in gigantic alliances or corps. Stop being a drone then? ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.06 10:22:00 - [83] bad idea all round theres still plenty of space to work with where eve is concerned plus the ability to add new systems
Jovienus	Posted - 2007.02.06 11:52:00 - [84] Prelogue... After so much time little did the tribes of EVE know what was about to be fall them. Without warning the wormhole EVE opened its gates once again to the distance worlds of Earth. Scientists and Engineers from all the races mounted an expedition to discover the fate of their Earth bound brothers. But little did they know what horrors they would encounter... Technical The separate server could in theory be linked to the EVE universe via ingame lore, the EVE wormhole could be used as a trigger mechanism for players to shift from one server to another. The transition could by careful controlled by a strict guideline. Epilogue As the first explorers from the EVE universe enter the Earth(Eden) universe they encounter a strange alien race, unlike anything they could imagine, quick the Eveians discover that the true reason behind the collapse of the EVE wormhole wasn't a natural one but a precursor to an alien invasion of the Earth systems eons ago. Now the Jovians enter into the fray to unite the Eveians in a colossal undertaking, to invade and secure the Earth systems and liberate the human colonies from the vile alien menace, who now have set their sights on the EVE universe. EVE 2 - Lost Eden I think it a possibility huh? No... :(
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:24:00 - [85] Is it this time of the month already? Ourselves Alone
Bilanto Gatejumper Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:28:00 - [86] People are talking about wormholes and so on. Forget that. It would not solve a thing. What I am talking about which would solve what I think is the problem here would be a complete new server without anyway of getting players or goods from one server over on the other. I don't see problem with load on existing tranq. I see a problem with starting 3 years later than the vets will bring me in a position where I really never can compete. So forget about wormholes. They are not interesting. What I whish would happend was that they set up a brand new server that everyone who wanted could start fresh on. Everyone that got a high ranking toon that they have spend way to much time on already can stay for all I care. So don't talk about "Want work", "Never gonna happen" and so on. Unless you like EVE to rot on root you need to do something that will trigger new players to come to the game who is not the usual casual player. Perhaps the solution is not to make a new server, but give me something that can make it possible for me to catch up with those who have played for 2-3 years. Someway that I can work my way up to where they are and not ending up in always be in second.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:36:00 - [87] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 06/02/2007 12:32:58 Originally by: Bilanto Gatejumper Perhaps the solution is not to make a new server, but give me something that can make it possible for me to catch up with those who have played for 2-3 years. Someway that I can work my way up to where they are and not ending up in always be in second. WTF should you be able to 'catch up' (ignoring for the moment the fact that you, to some extent, can)? What the hell is this obsession with the 'best' in this game? You need the oldest character with the most skills and the most ISK and the best ship and the best modules blah blah blah. Stop worrying about who is 'ahead of' or 'behind' you (truly retarded concepts in a game with as much breadth and depth as Eve) and go play the damn game. FFS ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Savio Caldari The Knights Of Camelot DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:39:00 - [88] Originally by: Soulita Yea, this idea comes up on the forums every once in a while. It is a real bad idea, sorry. One of the great things about EVE is that everyone lives in the same universe. Multiple servers would destroy the EVE spirit. What she said! . Need a Sign? Click Here
Lojack Girl	Posted - 2007.02.06 13:05:00 - [89] creating a new server so YOU can start agian with everyone at an equal footing would just be dump first of all after a few months you will just have calls for another one to be created as new noobs will want the same thing you got and why not? it will just be a land grab and t2 bpo grabing fest of massive proportions. for all of you saying "in wow i can be up with the best inside 3 months" All you need in eve to be "THE BEST" is three months skill for an inty, t2 guns and all the other support skills. about 40 mill to fiting it and maybe some cheap snake implants and there you go uber inty pilot that will go 1 on 1 with the 4 year bad boys in an itny inty fight :D ofcourse you want to fly a BS but thats youre chouse every fleet needs intys so you wont be "left in newbville skilling". but thats the bottom line, you can only skill a skill to lvl 5 so its not like the vets have a hand you cant match they only have more hands :P after t2 the only way a vet can fit better than you is officer or faction mods that are very exspence and having a friend will lose him his advantage there and then. plus if you fly an inty and they fit a facxtion/officer mod they are nuts/haxed/"t2 bpo owner LOL"
Hillary Lips Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.06 13:49:00 - [90] withot reading more than 5 words NO Eve-Poker.com



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