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EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:20:00 - [31] The whole thing is.. you can think whatever you want. And yes I am in that channel with my main talking to you.. but you are afk. Anyways.. I have trustees and I trust them.. Let them call scam.. I mean, does it really matter wether you think it is a scam or not? There are buyorders for EMFI.. sell your shares there. Bye.
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:21:00 - [32] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Omber Zombie kublai, you told us nothing that anyone with half a brain didn't already know. Actually, quite a few people disagreed quite loudly ;) Right. Those were the people who diddnt have the Half Brain Oz was talking about. EMFi knew which way the wind was blowing, but because of ISSO she couldnt get all the ISS shares gone in time. ISSO sucked up a lot of people's "radonm investment" isk. It also gave anyone who wanted a chance to invest in an ISS fund a near limitless supply.
Makisso Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:23:00 - [33] Well considering all I saw is stiener post a . That your main then convo me, I am not afk but am lagging. Originally by: EMFi Manager The whole thing is.. you can think whatever you want. And yes I am in that channel with my main talking to you.. but you are afk. Anyways.. I have trustees and I trust them.. Let them call scam.. I mean, does it really matter wether you think it is a scam or not? There are buyorders for EMFI.. sell your shares there. Bye.
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Makisso Nope...not in the channel, as I am there now. and again, what REAL answers have we had to any questions besides I will try to work it out. then im guessing you dont know who EMFI's main is, because until 2min ago, the main was logged into the channel. Also at this point im going to guess that EMFI has been working on reducing exposure to ISS stocks the last few days, but so have a lot of others. If you want a gut answer from EMFI, you wont get it. One thing I have learned about EMFI's scheming ways, is that they are slow calculated and then strike. Giving out to much information at this point, might possibley hurt the EMFI exit strategy. Relax take a chill pill, and if you have lost your faith feel free to sell your EMFI shares to any of the "new and improved" buy orders listed on EGSEX. -- Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:24:00 - [35] maybe you blocked naphtalia.. and no I am not gonna convo you..
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Montaire Originally by: kublai Originally by: Omber Zombie kublai, you told us nothing that anyone with half a brain didn't already know. Actually, quite a few people disagreed quite loudly ;) Right. Those were the people who diddnt have the Half Brain Oz was talking about. EMFi knew which way the wind was blowing, but because of ISSO she couldnt get all the ISS shares gone in time. ISSO sucked up a lot of people's "radonm investment" isk. It also gave anyone who wanted a chance to invest in an ISS fund a near limitless supply. Idiots need love too, also the post wasn't intended to become such a big thing, as I knew about all the fleets moving against ISS long before ISS and Co ever realised the size of this invasion, I just thought i'd have a laugh. However, I will admit I was much amused and amazed at the amount of idiots debating wether or not this would have a negative effect on their shares My intent was a friendly warning "hey guys, you're wallets are taking a pounding in about one hour, sell sell sell", from your local Crime and Punishment scumbag. Enough about that though. I'm guessing the op, like most other people interested in the share markets had massive shares in both the old ISS IPO, and the new one. Is it suprising your profits suffer a blow? Atleast you're getting a straight story from these guys, that's a hell of a lot more than can be said of ISS. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Makisso Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:26:00 - [37] Nope no one blocked' Originally by: EMFi Manager maybe you blocked naphtalia.. and no I am not gonna convo you..
Makisso Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:30:00 - [38] OK, lets see, I re-join channel and emfi manager wont convo, rejects invite. Finbe, I am lagging and am not seeing any replies. I am not afk. All I can guess by this is that no responce to any questions has been posted here because something is goin on that is not being told to the shareholders. Originally by: EMFi Manager maybe you blocked naphtalia.. and no I am not gonna convo you..
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:31:00 - [39] Nope none in the new shares.. tried to get out of the old shares as soon as there was an announcement a week before the new shares, but well the sellers market wasn't good.. this is what is left over. Anyways.. if you think I scam.. sell ;) Otherwise shhh... or you will make things worse.
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:32:00 - [40] Originally by: Makisso Nope no one blocked' Originally by: EMFi Manager maybe you blocked naphtalia.. and no I am not gonna convo you.. looks like the channel is borked atm -- Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
Makisso Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:37:00 - [41] OK,, if channel borked, then I can understand the issues talking in there. But I REALLY would like some answers, more than "I will try to work it out" Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Makisso Nope no one blocked' Originally by: EMFi Manager maybe you blocked naphtalia.. and no I am not gonna convo you.. looks like the channel is borked atm
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:38:00 - [42] I have answered already in the first or second post.. but you aren't looking for answers you are looking for evidence that supports your claims.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:43:00 - [43] Originally by: EMFi Manager Nope none in the new shares.. tried to get out of the old shares as soon as there was an announcement a week before the new shares, but well the sellers market wasn't good.. this is what is left over. Anyways.. if you think I scam.. sell ;) Otherwise shhh... or you will make things worse. How about this then, a majority shareholders vote, sell the ISS shares low or ride out the storm. Let the whiners themselves decide, even at a loss selling them off would help you towards 100 bill, no? That way, everyones happy http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:44:00 - [44] As a owner of between 250M of EMFI shares at IPO prices i demand that EMFI manager stops wasting time with Makisso and just concentrate on the long term recovery of shares. I also humbly request that kublai doesn¦t brag about the amazing psychic politic geostratetic percepcion (+69 without implants) that she owns on this thread. I also would like to say that i directly lost some isk with the current gangbang on ISS and i am happy with it. Nice to lose money on an IPO without being scammed.
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Trotski II As a owner of between 250M of EMFI shares at IPO prices i demand that EMFI manager stops wasting time with Makisso and just concentrate on the long term recovery of shares. I also humbly request that kublai doesn¦t brag about the amazing psychic politic geostratetic percepcion (+69 without implants) that she owns on this thread. I also would like to say that i directly lost some isk with the current gangbang on ISS and i am happy with it. Nice to lose money on an IPO without being scammed. I may have to comply or agree with all your points... Going to bed now.. sleep well all!
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Trotski II As a owner of between 250M of EMFI shares at IPO prices i demand that EMFI manager stops wasting time with Makisso and just concentrate on the long term recovery of shares. I also humbly request that kublai doesn¦t brag about the amazing psychic politic geostratetic percepcion (+69 without implants) that she owns on this thread. I also would like to say that i directly lost some isk with the current gangbang on ISS and i am happy with it. Nice to lose money on an IPO without being scammed. My power level is 99999999999999 Watch your mouth or I kung fu power kick you to the sun http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Makisso Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:50:00 - [47] Thats nice, and as a owner of approx 300mill worth, I would like to see a plan to recover. I would think that would be something every stockholder would like. Also, I have lost money on the lastest ISS banging, and while I am not happy, it happens I guess. Guess it boils down to the fact I ouwld like to see a plan laid out for EMFI recovery. Is that asking to much ? Originally by:** Trotski II As a owner of between 250M of EMFI shares at IPO prices i demand that EMFI manager stops wasting time with Makisso and just concentrate on the long term recovery of shares. I also humbly request that kublai doesn¦t brag about the amazing psychic politic geostratetic percepcion (+69 without implants) that she owns on this thread. I also would like to say that i directly lost some isk with the current gangbang on ISS and i am happy with it. Nice to lose money on an IPO without being scammed.
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Makisso Guess it boils down to the fact I ouwld like to see a plan laid out for EMFI recovery. Is that asking to much ? No. But what can be said beside something generic like buy low sell high? If all ISS outposts shares are worth 0 will take up to 20 months. If they are worth something the most optimistic forecast is 2 months. If you are afraid of EMFI turning a scam i am happy to buy your shares at 50% IPO price. Take the loss and move on with having fun playing EVE What doesn¦t make sense is because of a war that envolved maybe around 10000 players that had a huge impact on the value of the share portfolio suddently raise the scam risk on EMFI. Would be better to run with more then 100 billion then 90 or 80 or 70 no?
Makisso Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:17:00 - [49] And again I call on EMFI to show us the shareholders a plan to recover. Lots more can be said besides buy low sell high. We are liquidating X assets to make up some of the difference, we are diversifying our holdings so something like this does not occour again, we will be LOWERING the dividend instead of eliminating it all together. And I wouldent have said it raised the scam risk by itself, but combined with the statement that it may take 20 months to recover....well, that just sounds a bit funny, especially when looking at the holdings of EMFI (what they have made public). Again, I dont think its asking to much for the shareholders to see a plan for recovery. Originally by: Trotski II Originally by: Makisso Guess it boils down to the fact I ouwld like to see a plan laid out for EMFI recovery. Is that asking to much ? No. But what can be said beside something generic like buy low sell high? If all ISS outposts shares are worth 0 will take up to 20 months. If they are worth something the most optimistic forecast is 2 months. If you are afraid of EMFI turning a scam i am happy to buy your shares at 50% IPO price. Take the loss and move on with having fun playing EVE What doesn¦t make sense is because of a war that envolved maybe around 10000 players that had a huge impact on the value of the share portfolio suddently raise the scam risk on EMFI. Would be better to run with more then 100 billion then 90 or 80 or 70 no?
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:04:00 - [50] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 08/01/2007 05:00:53 I'm going to go to Hell for this, but I agree with the noob that the current solution isn't good enough. If EMFI doesn't pay out for an extended period of time, the shares are going to tank to the point where they're worthless. Take a look at BMBE, TornSoul is sitting on pure ISK to the tune of over 53mil/share, and yet you can't sell a share for 46mil. Stocks in EVE only have value if they're paying out, they aren't worth anything if it only represents owning a piece of hard assets that may or may not be there in the future. Considering EMFI owns shares, not ISK, I can only imagine the fallout effect will be even worse with it than BMBE. EMFI needs to take the share price hit and continue producing dividends if it's to last. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:28:00 - [51] EMFI shouldnt pay out in full nor should it pay nothing until the nav gets back to 10k/share. Best solution is to pay nothing for 2 months with a firm commitment to pay out a certain % from then on after. In any case, BMBE is supposed to have everything loaned out for 1-2 months now so that will speed recovery. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Trotski II Rasta Tropical Club	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Verite Rendition EMFI needs to take the share price hit and continue producing dividends if it's to last. Well the hit we are already taking and will take no matter what economic engineering is made. Maybe making a votation (that seems french on google...what¦s the english word?) with 3 options is a nice solution: 1- Retain all dividents untill 100 billion in assets is achieved 2- Retain 50% of dividends untill 100 billion is reached 3- Keep paying dividends untill was done before ISS massacre. I personaly would vote 2.
Minxy	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:55:00 - [53] Edited by: Minxy on 08/01/2007 05:52:42 Edited by: Minxy on 08/01/2007 05:52:00 Originally by: Makisso And again I call on EMFI to show us the shareholders a plan to recover. Lots more can be said besides buy low sell high. We are liquidating X assets to make up some of the difference, we are diversifying our holdings so something like this does not occour again, we will be LOWERING the dividend instead of eliminating it all together. And I wouldent have said it raised the scam risk by itself, but combined with the statement that it may take 20 months to recover....well, that just sounds a bit funny, especially when looking at the holdings of EMFI (what they have made public). Again, I dont think its asking to much for the shareholders to see a plan for recovery. Your asking for a plan on recovery before the war is even over, how can he possably know what is going to be left of ISS before all the fighting ends??? ISS may still end up with a few outposts, or it may end up with none, its impossable to plan anything if no one really knows whats going to happen in the end. At least wait a few weeks and see what is left of ISS before demanding a recovery plan. i dont own any shares by the way, and never have, just seems stupid to be demanding things from the guy when no one really knows whats going to be left of ISS at the end of it all.
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 08:32:00 - [54] Sigh, you really haven't read my posts have you? The Tanking of the EMFI shares IS the plan of recovery. Everything is said here, the duration depends on what happens in the war and how the investors handle their investment (hold on or sell). I can't magically conjure non-existant isk. And I need all the ISK I have for buying back EMFI stock (instead of paying dividends). You keep shouting for the plan to recover.. it is already here, just read it again.
EMFi Manager EvE Mutual Fund Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.08 08:44:00 - [55] Ok, even though publishing the plan will hurt the chance of the plan succeeding I will buckle under the stress becuase frankly I don't give a crap. A = NAV After ISS sitation is Resolved (ie: 70b) B = IPO Value of EMFI (ie: 100b) a = NAV/Share (ie: 7k) b = IPO/Share (ie: 10k) c = Tanked EMFI value (ie: 3k isk) D = Current EMFI Wallet (ie: 2b isk) E = Dividend income from current investments (ie: 2b isk) F = ammount of EMFI shares in EMFI Wallet n = number of months to recover Right. We can pay dividends again if Divies = F+E+(E/c*n)+A-B So.. It depends on: 1) How much will EMFI be affected, what happens to the war 2) How much will other shares give in dividends 3) How much will people panic and dump EMFI shares for if 1) All ISS is worthless 2) Other EMFI portfolio goes down in dividends 3) Noone will sell any EMFI shares for under their value it will take up to 20months if 1) ISS takes a small hit because of the war 2) Other EMFI investments increase in value 3) people start dumping their EMFI shares for 1000 isk/share it will take 1week to 8weeks to recover. There you go.
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.08 09:23:00 - [56] damm you emfi, you explained it idiot proof, so much for my entertainment watching the trolls attempt to flame you. -- Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 10:48:00 - [57] Maybe you should have invested in Burn Eden futures afterall

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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:13:00 - [59] Amazing how hard it is for some people to understand simple things . Good work, EMFI. There is little you could have done. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:14:00 - [60] Originally by: Baun In any case, BMBE is supposed to have everything loaned out for 1-2 months now so that will speed recovery. Shhh. Makisso, while your heart may be in the right place you're going about it the wrong way and ending up looking like a bit of a clown. \| How To Afford A Tech II BPO \| the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus.

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