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SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:18:00 - [61] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 08/01/2007 02:40:03 Originally by: SATAN We have 15 active members at the moment, if we get a gang of 10 going that is a fleet for us. Nothing stands in our way when that happens, nothing. We are use to engaging 5:1 or better, we look forward to it. If you dont engage those odds, then you have not had fun in EvE yet. Really? Before this little ISS business started we tracked your 10man gang down from Deklein...the thing that stopped you was the large warp bubble. Your scout saw it and you did a 180. Maybe Branch is off limits to you. Either way, we didnt out number you 2-1 and you didnt make it through Y-1. If you had...there was plenty of ppl waiting to play with you in 1ix as well ;) Edit: they are good stats btw, but many of us manning those camps were eager to play with Burn Eden...and were a little dissapointed Where was this? We took a trip all the way up north to CZ looked around, and everything was docked. So we turned around and went back to find trouble elsewhere. Were you a few jumps up? If so, thats too bad our scouts didnt go that far up. Would have been nice to find someone else but FLA to fight.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:19:00 - [62] So, uhmm, any movies from these 5:1 fights coming, per chance? ^^;
TasmanianX E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:25:00 - [63] Edited by: TasmanianX on 08/01/2007 04:22:32 Originally by: SATAN UDIE has been to these areas about 4 or 5 times now to get some killing done, and every single time the same old story gets told. "Just wait, you wait when my big brother gets home you are gonna get it, I mean it. He is a bad mofo, and he fly's a crow or something else insignificant." Get over it iron has no pvp capability, all they have is a frigate gank squad that is capable of killing lone targets while having them outnumbered 20:1. In the past we have waited long and hard for these big bad mofo's to come home. And when they do they die just like everyone else, except they smack more. Just make sure when they get here, that they fit nice loot on their frigs. He's right, just ask FIX. Congrats on your kills though, I'm sure you made someone very happy killing all those poor ravens.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:28:00 - [64] Originally by: SATAN Where was this? We took a trip all the way up north to CZ looked around, and everything was docked. So we turned around and went back to find trouble elsewhere. Were you a few jumps up? If so, thats too bad our scouts didnt go that far up. Would have been nice to find someone else but FLA to fight. It was Y-1, the entry to Branch from Deklein. Obviously we have heard of you guys and we were looking forward to the encounter. I am sure your scout entered local... Maybe next time, you can do me a favour and come down the pipe a bit further when I'm up there again Actually I saw you in Pureblind yesterday, we were commenting on your name, and guessed that you had to have been in game for LONG time to have got that one
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:28:00 - [65] Originally by: SATAN Get over it iron has no pvp capability, all they have is a frigate gank squad that is capable of killing lone targets while having them outnumbered 20:1. In the past we have waited long and hard for these big bad mofo's to come home. And when they do they die just like everyone else, except they smack more. Just make sure when they get here, that they fit nice loot on their frigs. Me and some corp mates were in a Iron gangs down souht about 3-4 days ago... Frig gangs hey ??? One of 2 or you dont have the slighest clue of what you are saying or either you know that you are lying and you are just flaming away... Why dont you ask FIX for updated informations regarding the "frigate gank squad that is capable of killing lone targets while having them outnumbered 20:1" ??? or even better consult Iron and FIX Kb...
Daedal Virtu Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:41:00 - [66] Few things to note, Not all those losses were fla, tho we can claim close to half id guess, but we have half the kills too. Its been great fighting BE and we've been working on some new tactics in hope that it will improve those numbers. Im rather enjoying it as experience against a real PVP crew, TRI and Omen gank squads were getting a little old. The assessment of IRON is a bit off, most of the IRON PVP crew is on a southern holiday but from their killboard BoB are starting to feel that already. Thats half the reason FLA have been coming down to pew pew so often. Keep up the fun fight, and we still haven't given up on getting rid of that POS of yours. FLA Diplomat <No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced>
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:48:00 - [67] Originally by: j0sephine So, uhmm, any movies from these 5:1 fights coming, per chance? ^^; Nope. Wouldn't want to give out too much info on how we fight, and you already know how uber we are so no need really.
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:52:00 - [68] Wow, those are some insane stats.
Celestal	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:58:00 - [69] so do burn eden still fabricate kill mails ? use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ? never post their own deaths feel that every ship they shoot at should die so manufacture kill mails to show this ( often posting kill mail mails showing a char has lost full load out of II equip when said char is 5 months off fly9ing with any t II equip ) ?
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:05:00 - [70] so do burn eden still fabricate kill mails ? Yes - when NPCs steal our mails, we fabricate them use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ? Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats never post their own deaths If they were reimbursed, no feel that every ship they shoot at should die so manufacture kill mails to show this ( often posting kill mail mails showing a char has lost full load out of II equip when said char is 5 months off fly9ing with any t II equip ) ? We fabricte killmails we don't recieve due to bugs or NPCs. If said mail happens to be copied from a t2 fitted ship and yours was t1, boo hoo. Give us the killmail when we ask for it and that won't happen
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:08:00 - [71] Just out of curiousity Shin Ra, how much should one expect to pay you guys for something like this? http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Celestal	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:09:00 - [72] Originally by: Shin Ra so do burn eden still fabricate kill mails ? Yes - when NPCs steal our mails, we fabricate them use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ? Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats never post their own deaths If they were reimbursed, no feel that every ship they shoot at should die so manufacture kill mails to show this ( often posting kill mail mails showing a char has lost full load out of II equip when said char is 5 months off fly9ing with any t II equip ) ? We fabricte killmails we don't recieve due to bugs or NPCs. If said mail happens to be copied from a t2 fitted ship and yours was t1, boo hoo. Give us the killmail when we ask for it and that won't happen LOL i say again LOL and in case you dont get it LOOL LOL LOL
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:11:00 - [73] Originally by: Celestal Originally by: Shin Ra so do burn eden still fabricate kill mails ? Yes - when NPCs steal our mails, we fabricate them use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ? Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats never post their own deaths If they were reimbursed, no feel that every ship they shoot at should die so manufacture kill mails to show this ( often posting kill mail mails showing a char has lost full load out of II equip when said char is 5 months off fly9ing with any t II equip ) ? We fabricte killmails we don't recieve due to bugs or NPCs. If said mail happens to be copied from a t2 fitted ship and yours was t1, boo hoo. Give us the killmail when we ask for it and that won't happen LOL i say again LOL and in case you dont get it LOOL LOL LOL care to explain whats so funny?
Celestal	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:12:00 - [74] hmm your titan `kill` wasnt in any of the above , please explain ( we need a giggle my daughters hamster died )
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Celestal hmm your titan `kill` wasnt in any of the above , please explain ( we need a giggle my daughters hamster died ) We never killed a titan? I'm assuming you are talking about when a titan appeared on the kill list on one of our killmails indicating we had a titan. As Mordo explained on the scrapheap forums, this was due to a bug in the killboard code. Its fixed now. Anything else?
Arnold Swartzenegger Gallente BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:20:00 - [76] Originally by: j0sephine So, uhmm, any movies from these 5:1 fights coming, per chance? ^^; trust me, I want to make a movie. But I simply can't fraps when running more than 1 account. BURN EDEN: CCP's favorite ISK sink.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:21:00 - [77] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: Masta Killa We are death You guys are the next m0o, oh wait... m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp. Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at. That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them. Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers? Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them. Let the flaming begin, it's fun. Everytime I see a post from you, I think of the time I saw you on EvE TV and I giggle like a little school girl. >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:33:00 - [78] Originally by: HostageTaker Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: Masta Killa We are death You guys are the next m0o, oh wait... m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp. Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at. That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them. Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers? Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them. Let the flaming begin, it's fun. Everytime I see a post from you, I think of the time I saw you on EvE TV and I giggle like a little school girl. Why is that?
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:40:00 - [79] *wipes tears from eyes i giggled all the way through this thread
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:43:00 - [80] Originally by: HostageTaker Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: Masta Killa We are death You guys are the next m0o, oh wait... m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp. Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at. That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them. Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers? Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them. Let the flaming begin, it's fun. Everytime I see a post from you, I think of the time I saw you on EvE TV and I giggle like a little school girl. Your erotic fantasy's involving Masta are shared by many people in EvE, please try to contain your feelings for him. At least send him private eve mails, the majority of eve does not want to know nor do they care about your desires.
Mirauder Dark Horizons	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:34:00 - [81] Edited by: Mirauder on 08/01/2007 06:32:57 Edited by: Mirauder on 08/01/2007 06:31:34 Originally by: Shin Ra use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ? Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats BS... I popped your scrambling noob corp frig and you have reported 0 frig losses... Edit: Oh... Suddenly there is 1 frig lost... Wonder when that appeared?
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:40:00 - [82] Originally by: Mirauder Originally by: Shin Ra use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ? Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats BS... I popped your scrambling noob corp frig and you have reported 0 frig losses... Edit: Oh... Suddenly there is 1 frig lost... Wonder how that appeared? It appeared at "Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/01/2007 05:40:55". We usually don't have alt in t1 frigs, hence the reason I forgot to count it. All out "alt" losses are included in those stats though.
Goca Minmatar Steel Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:35:00 - [83] Originally by: Heinky Edited by: Heinky on 08/01/2007 02:10:12 Originally by: Lowa Impressive! I dont doubt that you are good but tbfh where do you even find 100+ BS that will run into you/get cought/come out to fight (not all at the same time) etc? I mean, I see vids and stats and stuff of people getting killed left and right and I have never ever (well almost) found these ppl. The once I found are either: 1. Insta logging 2. Insta POS jumping 3. Insta blobbing to 3-4:1 4. Nowhere to be seen 5. Well they used to have stabs but... Could you tell me what I do wrong? (Yes, its ok to say I suck too) Another question as well: On how many members did you run this contract? Your usual low numbers (15-20?) or have you expanded or even decreased in members? Also, what do you think about the new WCS? Nano-ships! Cheers, Lowa Well we just kill ships to get those numbers hehe ;) Just after midnight a few mins after this thread was made, we jumped 7 of us into a 30+ fla fleet that had 2 large bubbles on the gate for us, half of us jumped into the bubbles and half was on their side already, with very good teamwork and pilots of course :) We ended up killing 6 bs,s + 23 sup ships. Thats pretty much how we get numbers :) We have about 15 active members wich is more then normal for us and like 10 online at best. VERY good fights indeed. Not to put down the excellent tactics, coordiation and everything else Burn eden has to offer.. I will sort of contradict the numbers a tad (probably worse for us actually but meh).. The actual battle that started at 00:35.. Heinky BURN EDEN Arnold Swartzenegger BURN EDEN Captain Rick**** BURN EDEN Masta Killa BURN EDEN ETS4ME BURN EDEN duece duece BURN EDEN SATAN BURN EDEN neutrals that took part in battle MEISTERderPUPPEN Deep Core Mining Inc. heavensfire United Allies they lost 1 x battleship we lost 4 x T1 frigates 2 x T2 interceptors 2 x covops (....) 11 x T1 cruisers 2 x battlecruisers 5 x battleships Moral of the story.. T1 frigates and cruisers go pop, when direct fire is placed upon them, leave them at home or fit differently, battleships fitted with T1 hardware or for ratting are very very very baddd to bring to fights against a T2 fitted VERY competent gang, and large bubbles do not always mean you win.. oh btw sensor dampeners suck.. ;) I must say Burn Eden has been very professional in local and even with our losses, I'm still proud of how FLA has come out to fight, night after night after night. There is no better learning then doing and dying, now if we can get the dying part stopped, well.... kudo's BE I is Goca
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:44:00 - [84] Originally by: HostageTaker Everytime I see a post from you, I think of the time I saw you on EvE TV and I giggle like a little school girl. I barely said anything there, and the little I said was like, the greasy host guy asking me what I thought about a fight that I fell asleep while watching.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:49:00 - [85] Originally by: TasmanianX He's right, just ask FIX. Congrats on your kills though, I'm sure you made someone very happy killing all those poor ravens. Anyone else get that feeling that BE wanted to feel big and important in all of this, and managed to get fantastic stats against the wrong people ! Anyway, take a number, IRON will get back to you when we feel like it. I saw IRON down south recently, and your t1 cruisers and inties really showed me the awesome fury of the dreaded IRON alliance. Our precision cruise are waiting eagerly for you noobs to come crawling back to our new region, deklein. But knowing IRON, you won't show yourselves for at least another month, just to make sure we've left our space.
TasmanianX E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: TasmanianX He's right, just ask FIX. Congrats on your kills though, I'm sure you made someone very happy killing all those poor ravens. Anyone else get that feeling that BE wanted to feel big and important in all of this, and managed to get fantastic stats against the wrong people ! Anyway, take a number, IRON will get back to you when we feel like it. I saw IRON down south recently, and your t1 cruisers and inties really showed me the awesome fury of the dreaded IRON alliance. Our precision cruise are waiting eagerly for you noobs to come crawling back to our new region, deklein. But knowing IRON, you won't show yourselves for at least another month, just to make sure we've left our space. Iron is busy, please call back later.
Skeltek Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:56:00 - [87] I have three questions: Does Burn Eden have any "residents" of any kind? Does Burnd Eden have an industrial arm(not in a secret alt corp)? If they really have ever decided to take care and protect some non-PvP players(most other major alliances have industry and a lot of carebears), would they be able to protect them? Imho the answer is no. Burn Eden is PvP mostly; in comparison to other alliances/corporations, it is not hard to keep losses low if you are a PvP corp yourself. And besides, owing your "success" to the wcs nerf like you say... I would just like to remind you of your own standard Raven fittings back then. I myself fought against Burn Eden a lot of times. I agree, the efficiency of your 200km gatecamping Ravens is huge(losses very unlikely), but I am still looking for the day when you don¦t insta-warp when a good PvP gang jumps in and approaches you. And btw... scouting the other side of the gate using a noob-corp altchar(like I usualy saw it) also helps not even having a scoutloss on the killboard. kind regards, Skeltek ps: maybe my point of view is limited, but I never had any other contact with you guys except for the occassional Raven-gatecaping at 200km... so I am sorry, perhaps I just never happened to meet any different gang of yours. If you are really that proud of your skills, why don¦t we arrange a match of some kind one day? 20vs20 or something ^^
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:57:00 - [88] Nice stats, nothing more and nothing less. :)
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.08 08:01:00 - [89] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: Masta Killa We are death You guys are the next m0o, oh wait... m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp. Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at. That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them. Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers? Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them. Let the flaming begin, it's fun. That was a joke, I guess you don't read the forums much these days? -=====-
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.08 08:05:00 - [90] Originally by: Skeltek I have three questions: Does Burn Eden have any "residents" of any kind? Does Burnd Eden have an industrial arm(not in a secret alt corp)? If they really have ever decided to take care and protect some non-PvP players(most other major alliances have industry and a lot of carebears), would they be able to protect them? Imho the answer is no. Burn Eden is PvP mostly; in comparison to other alliances/corporations, it is not hard to keep losses low if you are a PvP corp yourself. And besides, owing your "success" to the wcs nerf like you say... I would just like to remind you of your own standard Raven fittings back then. I myself fought against Burn Eden a lot of times. I agree, the efficiency of your 200km gatecamping Ravens is huge(losses very unlikely), but I am still looking for the day when you don¦t insta-warp when a good PvP gang jumps in and approaches you. And btw... scouting the other side of the gate using a noob-corp altchar(like I usualy saw it) also helps not even having a scoutloss on the killboard. kind regards, Skeltek ps: maybe my point of view is limited, but I never had any other contact with you guys except for the occassional Raven-gatecaping at 200km... so I am sorry, perhaps I just never happened to meet any different gang of yours. If you are really that proud of your skills, why don¦t we arrange a match of some kind one day? 20vs20 or something ^^ First of all we have no industrial arm, nor do we live anywhere. We support ourselves from PVP loot. This means minimising losses and maximising loot. So all these times you've seen us gank (you almost make it out like its a bad thing) we are making isk. We have nobody to protect, and view that as a strength not a weakness. Its not hard to keep losses low, but who in this game is as efficient as we are? When it comes to fights, you are hard pressed to find ppl who will admit to loosing 20 ships to 4 of us, but it happens. Just because we wouldn't jump our X battleships into your specifically setup gatecamp doesn't mean we suck. Sure we will gank your carebears but when it comes to proper pvp, we come out on top almost every time! No matter how much you put us down, you can't change these simple facts.

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