Originally by: Zafriel

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Nice one, thats an impressive death toll.

Is deklein alliance ran or is it just a group of loosly tied corps?

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Quote:

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Secondly advanced drone interfacing modules can only be fitted to titans.

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Originally by: FotoFlame

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Enjoy it while it lasts, we'll be home soon.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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My favourite statistic though is that we killed 7 cov-ops ships (non-bombers) and all 7 cov-ops cloaks got destroyed!!

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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ALT corp dictor losses are included.

Oh yeah and a big thumbs down to everyone who logged at one point or another.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Mining barge 0/ 0

Shin Ra
BURN EDEN

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Originally by: Sextus Licinius

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Great stats! Did they fought back, f1 f2 f3.. kinda thingy?

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Originally by: Laboratus

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Impressive.
Very good stats.
Do you have an ISK assesment of the damage?

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Originally by: Montaire

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Mining barge 0/ 0

Shin Ra
BURN EDEN

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This at least shows a lot as well. Is the contract over ?

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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We are death

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Originally by: MysticNZ

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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We are death

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You guys are the next m0o, oh wait...

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Originally by: Lowa

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Impressive!

I dont doubt that you are good but tbfh where do you even find 100+ BS that will
run into you/get cought/come out to fight (not all at the same time) etc?
I mean, I see vids and stats and stuff of people getting killed left and right
and I have never ever (well almost) found these ppl. The once I found are either:
1. Insta logging
2. Insta POS jumping
3. Insta blobbing to 3-4:1
4. Nowhere to be seen
5. Well they used to have stabs but...

Could you tell me what I do wrong? (Yes, its ok to say I suck too)

Another question as well: On how many members did you run this contract?
Your usual low numbers (15-20?) or have you expanded or even decreased in members?

Also, what do you think about the new WCS? Nano-ships!


Cheers,
Lowa

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Originally by: Lowa

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Impressive!

I dont doubt that you are good but tbfh where do you even find 100+ BS that will
run into you/get cought/come out to fight (not all at the same time) etc?
I mean, I see vids and stats and stuff of people getting killed left and right
and I have never ever (well almost) found these ppl. The once I found are either:
1. Insta logging
2. Insta POS jumping
3. Insta blobbing to 3-4:1
4. Nowhere to be seen
5. Well they used to have stabs but...

Could you tell me what I do wrong? (Yes, its ok to say I suck too)

Another question as well: On how many members did you run this contract?
Your usual low numbers (15-20?) or have you expanded or even decreased in members?

Also, what do you think about the new WCS? Nano-ships!


Cheers,
Lowa

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Originally by: Cerridwehn Odessa

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Do you plan on taking your POS down before IRON returns to the north? I think that would be a fun fight, 60+ IRON pvp fleet vs 15 BE and POS. Might be a bit different compared to the FLA fight.

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Originally by: Connen

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couple screenies to back this up.. http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wreckedua1.jpg

enjoy.

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Originally by: SATAN

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We have 15 active members at the moment, if we get a gang of 10 going that is a fleet for us. Nothing stands in our way when that happens, nothing.

We are use to engaging 5:1 or better, we look forward to it. If you dont engage those odds, then you have not had fun in EvE yet.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?

Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Zafriel

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Nice one, thats an impressive death toll.

Is deklein alliance ran or is it just a group of loosly tied corps?

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Several larger alliances control the stations. Several smaller alliances live there. Several pirate corps send ganksquads through there.

We killed them all.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Zafriel

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Nice one, thats an impressive death toll.

Is deklein alliance ran or is it just a group of loosly tied corps?

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Several larger alliances control the stations. Several smaller alliances live there. Several pirate corps send ganksquads through there.

We killed them all.

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Actually, you killed a malediction and hurricane of ours, we killed a raven of yours.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/01/2007 00:17:33
One week ago, BURN EDEN began a contract against the residents of Deklein. One week into the campaign, and the results amazed us. This was by far the most devastating week of killing in our entire history. To what do we owe this success to? THE WCS NERF!!!

The following results are from 00:00 1st Jan û 23:59 7th Jan EVE time:

edit: damnation wrong account

Results:
Ship class K/ L
Assault frigate 9/ 0
Battlecruiser 29/ 0
Battleship 114/ 2
Capsule97/ 1
Carrier 1/0
Command ship 3/ 0
Covert ops 9/ 1
Cruiser35/ 0
Destroyer 1/ 0
Exhumer1/0
Frigate36/ 0
Heavy assault 3/ 0
Industrial 14/ 0
Interceptor 14/ 1
Interdictor 3/ 5
Logistics 1/ 0
Mining barge 0/ 0
Recon ship 2/ 0
Shuttle8/ 0
Transport 5/ 0

Notes:
113 battleships kills in 1 week says it all. ALT corp dictor losses are included.

The carrier kill was possibly one of the best planned kills ever with myself feeling the need to utter the words ôI love it when a plan comes togetherö afterwards.

Kudos to FLA for trying to fight us almost every day this week. The other alliances seemed content with hiding in POSÆ most of the time.

Oh yeah and a big thumbs down to everyone who logged at one point or another.

As you can see, the WCS nerf has had no negative effects on us. Infact, it has actually been a great boost!

Shin Ra
BURN EDEN

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Zafriel

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Nice one, thats an impressive death toll.

Is deklein alliance ran or is it just a group of loosly tied corps?

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Several larger alliances control the stations. Several smaller alliances live there. Several pirate corps send ganksquads through there.

We killed them all.

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Actually, you killed a malediction and hurricane of ours, we killed a raven of yours.

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You killed nothing of ours during the week in question. We may or may not have killed some small stuff of yours.

The previous week you killed one of our ravens, the one and only time you guys ever pulled this off.

Considering your track record against us, its a bit premature for you to come out smacking us.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Damn what happens to all those people whose self esteem doesnt depend on eve then?

Oh right, I'm asking in the wrong place

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Originally by: Samiloth Justinian

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I have never seen a gang of people so eager to jump into a fight even when they are outnumbered. Great fights BE :)

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 08/01/2007 02:40:03

Originally by: SATAN

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We have 15 active members at the moment, if we get a gang of 10 going that is a fleet for us. Nothing stands in our way when that happens, nothing.

We are use to engaging 5:1 or better, we look forward to it. If you dont engage those odds, then you have not had fun in EvE yet.

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Really? Before this little ISS business started we tracked your 10man gang down from Deklein...the thing that stopped you was the large warp bubble. Your scout saw it and you did a 180.
Maybe Branch is off limits to you. Either way, we didnt out number you 2-1 and you didnt make it through Y-1.

If you had...there was plenty of ppl waiting to play with you in 1ix as well ;)

Edit: they are good stats btw, but many of us manning those camps were eager to play with Burn Eden...and were a little dissapointed

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Originally by: SATAN

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UDIE has been to these areas about 4 or 5 times now to get some killing done, and every single time the same old story gets told.

"Just wait, you wait when my big brother gets home you are gonna get it, I mean it. He is a bad mofo, and he fly's a crow or something else insignificant."

Get over it iron has no pvp capability, all they have is a frigate gank squad that is capable of killing lone targets while having them outnumbered 20:1. In the past we have waited long and hard for these big bad mofo's to come home. And when they do they die just like everyone else, except they smack more.

Just make sure when they get here, that they fit nice loot on their frigs.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Where was this?

We took a trip all the way up north to CZ looked around, and everything was docked. So we turned around and went back to find trouble elsewhere.

Were you a few jumps up? If so, thats too bad our scouts didnt go that far up. Would have been nice to find someone else but FLA to fight.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Get over it iron has no pvp capability, all they have is a frigate gank squad that is capable of killing lone targets while having them outnumbered 20:1. In the past we have waited long and hard for these big bad mofo's to come home. And when they do they die just like everyone else, except they smack more.

Just make sure when they get here, that they fit nice loot on their frigs.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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So, uhmm, any movies from these 5:1 fights coming, per chance? ^^;

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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so do burn eden still

fabricate kill mails ?
Yes - when NPCs steal our mails, we fabricate them
use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ?
Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats
never post their own deaths
If they were reimbursed, no
feel that every ship they shoot at should die so manufacture kill mails to show this ( often posting kill mail mails showing a char has lost full load out of II equip when said char is 5 months off fly9ing with any t II equip ) ?
We fabricte killmails we don't recieve due to bugs or NPCs. If said mail happens to be copied from a t2 fitted ship and yours was t1, boo hoo. Give us the killmail when we ask for it and that won't happen

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Originally by: Celestal

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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so do burn eden still

fabricate kill mails ?
Yes - when NPCs steal our mails, we fabricate them
use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ?
Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats
never post their own deaths
If they were reimbursed, no
feel that every ship they shoot at should die so manufacture kill mails to show this ( often posting kill mail mails showing a char has lost full load out of II equip when said char is 5 months off fly9ing with any t II equip ) ?
We fabricte killmails we don't recieve due to bugs or NPCs. If said mail happens to be copied from a t2 fitted ship and yours was t1, boo hoo. Give us the killmail when we ask for it and that won't happen

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LOL

i say again LOL

and in case you dont get it LOOL LOL LOL

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Originally by: Celestal

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hmm your titan `kill` wasnt in any of the above , please explain ( we need a giggle my daughters hamster died )

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Originally by: j0sephine

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So, uhmm, any movies from these 5:1 fights coming, per chance? ^^;

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: MysticNZ

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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We are death

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You guys are the next m0o, oh wait...

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m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp.
Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at.
That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them.

Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers?


Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them.

Let the flaming begin, it's fun.

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Originally by: HostageTaker

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: MysticNZ

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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We are death

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You guys are the next m0o, oh wait...

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m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp.
Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at.
That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them.

Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers?


Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them.

Let the flaming begin, it's fun.

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Everytime I see a post from you, I think of the time I saw you on EvE TV and I giggle like a little school girl.

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Originally by: HostageTaker

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: MysticNZ

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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We are death

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You guys are the next m0o, oh wait...

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m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp.
Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at.
That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them.

Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers?


Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them.

Let the flaming begin, it's fun.

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Everytime I see a post from you, I think of the time I saw you on EvE TV and I giggle like a little school girl.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ?
Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats

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Originally by: Mirauder

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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use alts to tackle etc so if they die be show now loss ?
Yes but not for that reason - still include them on our posted stats

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BS... I popped your scrambling noob corp frig and you have reported 0 frig losses...

Edit: Oh... Suddenly there is 1 frig lost... Wonder how that appeared?

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Originally by: Heinky

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Edited by: Heinky on 08/01/2007 02:10:12

Originally by: Lowa

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Impressive!

I dont doubt that you are good but tbfh where do you even find 100+ BS that will
run into you/get cought/come out to fight (not all at the same time) etc?
I mean, I see vids and stats and stuff of people getting killed left and right
and I have never ever (well almost) found these ppl. The once I found are either:
1. Insta logging
2. Insta POS jumping
3. Insta blobbing to 3-4:1
4. Nowhere to be seen
5. Well they used to have stabs but...

Could you tell me what I do wrong? (Yes, its ok to say I suck too)

Another question as well: On how many members did you run this contract?
Your usual low numbers (15-20?) or have you expanded or even decreased in members?

Also, what do you think about the new WCS? Nano-ships!


Cheers,
Lowa

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Well we just kill ships to get those numbers hehe ;)

Just after midnight a few mins after this thread was made, we jumped 7 of us into a 30+ fla fleet that had 2 large bubbles on the gate for us, half of us jumped into the bubbles and half was on their side already, with very good teamwork and pilots of course :) We ended up killing 6 bs,s + 23 sup ships. Thats pretty much how we get numbers :)


We have about 15 active members wich is more then normal for us and like 10 online at best.

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Originally by: HostageTaker

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Everytime I see a post from you, I think of the time I saw you on EvE TV and I giggle like a little school girl.

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Originally by: TasmanianX

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He's right, just ask FIX.



Congrats on your kills though, I'm sure you made someone very happy killing all those poor ravens.

Anyone else get that feeling that BE wanted to feel big and important in all of this, and managed to get fantastic stats against the wrong people !

Anyway, take a number, IRON will get back to you when we feel like it.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: TasmanianX

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He's right, just ask FIX.



Congrats on your kills though, I'm sure you made someone very happy killing all those poor ravens.

Anyone else get that feeling that BE wanted to feel big and important in all of this, and managed to get fantastic stats against the wrong people !

Anyway, take a number, IRON will get back to you when we feel like it.

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I saw IRON down south recently, and your t1 cruisers and inties really showed me the awesome fury of the dreaded IRON alliance.

Our precision cruise are waiting eagerly for you noobs to come crawling back to our new region, deklein.

But knowing IRON, you won't show yourselves for at least another month, just to make sure we've left our space.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: MysticNZ

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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We are death

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You guys are the next m0o, oh wait...

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m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp.
Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at.
That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them.

Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers?


Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them.

Let the flaming begin, it's fun.

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Originally by: Skeltek

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I have three questions:
Does Burn Eden have any "residents" of any kind?
Does Burnd Eden have an industrial arm(not in a secret alt corp)?
If they really have ever decided to take care and protect some non-PvP players(most other major alliances have industry and a lot of carebears), would they be able to protect them?

Imho the answer is no. Burn Eden is PvP mostly; in comparison to other alliances/corporations, it is not hard to keep losses low if you are a PvP corp yourself.

And besides, owing your "success" to the wcs nerf like you say... I would just like to remind you of your own standard Raven fittings back then.
I myself fought against Burn Eden a lot of times. I agree, the efficiency of your 200km gatecamping Ravens is huge(losses very unlikely), but I am still looking for the day when you don¦t insta-warp when a good PvP gang jumps in and approaches you. And btw... scouting the other side of the gate using a noob-corp altchar(like I usualy saw it) also helps not even having a scoutloss on the killboard.

kind regards, Skeltek


ps: maybe my point of view is limited, but I never had any other contact with you guys except for the occassional Raven-gatecaping at 200km... so I am sorry, perhaps I just never happened to meet any different gang of yours.

If you are really that proud of your skills, why don¦t we arrange a match of some kind one day? 20vs20 or something ^^

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: MysticNZ

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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We are death

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You guys are the next m0o, oh wait...

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m0o were and are a pile of noobs whose reputation was formed on killing people when no one knew anything about pvp.
Then they found a new niche in pvp which many of their induvidual members are still at.
That niche is of course ganking smaller gangs and safing up/logging when the bigger ones come for them.

Guerrilla fighting is very fun and all (I used to have a vaga ) but what's guerilla fighting next to charging a fleet right in the face with 1/5th of their numbers?


Comparing UDIE to m0o is an insult to us, regardless of how much all these people who lost ospreys to them 3 years ago respect them.

Let the flaming begin, it's fun.

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Originally by: SATAN

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UDIE has been to these areas about 4 or 5 times now to get some killing done, and every single time the same old story gets told.

"Just wait, you wait when my big brother gets home you are gonna get it, I mean it. He is a bad mofo, and he fly's a crow or something else insignificant."

Get over it iron has no pvp capability, all they have is a frigate gank squad that is capable of killing lone targets while having them outnumbered 20:1. In the past we have waited long and hard for these big bad mofo's to come home. And when they do they die just like everyone else, except they smack more.

Just make sure when they get here, that they fit nice loot on their frigs.

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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I have to admit, impressive kills.

Whose included in them? Anyone in Deklein? I'd be interested to see how many IRON pilots were in those stats.

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Edited by: DeadDuck on 08/01/2007 04:05:18

Originally by: Samiloth Justinian

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I have never seen a gang of people so eager to jump into a fight even when they are outnumbered. Great fights BE :)

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Are you saying that they actually jumped into one of your gate camps fighting on close distance ?? or when you say "jump" you are actually saying that they have shown them selves at 150Km-200Km and engaged you ??

PS: Honest question no intention to flame

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Originally by: Petite Pierre

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Edited by: Petite Pierre on 08/01/2007 00:21:23
So you killed some npcers, ey?

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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you never post their own deaths
If they were reimbursed, no

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Originally by: Darknesss

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People mostly congratulate you and you yourselves turn it into a smackfest. Your stats are nice, you hurt the little guys, but in the greater scheme of things Burn Eden cant do any real damage to anyone significant. We may have our limits atm but its limits were working on, for you guys to say you own everything and everyone is just laughable.

For me i respect people like IRON far more, because they show balls, sure they blob, sure they smack, but they go up close and personal like we do. If stats and loot were all we cared about we could do exactly what you do, but i find it dry pvp and unsatisfying in every sense of the word.

So again nice stats, i cant take that away from you, but the you > all thing not true. If you stayed in any one area for more than a week its likely the residents would wise to your tactics and beat them, but of course you move around alot.

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Originally by: Angelus X

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Kudos, some very nice stats, regardless of who you were fighting against, but I personally have a big problem with this..

Originally by: Shin Ra

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you never post their own deaths
If they were reimbursed, no

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If one of your targets happened to have his ship reimbursed from a petition, would you have the killmail removed from your board also?

If everyone did this can you imagine the constant headache? e.g. XX corp saying they killed 5 BS of YY corp, YY corp saying they had 3/5 BS reimbursed, XX corp saying YY corp is lying about the number of BS reimbursed, YY/XX corp adding/removing killmails willynilly from their own boards and causing a real f**k up on linked killboards, all the while CCP refusing to comment on the situation?

If you claim to have an accurate contract report, as all decent merc corps I think do, you should post all your mails, regardless of whether you had the ship and some of the modules reimbursed.

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Originally by: Connen

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Edited by: Connen on 08/01/2007 02:31:31
screen to back Heinky up.. http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wreckedua1.jpg

enjoy.

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Originally by: Voculus

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The smack coming outta satan and Masta is a riot. It's shame you clowns can't put those T2 stabs to use anymore. Have fun ganking the bears while the getting is good. When the time comes for the piwates to leave Deklein, I'll remember this troll thread.

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Originally by: Karunel

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Edited by: Karunel on 08/01/2007 13:29:20
"114 NPCers lost their battleships during the making of this statistic."

Impressive stats tho, grats.

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Originally by: FotoFlame

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Enjoy it while it lasts, we'll be home soon.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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People mostly congratulate you and you yourselves turn it into a smackfest. Your stats are nice, you hurt the little guys, but in the greater scheme of things Burn Eden cant do any real damage to anyone significant. We may have our limits atm but its limits were working on, for you guys to say you own everything and everyone is just laughable.

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: Darknesss

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People mostly congratulate you and you yourselves turn it into a smackfest. Your stats are nice, you hurt the little guys, but in the greater scheme of things Burn Eden cant do any real damage to anyone significant. We may have our limits atm but its limits were working on, for you guys to say you own everything and everyone is just laughable.

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Eh FLA wouldn't be living in the north if it wasn't for UDIE and Alektrophobia, now they have 2 outposts and field 40 ppl fleets like nothing.
Before FLA's enemies gave up trying to take their station UDIE and Alektro had done most of the work needed to take over the VFK station for good.

How's that for real damage?

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Edited by: Grim Faust on 08/01/2007 20:36:25

Originally by: Patch86

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Dude, its a Wiki- anyone can change it! Even you!

Miracles of technology, eh?

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ORLY?
Just because anyone can change it, doesn't mean it has to be discredited or necessarily incorrect. It would be rude to change it on that person without telling them and usually you'd think someone within the corp of the named history would know what's what. You see there is this section where you can view who authored the last rendition of the article so people can't randomly muck up stories annonymously.

Miracles of technology, eh?

*COUGH*

Oh , you're in FLA too.

*removes fangs*

*grumbles*

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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Originally by: Grim Faust

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Edited by: Grim Faust on 08/01/2007 21:20:32

Originally by: Masta Killa

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I'll send you 10k ingame when I get a chance and you can go buy some named clues =|

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You put the 'Burn' in Burn Eden. >_<

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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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Hehehe, I was in m0o many moons ago, and your corp was actually round the gehi area in its early days. I remember killing one of your scorps with 5 ECM Bursts and a medium shield booster on..

m0o would of farted and BE would of died. Alot of m0o members are in bob now

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Originally by: Captain Rick****

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Edited by: Captain Rick**** on 09/01/2007 00:14:28
OMG i have to speak, We only gank npcers??? Look we kill alot of npcers. The big thing about this is though we dont miss any. Everything we come across gets killed and anyone, we are not fussy and like any nbsi corp that goes hunting to find kills corps most of there kills will be npcers.

Now like any real pvp corp of this style will know and any that put in some real playtimes in game and exclusivly spend that time pvping. And by that i mean i play 5-8 hours a day 5 days a week and all i have done in this game in the last year is look for people to kill.

How often do you really come across another gang of pvpers never mind one that will fight you?. You have to agree with me the answer is not enough, and the time you spend looking for those fights I certainly as anyone who has come across me will know will never shy away from them.

Burn eden are no differnet so please bring the real pvpers you all tell us about, you all know where we are i wish i had this luxury over the last year if i had not have been blue to these guys atleast i would have know where to find a fight!.

Ok fair play before i get the i have better things to do other than kill Burn Eden fair play. Alliances i understand want to acheive bigger things in game and make there names in other ways so lets leave them replies out. But i know if i had the chance to take my corp out to kill a fleet of one the corps i respect for being good pvpers!

I would be right there!

Then right here posting my stats!

Followed by....... alot of smack!

Ritchie.

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Originally by: mishkof

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Killing a bunch of ratters in the NAP soaked North....impressive.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/01/2007 05:40:55
To what do we owe this success to? THE WCS NERF!!!

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Originally by: LoveKebab

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 08/01/2007 05:40:55
To what do we owe this success to? THE WCS NERF!!!

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u were all in ravens ? damps, javelin torps.... stabs ? becouse i cant see many loses on ur side :D oups, did i said that out loud ? ;p

(that's what i remembers from Tenal: 2 ravens with javelin torps, sensor dampeners and low slots packed with stabs :>)

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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I've only read up until this post, so forgive me if somone has already mentioned this, but i quite clearly remember chasing a bunch of Burn Eden members around the Gehi area who had horrible battleship setups and wouldn't stay for a fight if concord was on their side. We had just as many "fleet fight" kills as npc kills and more often than not engaged outnumbered and outgunned.

In the end your just jealous that m0o will always be a name to remember. And we didn't get ours from lying.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/01/2007 05:31:43

Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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I've only read up until this post, so forgive me if somone has already mentioned this, but i quite clearly remember chasing a bunch of Burn Eden members around the Gehi area who had horrible battleship setups and wouldn't stay for a fight if concord was on their side. We had just as many "fleet fight" kills as npc kills and more often than not engaged outnumbered and outgunned.

In the end your just jealous that m0o will always be a name to remember. And we didn't get ours from lying.

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And now your dead!

Score 1 for me.

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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I've only read up until this post, so forgive me if somone has already mentioned this, but i quite clearly remember chasing a bunch of Burn Eden members around the Gehi area who had horrible battleship setups and wouldn't stay for a fight if concord was on their side. We had just as many "fleet fight" kills as npc kills and more often than not engaged outnumbered and outgunned.

In the end your just jealous that m0o will always be a name to remember. And we didn't get ours from lying.

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/01/2007 05:31:43

Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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I've only read up until this post, so forgive me if somone has already mentioned this, but i quite clearly remember chasing a bunch of Burn Eden members around the Gehi area who had horrible battleship setups and wouldn't stay for a fight if concord was on their side. We had just as many "fleet fight" kills as npc kills and more often than not engaged outnumbered and outgunned.

In the end your just jealous that m0o will always be a name to remember. And we didn't get ours from lying.

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And now your dead!

Score 1 for me.

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the m0o boys played together for a full 3 years before we split. you've been in UDIE for what? a year? Play another 2 and we'll see where you are then. until then just get over the fact that m0o is still better than you in the eyes of everyone (excluding your delusional self of course)

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Originally by: Ather Ialeas

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Originally by: WETRAIN

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AKULA get a grip and get laid or smthing... the north is always quiet for a short period :)

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Wasn't it called "the curse of Venal" or smth...or was it Tenal, I always get those two mixed up.

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Originally by: Egne Ver

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Then TRI æs we are uber
Triumvirate war decs FLA to get easy kills
Triumvirate war dec D2 only after making sure the D2 fleet is otherwise occupied
Triumvirate will probably war dec my 5 man corp to help their bruised egos, since they need to beat up on children to feel good about themselves.

BE uses tactics nobody likes
TRI are weak *****es that pick on weaker groups to feel good about being so weak.

Oh and if the ôweak are consumed by the strongö BS was true your neighbors would have put an apple in your mouth and roasted you long ago.

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Originally by: Egne Ver

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I have been reading the forums (why I have no idea) what I see is ôwe are the uber, we kill Deklien.ö
We want good fights, us strongà
Then you wait until the strong pvp groups are at war/on a trip to attack a region with carebears left in it. LMAO
Yes I can beat the **** out of all my neighbors kids at once should I then declare I am the greatest fighter ever!!
BE: Props FLA, thanks for padding our killboard. Nobody else will fight IRON & D2 hide
D2: umm we donÆt live in Deklien and we are a little busy killing ISS
IRON: we are not in the north right now
TRI: Yea FLA keeps coming back, but they suck (ie stop stealing our easy kills you meanie)
BE: IRON is afraid and wont come out they sit in station
IRON: we are in the south, ffs listen
FLA: yes we donÆt give up, we will over run you
TRI: yea we can kill FLA real good, we killed one of your ships too
BE: nobody can kill our ships it was a bug, we kill all IRON and FLA
IRON: we are not in the north, is this thing on, ffs am I taking crazy pills
And on and on

Then TRI æs we are uber
Triumvirate war decs FLA to get easy kills
Triumvirate war dec D2 only after making sure the D2 fleet is otherwise occupied
Triumvirate will probably war dec my 5 man corp to help their bruised egos, since they need to beat up on children to feel good about themselves.

BE uses tactics nobody likes
TRI are weak *****es that pick on weaker groups to feel good about being so weak.

Oh and if the ôweak are consumed by the strongö BS was true your neighbors would have put an apple in your mouth and roasted you long ago.

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Originally by: Dracolich

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I am confused, wasn't Burn Eden, the fenix alliance 3 years ago, SATAN? I believe my corp back then was one of the first war decs from Burn Eden.

As I recall it, the fenix alliance got dismantled by Celestial Apocalypse, then SolApathy created Burn Eden, and a bunch of tfa joined like Hellspawn(you), Fragm, and later a very young Shin Ra(think sept 04, when I checked his employment in december 04 in Fountain).

Nonetheless BE has proven itself many times over, with the few men it has. I do think it would be more popular, if people such as yourself, SATAN were a frontman, but maybe your corp wants another public image.

3 years ago, Eve was a totally different game, and M0o was on top of it. BE has many similarities to M0o, but I do think you lack personalities such as Lord Zap, TWD etc. Another M0o is impossible with todays game mechanics, but you come pretty close in the fear factor department. Needless to say you are better PvP'ers, but aren't we all?

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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As you can see, the WCS nerf has had no negative effects on us. Infact, it has actually been a great boost!

Shin Ra
BURN EDEN

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Originally by: prsr

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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As you can see, the WCS nerf has had no negative effects on us. Infact, it has actually been a great boost!

Shin Ra
BURN EDEN

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Now, don't you feel silly for flying around wasting low slots all that time?

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Originally by: Dekiri

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No worries Shin Ra you wont be liked to much =p

I still think you guys are very entertaining though.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Dekiri

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No worries Shin Ra you wont be liked to much =p

I still think you guys are very entertaining though.

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So like are u some kind of wanabee merc corp? I have no idea who you are but if I ever see you in space I will verbally own you in local before demonstrating why you suck at pvp.

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Edited by: Dekiri on 09/01/2007 13:47:48

Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Dekiri

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No worries Shin Ra you wont be liked to much =p

I still think you guys are very entertaining though.

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So like are u some kind of wanabee merc corp? I have no idea who you are but if I ever see you in space I will verbally own you in local before demonstrating why you suck at pvp.

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Unlike you i never claimed to be a PvP-god, i am a team player and not even the best of those, so everything but total ownage from your side would mean you lost.
Verbal "ownage" is very subjective though, but you are doing a pretty good job at owning yourself all over on the forums so i doubt you will have problems owning me, especially since the only indicator you would use for winning is your personal observation.

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Originally by: Gibmundur

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i am weak and stuff help

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Gibmundur

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i am weak and stuff help

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Thats probably cause you hang around Masta too much.

Oh yeah aren't celes dead too? Being dead is never a good thing.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Gibmundur

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i am weak and stuff help

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Thats probably cause you hang around Masta too much.

Oh yeah aren't celes dead too? Being dead is never a good thing.

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LOL this thread was very nice at start. Now it is just sad. You ruin on the forum reputation your corp members build in game.

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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With all due respect Triumvirate have far more balls that UDIE will ever have.

Reasons

They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They don't declare was on someone who is not home.

Of the stats that got posted. Make of it what you will. IRON's stats for that same period are a lot more impressive, and no were not shooting carebears. Were shooting people who regulary put it on the line, and will stand and fight and can shoot back at us :o Nooooo you say! Yes indeed our enemies shoot back. :s

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Originally by: taylor04

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i love the fact shin ra is very touchy made me laugh tbh.....
regarding tri burn edan bring it to us not the npcers!
do some close range fights then we will see who comes out on top...eh?

instead everytime i see you guys your uncloackin 50km + off the gate with wcs writen all over your face

Besides that your stats are very good but fight someone who knows what there doing !

TRIUMVIRATE FTW

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Originally by: Naldo

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Burn Eden need jump drives to get about these days as their heads are too big to fit through stargates.

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Originally by: SATAN

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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Originally by: SATAN

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Need to get a couple of things cleared up here.

Masta smack's, he loves it, he cant live without it.

As for my self I do not smack, I state facts. Iron's PvP consists of mainly frigates(t2/t1) and hacs, if you see a BS in there then its a special day.

mOo was good, I dont care what anyone else says about it. Were they uber? No, sorry, I found Zombie to be a much more capable bunch. And they would both get spanked by us, facts are facts we have been doing it for much longer than any of them at this point. If they were still around and fighting the way they did originaly then they would probably be very good.

Our kills were mostly in fights, if you consider engaging fleets while heavily outnumbered as killing NPC'rs then I guess we killed alot of those.

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I've only read up until this post, so forgive me if somone has already mentioned this, but i quite clearly remember chasing a bunch of Burn Eden members around the Gehi area who had horrible battleship setups and wouldn't stay for a fight if concord was on their side. We had just as many "fleet fight" kills as npc kills and more often than not engaged outnumbered and outgunned.

In the end your just jealous that m0o will always be a name to remember. And we didn't get ours from lying.

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And as I have already answered to another mOo past glory warrior, that was a totaly diferent bunch of pilots whom were noobs by mOo standards back then.

The members in UDIE now have been playing together for over 3 years now, much longer than the guys in mOo.

Not jealous one bit, mOo was a great corp in its time, the original members were innovators, and the people in EvE trembled when they flew past, they were great. There is nothing anyone can ever do or say that will make people feel otherwise.

However when other corps like Zombie, and later us came around mOo was not so special anymore. In fact they were just average when compared. Whether this is because the original bunch left the newer recruits sucked, or just because they were not that good to begin with no one will ever know.

But what we will know is for the last 2+ years UDIE has killed more than mOo ever has, day in and day out.

UDIE does not run from outnumbered fights, no matter what the odds we will try it, mOo did, fact is they ran from us while outnumbering us severly claiming it was "no fun" to fight us.

UDIE has had many old members retire and new ones sign up and we are stronger than ever not weaker like mOo got.

And last but not least UDIE adapts, which is something mOo never did. When CCP brought the nerfs to the things they did, mOo never recovered. Instead your gangs just got larger and larger, to try and retain your top of the food chain status. In the end mOo was flying around in 30 man gangs, I respected the 5 man gangs that Zap ran much more. If there was a 30 man UDIE gang flying around, it would take an ACT of BoB to stand in our way, nothing more nothing less.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Zafriel

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Nice one, thats an impressive death toll.

Is deklein alliance ran or is it just a group of loosly tied corps?

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Several larger alliances control the stations. Several smaller alliances live there. Several pirate corps send ganksquads through there.

We killed them all.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: prsr

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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As you can see, the WCS nerf has had no negative effects on us. Infact, it has actually been a great boost!

Shin Ra
BURN EDEN

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Now, don't you feel silly for flying around wasting low slots all that time?

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Not at all, so long as we are on par with our enemies we always come out on top.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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With all due respect Triumvirate have far more balls that UDIE will ever have.

Reasons

They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They don't declare was on someone who is not home.

Of the stats that got posted. Make of it what you will. IRON's stats for that same period are a lot more impressive, and no were not shooting carebears. Were shooting people who regulary put it on the line, and will stand and fight and can shoot back at us :o Nooooo you say! Yes indeed our enemies shoot back. :s

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So your 723 man alliance killed more than our 25 man corp?

Does that seriously surprise you?

You killed 118 battleships while we killed 114. Now, considering you have 28 times as many players as we do, thats pretty poor.

Furthermore, we lost 2 battleships, while you lost 45.

So what kind of twisted mathematics are your applying to come up with this drivel about having more impressive stats than us?

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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With all due respect Triumvirate have far more balls that UDIE will ever have.

Reasons

They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They don't declare was on someone who is not home.

Of the stats that got posted. Make of it what you will. IRON's stats for that same period are a lot more impressive, and no were not shooting carebears. Were shooting people who regulary put it on the line, and will stand and fight and can shoot back at us :o Nooooo you say! Yes indeed our enemies shoot back. :s

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So your 723 man alliance killed more than our 25 man corp?

Does that seriously surprise you?

You killed 118 battleships while we killed 114. Now, considering you have 28 times as many players as we do, thats pretty poor.

Furthermore, we lost 2 battleships, while you lost 45.

So what kind of twisted mathematics are your applying to come up with this drivel about having more impressive stats than us?

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Yup the flaming is coming from those who are "away" or "on vacation" or something like that. Its funny how IRON are down south while fix raiding parties are up north. Someone needs to tell Monorail to go back south, thats where all the really pvp'ers are 8). Anyways the FIX and IRON war began 2-3 days after we arrived in Deklein. D2 and ISS war didnt start until almost a week after we arrived. Our pos is up and running strong still, someone try to take it already we want Dreadnaught kills 8). Anyways I know that IRON are bitter we are up here killed their support lines and supposed leeching members, man I would hate my alliance if I was in one like that.... oh wait I was, its the same thing as AXE. someone said D2 or IRON were some large alliances.... not sure if that is true but if they are Im sure they could stop smacking us and send a small 200 man gang to deal with the 8 hostiles. But I understand if 200 isnt enough and you need all of your thousands to attack us. Anyhow we will be here a few more days at least, so put-up or shut up. We are here waiting for you so back your words up.

WildCat

FLA great fights guys.

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Originally by: DHB WildCat

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Have fun down south, mind if I watch your TV and drink your BEER while you are gone, Im inviting some friends over too.

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Originally by: Chuck Dawg

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Edited by: Chuck Dawg on 09/01/2007 18:04:40
Man I love it. Honestly I do. Its hilarious to watch Shin Ra get on here and reply to 15 messages at a time and act all high and mighty.

Can I ask you an honest question? When was the last time you saw the Sun? I mean come the **** on, this game can not mean THAT much to you. So much that you forge Kill Mails and edit screenshots with photoshop? That's truly just sad.

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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In my eyes you were trying to justify flaming a portion of the entire m0o career by focusing only near the end. I didn't see how you could blame me for doing the same to you. I understand your points, and I'll just agree to disagree. Ego's and such are had things to argue with.

P.S. how did Masta Killa get in my sig!?

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Originally by: FotoFlame

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Enjoy it while it lasts, we'll be home soon.

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Originally by: Shin Ra

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Originally by: Shinoobie

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With all due respect Triumvirate have far more balls that UDIE will ever have.

Reasons

They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They fight PvPers
They don't declare was on someone who is not home.

Of the stats that got posted. Make of it what you will. IRON's stats for that same period are a lot more impressive, and no were not shooting carebears. Were shooting people who regulary put it on the line, and will stand and fight and can shoot back at us :o Nooooo you say! Yes indeed our enemies shoot back. :s

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So your 723 man alliance killed more than our 25 man corp?

Does that seriously surprise you?

You killed 118 battleships while we killed 114. Now, considering you have 28 times as many players as we do, thats pretty poor.

Furthermore, we lost 2 battleships, while you lost 45.

So what kind of twisted mathematics are your applying to come up with this drivel about having more impressive stats than us?

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan

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In my eyes you were trying to justify flaming a portion of the entire m0o career by focusing only near the end. I didn't see how you could blame me for doing the same to you. I understand your points, and I'll just agree to disagree. Ego's and such are had things to argue with.

P.S. how did Masta Killa get in my sig!?

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Oh the irony of a bob member talking about egos.

Ps. Reported for a personal attack.

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Originally by: Egne Ver

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Then TRI æs we are uber
Triumvirate war decs FLA to get easy kills
Triumvirate war dec D2 only after making sure the D2 fleet is otherwise occupied
Triumvirate will probably war dec my 5 man corp to help their bruised egos, since they need to beat up on children to feel good about themselves.

BE uses tactics nobody likes
TRI are weak *****es that pick on weaker groups to feel good about being so weak.

Oh and if the ôweak are consumed by the strongö BS was true your neighbors would have put an apple in your mouth and roasted you long ago.

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Wow.. sounds like someone is REAAAAALLLY bitter.
Just for the record, not everyone that pods you is an evil monster. Some people PvP for the fun of it.
And I am pretty sure BE care a lot about the fact that you don't like "their tactics", but the use of dampeners and jammers is a no brainer and the fact that they don't risk their ships like idiots doesn't make them evil either. You need a lot of discipline to pull stats like they do. And that is something most actually respect. BE are not using exclusive tactics, they are just disciplined enough to not risk their ships if they know they loose them.

The weak are consumed by the strong is true. The problem is that apparently your definition of weak is a different one.
If you hold space you become weak unless you can defend it easy. If you don't hold space (have no pos or anything) then you are automatically stronger, because you are harder to hurt.
It is almost impossible to really hurt an entity that doesn't claim anything you could take from them, and acts reasonably smart, and that is what makes them strong.

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Originally by: Egne Ver

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Then TRI æs we are uber
Triumvirate war decs FLA to get easy kills
Triumvirate war dec D2 only after making sure the D2 fleet is otherwise occupied
Triumvirate will probably war dec my 5 man corp to help their bruised egos, since they need to beat up on children to feel good about themselves.

BE uses tactics nobody likes
TRI are weak *****es that pick on weaker groups to feel good about being so weak.

Oh and if the ôweak are consumed by the strongö BS was true your neighbors would have put an apple in your mouth and roasted you long ago.

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Wow.. sounds like someone is REAAAAALLLY bitter.
Just for the record, not everyone that pods you is an evil monster. Some people PvP for the fun of it.
And I am pretty sure BE care a lot about the fact that you don't like "their tactics", but the use of dampeners and jammers is a no brainer and the fact that they don't risk their ships like idiots doesn't make them evil either. You need a lot of discipline to pull stats like they do. And that is something most actually respect. BE are not using exclusive tactics, they are just disciplined enough to not risk their ships if they know they loose them.

The weak are consumed by the strong is true. The problem is that apparently your definition of weak is a different one.
If you hold space you become weak unless you can defend it easy. If you don't hold space (have no pos or anything) then you are automatically stronger, because you are harder to hurt.
It is almost impossible to really hurt an entity that doesn't claim anything you could take from them, and acts reasonably smart, and that is what makes them strong.

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Originally by: taylor04

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oh its nice to see you remember killing! you see i cant remeber all ive killed due to the great amount but hey..... i got my vaga bk through the gate not letting me jump and i did wait about 15 secs =o.....

just come fight us m8 then we will see who has the bragging rights

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Originally by: Kaeten

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I thin kyou misread his post. His post wasn't posting facts, it was posting that they fight people who fight back. Making it harder to kill them, and easeir to die as they get shot at. I hope you can read his post again and reply respectfully to his post.

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Originally by: Patch86

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Do you know what really makes me giggle about this thread?

Largely, its BE vs. FLA, this thing atm. BE have said "GFs FLA, you've got guts, lets keep the fights a flowin'". FLA have said "GF's BE, its great fun fighting an enemy with the brass ones to fight proper battles, when they crop up". In other words, we're being quite nice to each other

All the flaming and such in this thread seems to be coming from people who arn't even up here

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