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Captin ShadowHawk Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:41:00 - [1] Which ship has the edge in pvp?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:43:00 - [2] 1v1, I'd say the Myrm if both ships are piloted by pilots of equal skills. A nosmyrm can suck the Drake dry while dampening it so it can't fight back with its missiles. FOR THE EMPEROR! The Fifth NtV (Noob to Vet) Lottery
Justice Bringer Minmatar United Univers	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:50:00 - [3] I'd go for the Myrmidon, but pilots with good skills in either sets of weapons could fight to a stand still. Brutix would pawn both of them though Justice
Kunming Amarr Outcasts	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus 1v1, I'd say the Myrm if both ships are piloted by pilots of equal skills. A nosmyrm can suck the Drake dry while dampening it so it can't fight back with its missiles. Passive shield tank? FoF? FoF tend to go for the drones first so the myrm is gonna be weaponless unless he gets into close range to scoop/re-launch drones, at which point the damps will be useless. Both ships are very powerful and only setups/counter-setups will work out the outcome of this one.. its definetly not one sided! Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
LordZer00 Caldari Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:49:00 - [5] If its actually a 1 vs 1 then chances are the Drake can't be running passive. A passive tank that, in general, will stand up to the damage the Myrm is putting out won't allow for web\scram and thus, even if you kill the drones you can't stop the Myrm from leaving any time it wishes. So kinda comes down to it being situational. If its under real pvp conditions, I'd say the Myrm.
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:05:00 - [6] It depends on the fittings. If the Myrm doesn't use 5 Nos or uses Heavy Drones and that Drake pilot has any clues what he's doing the Drake would own that Myrmidon. If the Myrmidon pilot would use blasters and medium drones (and as a result less Nos), it'd be a more interesting fight. I can think of Drake setups that would wipe the floor with a Myrmidon, but there's also plenty situations where the Drake would go down. For generic PvP I'd rate a Myrmidon over a Drake simply because of the versatility. A Drake is predictable and predictable ships are easy to deal with. Pitting them against eachother, I wouldn't put my money on either :-) Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Mathias Orsen Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:57:00 - [7] if both pilots know how to use thier ship.... the myrmidon will win every time. I got my alt, wich is pure caldari trained, a drake. Spent almost 2 days trying to get the drake to stand even close to my myrmidon. Tried both active and passive tanks, medium boosters, and large booster (Pith B-type even). Result ended up being.. Drake could tank the myrmidon till cap died, but didn't do enough damage to break the myrmidon's. That or the Drake did enough damage that the myrmidon noticed it, but the tank would not hold good enough where the myrm's tank still held up enough to need no worries. Bottom line.. Myrmidon is strong in both damage and tank. The Drake can only be strong in one of these. Then the stong point of the drake is not quite strong enough. Some people might dis-agree, but I'll put my money where my mouth is on that one. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.08 07:23:00 - [8] myrmidon = mini nos domi. It shouldn't have any problems with a drake. Just launch rescoop drones as long as you have to, and if you have damps, it'll take him ages to lock him. FoF go for different drones every time, with decent drone skills, the drones will hardly notice it. (FoF damage is 1/2 also.) All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.08 09:33:00 - [9] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 08/01/2007 09:30:20 DELETED, wtf was I thinking. For some reason I read "drake" as "hurricane" It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:02:00 - [10] Being a drake pilot myself, I've been in the situation where I've had no cap on a passive tank yet could still do enough damage to make the (domi) warp out but if I was damped as well I'd think I'd have a very hard time to get out of that situation. Nos & Damp is probably a drakes worst nightmare, due to the fact if you lose your cap on a active tank your stuffed, and on a passive you lose your invul fields leaving you with less resistance and also no means to MWD out (if you setup like that). Out damaging is your only get out as long as your passive tank will hold out but dampening is just the final blow as well as if you can't do that your totally fudged! ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!

Galen Silas Gallente Mean Corp	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux It depends on the fittings. If the Myrm doesn't use 5 Nos or uses Heavy Drones and that Drake pilot has any clues what he's doing the Drake would own that Myrmidon. If the Myrmidon pilot would use blasters and medium drones (and as a result less Nos), it'd be a more interesting fight. I can think of Drake setups that would wipe the floor with a Myrmidon, but there's also plenty situations where the Drake would go down. For generic PvP I'd rate a Myrmidon over a Drake simply because of the versatility. A Drake is predictable and predictable ships are easy to deal with. Pitting them against eachother, I wouldn't put my money on either :-) I haven't fought a drake yet that can beat my myrmidon setup, either on tranq or singularity, and i challenge one who thinks they can.
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Galen Silas I haven't fought a drake yet that can beat my myrmidon setup, either on tranq or singularity, and i challenge one who thinks they can. I could think of a way but it would be a specialised setup, not something I'd like to fly everyday (Oh and thats not a challenge ) ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
FireMonk Caldari black viper corp	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:58:00 - [13] Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. --------------------- Originally by: Benglada Theres two people in eve. People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING" And the people who say "Wow, That o
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:15:00 - [14] Originally by: FireMonk Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. Oh good point yeah even if I was dampened I'd be in range of the drones and then he wouldn't be doing enough dmg to break my tank ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: Galen Silas I haven't fought a drake yet that can beat my myrmidon setup, either on tranq or singularity, and i challenge one who thinks they can. I could think of a way but it would be a specialised setup, not something I'd like to fly everyday (Oh and thats not a challenge ) Hehe if we're going with specialized setups, I'm using Sentry drones with a nos/damp Myrm Seriously though, I use a more of a gank setup than most myrm pilots (1 med nos and the rest small blasters in my highs) and I've never had an issue breaking a Drake's tank with a target painter for dmg and a cap injector fitted to keep my dual reps running. I think the deciding factor is the Myrm pilot's drone abilities - T2 Ogres with Drone Interfacing 4 or 5 will make a huge difference over somebody with 2 levels of heavy drones and no/low DI skill.
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: FireMonk Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. Oh good point yeah even if I was dampened I'd be in range of the drones and then he wouldn't be doing enough dmg to break my tank Do they shoot your drones? .. .. .. Thought so. When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: FireMonk Honestly i would say the drake pilot would win but only if he is using a passive set-up. Then he could just wipe out all of the myrmidons drones with the missiles whether it was dampened or not. This would mean the myrm has suffered a huge damage reduction. But if the drake is active tanked then i would say the myrm would win. Oh good point yeah even if I was dampened I'd be in range of the drones and then he wouldn't be doing enough dmg to break my tank Do they shoot your drones? .. .. .. Thought so. When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. They try. I orbit at 500m due to using small blasters, so scooping/deploying drones is a non-issue for me.
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 16:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Zoe Sedai When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. They try. I orbit at 500m due to using small blasters, so scooping/deploying drones is a non-issue for me. If you orbit that close then I'll be laying the blows onto you as well then as you can't damp me that low, and at which point it becomes a close fight and you can't assure a 100% success, more like whos tanks will give up first ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Zoe Sedai on 08/01/2007 17:05:19 Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: Zoe Sedai When people catch up and finally start killing drones Myrm doesn't look so good anymore. They try. I orbit at 500m due to using small blasters, so scooping/deploying drones is a non-issue for me. If you orbit that close then I'll be laying the blows onto you as well then as you can't damp me that low, and at which point it becomes a close fight and you can't assure a 100% success, more like whos tanks will give up first I don't use damps (I think you got my comedy setup confused with my normal one)... I use 1 med nos with a rack of small nuetron blasters up top, the standard MWD/Web/Scram with a target painter and cap injector in my mids, and dual reps/a 1600 plate/3 hardeners in the lows. Like I said, it's not your normal Myrm setup but it works damn well.
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Zoe Sedai I don't use damps (I think you got my comedy setup with my normal one)... I use 1 med nos with a rack of small nuetron blasters up top, the standard MWD/Web/Scram with a target painter and cap injector in my mids, and dual reps/a 1600 plate/3 hardeners in the lows. Like I said, it's not your normal Myrm setup but it works damn well. Sounds like a beefed up thorax setup to me, and I fly the rax and know how tough that can be... so you having the added tank and more dmg output I'm sure you are a handful on the battlefield fair play to you ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!

Zoe Sedai	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Greyshadow Originally by: Zoe Sedai I don't use damps (I think you got my comedy setup with my normal one)... I use 1 med nos with a rack of small nuetron blasters up top, the standard MWD/Web/Scram with a target painter and cap injector in my mids, and dual reps/a 1600 plate/3 hardeners in the lows. Like I said, it's not your normal Myrm setup but it works damn well. Sounds like a beefed up thorax setup to me, and I fly the rax and know how tough that can be... so you having the added tank and more dmg output I'm sure you are a handful on the battlefield fair play to you That's actually what inspired the setup - and just like the Thorax, nos is the biggest threat to me
steveid Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:35:00 - [22] equal skilled pilots i dont think either pilot could break the others tank provided they both go passive and have a couple of nos'. If either goes active, he dies.
Amouder Dis	Posted - 2007.01.08 20:20:00 - [23] Originally by: steveid equal skilled pilots i dont think either pilot could break the others tank provided they both go passive and have a couple of nos'. If either goes active, he dies. huh? you CAN passive shield tank a myrm, but... i dont know why you would want to.
Sgt Blade Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:54:00 - [24] i find that testing with a old corp mate of mine that assuming i dont get into the mym's nos range i an kil it in my drake. once im webbed and nosed to death then id slowly die Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.09 09:40:00 - [25] So the crunch to this topic is... Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Myrmidon Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Nos) = Drake (if you take out the drones) Drake (Passive) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50 Drake (Active) vs Myrmidon (Dmg setup) = 50/50 Seems to be what I understand from comments so far. ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Mathias Orsen D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:45:00 - [26] at 500m combat... If the myrmidon can run it's tank, it can tank anything the drake puts at it. My myrmidon has no problem tanking HAMs supported by BCUs. Most cases against a decent pvp drake, two drakes are tankable if using Heavy missiles. Both using HAMs can bring the tank down slowly... then again, some myrmidons are tanked better than most. As for a passive tank being able to beat a nosf myrm... Passive tank is to weak to hold up against 5 ogre IIs. 5x Ogre I's with low drone skills would be tankable with easy though... but we can mention the drake pilot as one with next to no skills for shields also. Guess When It comes down to it... Drake VS Myrm when both pilots have max skills for the ship they are in..... Myrmidon wins. I'd put my drake on the card table for a dual that thinks otherwise. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Greyshadow Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Mathias Orsen As for a passive tank being able to beat a nosf myrm... Passive tank is to weak to hold up against 5 ogre IIs. 5x Ogre I's with low drone skills would be tankable with easy though... but we can mention the drake pilot as one with next to no skills for shields also. I'd put my drake on the card table for a dual that thinks otherwise. Hmmm I still think 'nos myrm' and 'pas drake' would be a good knock about, I agree if I didn't take care of your drones I'd be in trouble but I think you under-estimate a decent skilled passive tank. Don't get me wrong though I know what you Doom boys are like after flying with you lot when I was in TRI, your not one to talk rubbish. Think I need to do some testing ------ The Grim Reaper is out of the office at the moment leave a message and Greyshadow will get back to you!
Kruel Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:14:00 - [28] In most cases I'd put my money on the Myrm, but if the Drake pilot used FOFs, he might be able to take out the drones, and then the Myrm wouldn't have a chance.
Mathias Orsen D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Kruel In most cases I'd put my money on the Myrm, but if the Drake pilot used FOFs, he might be able to take out the drones, and then the Myrm wouldn't have a chance. natural shield recharge on drones would cover for the minor damage that FoF would do.. little exageration, but not much. those missiles will go to different drones. More than useless actually. Best bet is to target a drone and hit it with 7 launchers of HAM's. You should hit the drones armor with one salvo. Scoop and deploy tactics will make it take some time to kill the drones, but it's possable with a little luck. the whole thing is though... FoF are the last thing you want to use against 6 targets... -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Mathias Orsen D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Kruel In most cases I'd put my money on the Myrm, but if the Drake pilot used FOFs, he might be able to take out the drones, and then the Myrm wouldn't have a chance. natural shield recharge on drones would cover for the minor damage that FoF would do.. little exageration, but not much. those missiles will go to different drones. More than useless actually. Best bet is to target a drone and hit it with 7 launchers of HAM's. You should hit the drones armor with one salvo. Scoop and deploy tactics will make it take some time to kill the drones, but it's possable with a little luck. the whole thing is though... FoF are the last thing you want to use against 6 targets... -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"



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